2024 Election thread
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I still can’t believe he’s only 60. Maybe other people found his face as slappable as I do but unlike me got their opportunity.
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It’s almost like older people have children and grandchildren they want the best for. Who’d have thought?
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Booze and fags. They should put his face on the packs as a warning label.
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So the dream is Farage loses the seat he’s standing in but leads to enough people switching from Tories to Reform that they lose seats. Clayton has a bit of history having been UKIP for several elections.
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Experienced barrister v Sunak in a live debate can only go one way surely? I suspect lots of falling back on phrases using the word plan instead of any attempt to answer questions
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It'll be unwatchable as Sunak will be both content-free and condescending. I think I'd watch if it were Truss, just for the comedy value.
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India seems to be giving a warning that election results don’t always reflect polling.
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What's a unquestioning Team Tory cheerleader and devoted Telegraph disciple to do when it falls in for Reform?
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I predict cryptic comments about the growing menace of the left.
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Is Farage not someone who will wilt in bright sunshine? He's banging on about getting lots British people back into work to fill unskilled worker roles.
Is there at least a non-zero possibility that his voter base will twig he are talking about them?
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The kind of people who could vote for Farage don't give a shit about "sunshine".
They want the UK rid of as many brown people as they can get away with, let's be honest. Let's not pretend he's much more than a Wilders type, just with a culture that means he needs to conceal it more.
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As much as I hate to admit it, Starmer's neutering of the Brexit issue (at least for now) has effectively taken the EU off the Tories' target list, though there are still The Blob, Wokies and other imaginary enemies to blame for everything the Tories have failed at (which is pretty much everything).
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I suppose I'm not quite tuned in to what constitutes the Reform "base".
I'd have thought white, lower middle or working class, average 4 or more children, been working since age 16 (less the preceding 25 years when they developed a bad back and a florid complexion that prevents them from working now)?
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It would be helpful to neuter Farage if they discussed Brexit....
Literally the only policy he's been directly involved with.
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They won't unravel their "Don't Mention Brexit!" just to get Farage. That said, they can stick to their line of improving the relationship with the EU incrementally and technically "to undo some of the unnecessary damage" caused by Farage's raison d'être. I suspect that Starmer is smart enough to know he has to play the long game and not be diverted by a local skirmish.
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No, you're right, they won't.
I do think 1992 is so ingrained in Labour they're making a mistake. This election is won. They could be a bit braver and set out their agenda and lay the groundwork for actually being able to do something.
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That's delusional. It wouldn't help neuter him. He's had nothing to do with the actual implementation, and he's already saying that the Brexit voters have been betrayed by the amount of immigration since Brexit.
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What would help neuter him is asking about some of their policies other than immigration and Brexit.
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Perhaps they could, but they won't. Tories unable to land any punches as things stand, and flailing around looking for attack lines, as they haven't got any positive record or plans of their own. Labour can just sit back, in effect. I'd expect them to have bigger published ideas/plans for a second term, once they've built up trust.
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He couldn't even coherently articulate his immigration policy this morning. He was somehow going to continue to allow the skilled immigration we need whilst also reducing net migration to zero. I guess that's the trouble when you have never had to worry about the practicalities of implementation.
1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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I agree they've gone further than they needed to - apparently nobody is going to have to pay more (except the very rich), and all services are going to suddenly be properly funded. And there's going to be lower immigration.
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Possibly. He doesn't debate in good faith, even more so than other politicians. I think what would help neuter him is pointing out that he's not really the outsider he presents himself as, but a long term politician who hasn't been in the real world of work for decades.
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I was wrong about Farage standing so I should probably avoid any further predictions, but as I am not inclined to sit on the fence, I don't think Farage will win. There is a reason he has lost so many times previously, people who are so inclined, do like him, but the majority of them wouldn't necessarily trust him to run anything.
They have also extended the Clacton boundary quite considerably, will be interesting how this may effect voting.
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I think someone needs to do an analysis of when Nigel Farage last actually bought a round of drinks. Could be a useful metaphor.
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But will they break the commitments on public services, or taxes?
Someone should ask them what they are planning to do with the pension tax free lump sum on retirement.
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I think they will have to break the commitment on taxes. I can't see any other way of handling it.
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