2024 Election thread
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Doesn't less on social welfare just increase the medical bills though?
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the nhs is not a 'socialist' system
thatcher's government inflicted the 'internal markets' system on the nhs, creating huge amounts of red-tape, high-costs, fragmentation and unproductive management overheads
it's a bastard hybrid of the usa's system combined with tax-payer funding, capitalism done the wrong way
rip out the internal market dead weight, integrate rather than silo, focus on health outcomes, not a failed ideology
it'll take time, but if it's not done the nhs will continue to produce ever poorer outcomes for ever more money
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Depends if you are talking about the welfare state as a whole, or specifically about the social care part of it. Because the latter is, as far as I've read, the big bottle neck.
More preventative healthcare is another thing you might postulate from the US coparison. And/or public health policies, which USAians might find too intrusive. Its the difference between life expectancy vs. healthy life expectancy.
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Did you see the word 'just' in my email above?
Also, given that over a long period of time spending on the NHS has gone up and up but problems still persist, do you not think that gives you a clue?
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
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I know old people need more healthcare. And?
Also what about high immigration levels? Surely that has an impact too?
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Yes, half of the staff are immigrants
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The point is about how it affects NHS spending, but I'm sure you knew that.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
I think both social care and the welfare state as a whole. More social care would free up beds, but in general I think there's a pretty strong correlation between poverty and poor health, so long term higher welfare spending should presumably mean lower healthcare costs. Although I guess conditions like Alzheimer's can be a bit of a lottery.
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Most immigrants are here to work, so I don't think that has an impact on funding in the way you think it does.
Britain is not the costa del sol.
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(In many situations )They also have to pay a surcharge too.
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At this rate I'm looking forward to seeing the Tory complaints about fptp.
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How do you think it affects NHS spending? You only get to use it for free if you have indefinite leave to remain or are already British. In 2023 119,000 were granted ILR. Everyone else has to pay a surcharge. There are nearly 3 million British citizens on long term sick leave.
1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
Yesbut boats (or something).
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Just need a swing of 2 more from Tory to Lib Dem now.
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This one has Sunak, Truss, Braverman and Farage all losing, so anything more would be greedy.
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More people to treat = more cost.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Is anyone notable winning?
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More taxpayers = more budget
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You clearly know the sum is not that simple
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But surely immigrants = bad, Labour = bad, tax = bad, Tories = good.
Isn't it that simple?
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There's an awful lot that are "too close to call", but they've gone with the most likely winner for those.
There's a grand total of 4 seats that are "lean conservative" which is the most confident call for any Conservative win. They are Beaconsfield, Dorset Mid, East Grinstead and Maidenhead.
There are 256 "strong Labour", and another 99 "likely labour".
Basically the size of the landslide is still up for grabs, it could be very big, or could be even bigger.
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There's a non-zero probability that the DUP's cooperation will be required so the Conservative Party can form the official opposition
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
But yes, if it comes to pass, Badenoch would almost definitely be the next leader.
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What if the Tory strategy of warning people against a Labour supermajority is having the unintended consequence of encouraging the electorate to batter them harder.
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
Domic Raabs constituency, nice, wealthy stockbroker belt. If the police are under resourced there, the rest of us don't stand much of a chance.
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Just for giggles. Entirely possible. I suspect that the Labour social media team won't be unaware of that possible dynamic.
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