Today's discussion about the news
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There have been more crossings this year than last. Maybe it's not me struggling with the concept of deterrence.
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The significantly more likely scenario of drowning hasn't acted as a deterrent, so why would Rwanda?
And the deterrent idea always assumes people trying to make the crossing actually know about it, and even if they did, that the criminal gang trafficking them wouldn't give them some worthless assurance that it could never happen to them.
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An interesting but sad read.
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So he arrived in early 2022, and has not had his case looked at yet.
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Whitehall civil servants are more likely to end up in Rwanda. The PopCons wish.
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I think the slogan was 'Stop the boats'. There are now more boats than before. Not sure who is being deterred from what.
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There could be relatively fewer boats. In any case, the Tories are just trying to copy Australia.
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From the Telegraph article, one of the asylum seekers overstayed on a tourist visa. That's not illegal entry - would they even have been part of the Rwanda scheme?
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How so? Politicians were elected with policies to stop boats.
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Can't remember any stop the boats rhetoric in the last GE
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That's true but the Tories want to use it for the upcoming election.
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^^^^ I'm not sure that shows what you think it does. ^^^^
150 kms isn't that big an ocean.
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Not enough on its own to stop them trying it. Rowing maybe, but not motorised.
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Australia had around 20k people arriving by boat each year. The UK has something like 45k. The Tories admire the way Australia stopped it. Distance is really irrelevant.
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Me? Yes. I just don't know what that has to do with all the people that arrived by boat in Australia which led to a campaign to stop the boats.
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Because it's several orders of magnitude harder to cross one than the other.
Which has a big impact on the ability to "stop the boats" or otherwise.
And that's before you take in the political situation between Australia, Indonesia and Papua New Guinea and the kind of people who are seeking refuge or asylum in that part of the world and the situation between France and Britain.
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Yes. In tropical storm to boot. Not sure how that's relevant.
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Lots of people crossed to Australia in a boat. This ended when Australia changed the way they treated arrivals. There really isn't anything more to it than.
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Good start. So come up with a finite one that takes into account quality of life for the people who live here.
Btw not sure that Bangladesh is a great example to be holding up as an example of high density, high quality living.
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I mean, I said there wasn't a realistic limit, so I don't know why you want to bounce me into a figure?
You seem to think there is a limit, so why don't you justify what that limit is?
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One assumes there's some guy in Australia wanging on about there not being enough space.
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For a start, there is no point in growing the population faster than we can build the housing, schools, hospital capacity, other infrastructured needs to accommodate the increased population.
As you keep on stating, there are insufficient homes already, so until that situation can be addressed, surely the increases in population need to be controlled to some degree.
The EU workers pre-brexit did seem to be less of a strain on the system than those coming from much further away though.
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And you are trying to do exactly the same back. I think our population is high enough already.
Your reluctance to answer speaks volumes.
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This will not make easy reading for some...
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More people = higher house prices, so surely Rick should be taking the opposite view from what he is currently?
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Just looking at other comparable countries you can see that we could easily double the population.
Top trivia, Rwanda has roughly double the population density of the UK (slightly higher than South Korea, but well below Jersey and Guernsey). No wonder they've only agreed to accept 5700 people.
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