Today's discussion about the news
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They could have agreed to accept an infinite number, it wouldn't have made any practical difference.
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TBH, I don't know why the youth of today don't just buy £80k 4 bed houses in Rwanda and just commute to their jobs in the UK. https://www.houseinrwanda.com/property/sale/house/kigali-sale-kanombe-nyarugunga
It's their stupid financial choice to want to stay in the UK.
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What is not easy reading is seeing someone say they think the Rwanda bill represents the Tories' "immigration plan".
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It's weird how the genuine issues associated with population increase (housing, education etc.) affect younger people, disproportianately, for the worse yet it is older people that seem more opposed. Meanwhile, without the immigrant labour the services older people are going to be more reliant on are going to start struggling more. Having an ageing population is the bigger problem and makes immigration necessary.
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Seriously? We could just double the population easily? Yet you say we can't build enough homes for the population as it is. Where are the extra 20 millions homes suddenly going to appear from, and where and how will they be built? Even over a 10-20 year time horizon.
Get real.
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Right, now we're getting somewhere.
Let's get building, as these retired lot deserve decent end of care, without obliterating the opportunities of the younger generations. Immigration is a big part of that.
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There you go, counter proof:
Or alternatively take any opinion piece with the pinch of salt they are intended to be read with, especially those in the Telegraph for the last few years, and anything with the source as the IEA or Lettuce Tank with a bucketful.
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Stevo asked what the limit was. He didn't specify, but the phrasing implied an absolute limit. I didn't say anything about timescales or ease of transition. Clearly a doubling of the population would require decades of building and other significant changes but it's also clearly possible. Our own population went up five-fold in 200 years. I just picked some examples from the Wikipedia list of countries by population density. All these do is illustrate that a much larger population is possible. I've not been to Jersey or Guernsey but you don't hear people complaining that they are hopelessly overcrowded and yet they have 3.5 times the population density of the UK.
1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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Well, the Australians do like putting an 'o' on the end of a name 🤔
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Read my posts above about deterrence, which seems to be working.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Reading them again won't make you right. Also a different subject.
1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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Just on this, every graph and graphic from the UN refers to “fertility rates” nog birth rates, fyi.
eg.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(24)00550-6/fulltext
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If you use deterrent to mean policy that leads to a 28% increase in boat crossings. Then he's right.
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There are 93,000 people who have arrived since the law changed to say they can't be processed for an asylum claim in the UK because of how they arrived. There is space for maybe 1,000 agreed with Rwanda over 5 years. What's the plan here?
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Newsnight debunking the Ireland story as we speak. Turns out the 80% of applicants coming from NI figure was 'not data-based', or pulled out of the air.
Irish correspondent making the argument that they are not worried about refoulement risk in returning applicants to UK because they don't think any significant number will ever be deported there.
1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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As of February, the UK had paid £220m to Rwanda's Economic Transformation and Integration Fund (ETIF) as part of the deal, with a further £150m of payments scheduled by 2026.
Additional payments of £20,000 would then be paid into the fund per person relocated, with a further £120m paid once 300 people have been relocated.
And to cover asylum processing and operational costs, The Home Office would also pay a total of £151,000 per individual relocated.
If Rwanda were to take in 1,000 asylum seekers over five years as planned, this brings the bill to an estimated £661m
If this latest series of announcements and (somewhat) carefully worded newspaper stories works even slightly for today's elections, they need to call a general election asap.
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All of a sudden, after challenging an Israeli spokesman, Sangita Myska is out of a job. LBC haven't explained why.
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Oh dear, that's a pity. I thought that "the plan is working"...
Anyway, I'm sure that ensuring more trade friction with the EU will help.
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Still at least the LSE's position is unassailable.
Oh.
London has been hit by a dearth of listings and a string of exits in recent months, as companies are taken over or opt to move to healthier exchanges in the US or Europe. The London Stock Exchange is currently shrinking at its fastest pace in history, Goldman Sachs said last week.
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Ot would be nice if it was lower but in reality that isn't going to happen unless you work out how to go back in time. Wouldn't help if I said I don't want to go any higher?
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
It's just getting started. But also if you read then links you'll see that more are passing through to go say, Ireland as they don't fancy being sent to Rwanda.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
See my reply above. You seem to be deterring yourself from understanding the point.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
700 came over yesterday, more than the total number we've agreed to send to Rwanda.
I really don't think the deterrence is working that well. I do think the Telegraph is telling you comforting news though.
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If you are going to start randomly replying to posts from two days ago this is going to get really confusing. The only people this is aimed at is former Conservative voters who are considering voting for Reform. I guess there's your deterrence. The policy has been signposted for the last two years so hardly just getting going. Interviews with people in France and those already in the asylum system confirm that the tiny risk of being deported to Rwanda has no discernible deterrent effect. Numbers of crossings over the last two years back this up. Kid yourself that there's a plan to reduce immigration if it makes you feel better. Too many people stand to lose too much for that to be the reality.
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Pinnacle Monzonite
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But it does distract from Brian’s posts ⬆️
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Sometimes the volume of centreleftiebollox posts makes it hard to reply to everything so was just playing catch up 🙂
It will be very interesting to see how many of our esteemed European partners follow similar routes. There is a dawning realsation that they need to do something about it and so far the EU has hardly been a model of success in deterring immigration.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]1 -
Don’t forget that some of our esteemed European partners were said to be looking to follow our lead in leaving the EU but that seems to have gone quiet when they’ve seen the mess it has created here. I suspect if they are looking at copying the Rwanda scheme a review in a year or so will make them realise it is a costly folly that has little to no impact on immigration rates.
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Clearly the EU did it's best to dissuade others from leaving by trying to give us a hard time. But this is different as the issues are similar for many countries.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0
