World Championships 2024 Zürich ***SPOILERS***
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With all due respect to him - riding with pog from 80km out when you're already on the limit until he decides to drop you is only going to end one way, and that's not the podium. I admire his confidence if that was the plan though.
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That's really good. Wish he did more cycling stuff, he clearly gives a shit. William Fotheringham was good on The Guardian, but it's mostly Jeremy Whittle now, and he just seems to be invested in doping chat and how unlikeable Vingegaard is (no, I won't let him off the hook for that!)
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As I said yesterday, there's not really an incentive to ride as a nation at the Worlds with the reward being another trade team have the rainbow jersey the following season.
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And yet plenty of national teams do ride as a team.
FWIW I think Sivakov was probably just chancing his luck with Alaphilippe out. He didn't really do much work while he was with Pog
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Yes, he has improved greatly as a writer. He has cut the smug/glib approach he took in his early career and now seems much more invested in the topics he writes about, as you suggest.
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I'm not saying it never works and Slovenia were obviously all in for Pog. It also helps if there are some trade teammates in the national team. But the Dutch had 3 VLAB and 3 Lidl Trek in their squad and only one Alpecin rider other than MVDP. It sounds like Pog allowed Sivakov to join him with the idea presumably being that he would give him some help.
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I honestly think Pog was just hoping any of the others from the break might think a silver was possible with a bit of work and that he was more or less trying to force a selection rather than ride off alone at that point. That it was a trade teammate was surely a bonus. Shortly after he first joined the group he rode off the front when nobody would work with him, then let himself get caught again, so he'd given them the message that if was work or get dropped already
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I think he had a bit of a case of "Barney Ronay Envy" in his younger days, but he's found his own voice now. Cricket is his first love, I think.
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Some interesting snippets from The Cycling Podcast review of the race. Larry Warbasse, who was visible just before Pogacar attacked, said he saw Quinn Simmons ahead but had no idea that Pogacar was up the road, and didn’t believe the US team staff when they told him afterwards.
Everyone assumed Tratnik was told by the team to wait, but apparently someone on one of the race motos told him, so he sat up and waited.
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Latvia not happy with the MvdP pavement riding - or the UCI commissaires. Skujins was beaten to the bronze by him
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Would you want a bronze medal that was obtained by your federation getting another rider disqualified who had beaten you in a fair sprint.
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Probably.
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Thread called it as a "should have been" dq at the time.
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The Dutch tried and failed at the women's Olympic MTB race; Batten went through the pits without taking a bottle, and was fined for doing so....Probably should have been a DSQ....
All Road/ Gravel: tbcWinter: tbcMTB: tbcRoad: tbc"Look at the time...." "he's fallen like an old lady on a cruise ship..."0 -
It was exactly what the "no riding on the pavement" rule was brought in to prevent.
- It put him right up alongside spectators who were safely keeping off the course itself
- There was no possible doubt as to what was course and what was pavement
- He did it for position, moving up, not to avoid a crash
I think a few cases have been ignored, but these have either been where no spectators were near or where the rider couldn't really have done much else. This was absolutely blatant, and bloody stupid.
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Not really no ..that said MvdP move was sketchy for endangering the public imo though I think MvdP had factored the guy on the pavement making the move and was pretty safe .....but where do you draw the line ...he wasn't trying to avoid an accident or anything
"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
I must say crashes with spectators were and are pretty rare .
"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
Obvious retort. 😉
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.1 -
That's the point ...they are memorable because they are few ... Guerini on alpe de huez ...
Career defining crashes have increased and crash deaths ....I'm.not sure why there is more deaths ...the training ride crashes have gone up and that's easy to imagine as a function of motor vehicle density across the world.
"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
That's my take ...french riders had a free hand once alaphilippe was out
"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
I've been an swimming official for several years now and with that experience, the concept of appealing to get another competitor DQd after extensive trawling of video evidence is not a type of conduct to be encouraged. It undermines the authority of the officials, and things will end up like cricket where the Umpire is now little more than a mobile advertising hoarding and someone to hold the bowler's sweater.
If it is to be permitted, then there should be a very short time window for an appeal to be lodged e.g. 15 minutes. If teams don't see an "offence" in real time to allow such a timescale to be observed then it's unreasonable to expect the officials to see it either.
Appeals against DQs should always be permitted though, as an incorrect DQ should not be allowed to stand.
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Hardly extensive trawling of video evidence required. https://forum.bikeradar.com/discussion/comment/21099115/#Comment_21099115
Seems like a reasonable question for them to ask immediately after the finish, and reasonable for them now to ask for an explanation. That letter does not ask for him now to be dq after the event.
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Maybe not, but one of the elements of my observation is the reasonableness of allowing protestors the benefit of more time and any more information than is available to the officials. A letter well "after the fact" hardly suggests the rider's team were particularly "on the ball", particularly given that Forumites saw it in real time. (Caveat - very different being an "armchair" official (*) where one isn't dealing with all the other stuff that needs to be dealt with managing riders in a race.) Though maybe if there was a formal protest mechanism with defined timescales, they'd have complied with that.
Anyway, I'm likely biased, as being an official, I potentially place a higher value than many on "playing to the whistle".
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If they had disqualified him at the time, it would have ended pavement riding for good. On that basis it's a shame they didn't.
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Have you read the letter?
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There was that one in one of the Belgian classics where a spectator got hit literally out of his shoes. Can't remember the details but must have been getting on for 10 years ago.
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This instance shouldn't have needed an appeal. The commisaires should have just done their job, as KG said it was picked up straight away on here by several people and it's why the rule is there. I'm a big fan of MVDP but it's unacceptable riding and deserved an immediate DQ. The riders get up in arms, often justifiably, about their safety not being taken seriously but then do things to jeopardise their own safety and that of others.
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I remember when the TdF came through Yorkshire and a lot of Spectators were getting far too close and trying to take selfies as the peloton rode past. Some riders resorted to grabbing phones out of people's hands and lobbing them away.
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I get that. My point was related to the situation where the officials miss something. Obviously this happens as officials are only human.
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Don't think they're that uncommon as it goes. Seem to remember several spectators that have been hurt (hospitalised even) the last few seasons. Generally we don't hear much about them afterwards because if it ends their career in accountancy/marketing/whatever that's not news and we're not all waiting around to see which race will be their first back as a spectator....
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