Drugs in other sports and the media.
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His earlier jump that day is also the third longest of all time too.
He also has six jump in the (joint) top 10 jumps of all time.
I think he also hold the record for the longest jump that was disqualified for wind assistance.
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Flo-Jo's was likely not within the rules. The meter read 0.0. Most people think it wasn't working.
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Adam Peaty is similar isn't he?
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He's like a fish out of water in the sandpit
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It was mainly the East Germans producing the unbelievable performances in the 70s and 80s. Tbh, it was different in those days as there was no out of competition testing, so avoiding testing positive was just about not turning up at championships still "glowing", which wasn't hard to manage. No-one attempted to hide the fact that the Eastern-bloc women looked like blokes.
At least nowadays, with out of competition testing, "whereabouts" and the biological passport there's a certain element of sophistication to avoiding testing positive. And whatever use the women may make of steroids, they don't look like blokes any more.
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He is, but is much more credible as he started logging such performances in his late teens / very early 20s. It's the mid-20s movers to world class status that are always suspicious.
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It really isn't. People's path into sport and and their progression after it are very different. Those who develop early do so largely because of opportunities locally and the dedication of their parents. As well has how early their body develops.
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Thing is, the Chinese have previous form here. 1994 World Swimming Champs were in Perth and one competitor from China was busted at immigration with a whole suitcase full of HGH, more than enough for the entire team, yet FINA only sent her and her coach home.
They ignored the rest - have a look for Le Jingye swimmer 1994 in Google and you just have to laugh that she was allowed to compete at all, let alone as a female.
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This is her. 😂
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Another piece on this in the Graun
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Mid-career improvement from "decent if unspectacular" to "world beating" is the biggest "red flag" there is in doping.
I think you're making the argument as to why the mid-late teen Terminator at domestic age group level won't necessarily develop into a world beater. And why the world beaters weren't always top juniors. Peaty didn't represent GB internationally until he was a senior, whilst an almost uncountable number of junior internationals never progress beyond that level.
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I didn't comment on the Chinese. I was just responding to RC's comment about 70s/80s dodgy Russian performances, to highlight it was mainly dodgy East German performances.
Though for reference, it was 1998 WCs in Perth with the suitcase of PEDs. The 1994 WCs were in Rome where the Chinese women sprang from nowhere to dominate, as their female distance runners had done the year before.
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and the Kenyan (Jelimo) was also thought to have a possible DSD situation.
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and regardless of the obvious doping signs (massive changes in physique and voice etc from 84 to 88), her WR 100 is a joke - set in the QF of the US OG trials, recorded with 0m/s tailwind. Someone apparently interfered or stood by the wind gauge.
In the mens final run around the same time on the same day (16/7/88), Carl Lewis clocked 9.78 (faster than the then mens WR) with +5.2m/s wind, and Willie Banks Triple Jumped the first ever 18m+ jump with 18.20 (also 5.2m/s).
The fact World Athletics haven't stripped the mark is ridiculous.
Bad quality footage but you can see the wind in this vid W 100m - Florence Griffith-Joyner - 10.49 - Indianapolis (USA) - 1988 - World Record (youtube.com)
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"...it was mainly dodgy East German performances." Mainly, and most obviously, but not exclusively.
I've heard it from the horse's mouth that some GB athletes were on the juice at the time.
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
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Carl Lewis has acknowledged that he failed three drugs tests in the run up to the 1988 OGs, and that the Powers That Be looked the other way, presumably for commercial reasons. He's not bothered though as the practice was common place at the time!
Lewis: 'Who cares I failed drug test?' | Athletics | The Guardian
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Can you provide clues re the GB athletes? I appreciate naming names might land you in legal hot water!
Re the East Germans, it is a matter of fact that they weren't the only ones doping, but if you had to come up with a concise proxy for the doping issue in that era it would be "East German female swimmers" albeit with a doff of the cap to Marita Koch and, just to prove you can't make sweeping generalisations, Jarmila Kratochvilova.
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Just showing that the moral high ground is a bit muddy. 😉
It might not be nice to speak badly of the deceased (team doctor) but here you go and I'm not naming names, I'll leave that to those that were there.
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
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Thanks!
Re the muddiness of the moral high ground, it's only around 25 years ago that the UK authorities were giving a free pass to those testing positive for Nandralone.
It's not even 20 years ago that Christine Ohorugu was selected for the 2007 WCs the day after her "Whereabouts" ban had expired. Not saying that this was wrong per se (though there are rumours she was given unofficial high level assistance with her training whilst banned, which isn't allowed). Just presenting it as an example of how the GB Powers That Be will use every inch of leeway to maximise advantages.
And of course, Richard Freeman's old laptop says "hello" from the bottom of whatever large body of water it accidentally fell into so conveniently...
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The most worrying things from that era were arguably some of the techniques rumoured to have been used by Eastern Bloc officials such as abortion doping. However, it still seems disputed whether that actually happened or was Western propaganda (and there is also doubt over whether it would really offer any physiological benefit).
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and a certain former BBC athletics commentator (from a while back) was allegedly the GB throws team's supplier in the late 70s / early 80s
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Wells was a relatively average Long-jumper until the mid-70s, then started focusing on sprints in his mid-20s and improved a lot over the next few years....
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Allan Wipper Wells had a really good middle name, so gets a pass from me.
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Just the BBC asking whether we should feel pity for convicted dopers.
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I was hoping that would be by Dan Roan. So, doping is bad until it those caught are high profile, high earning athletes losing income? Arguably they are the worst offenders as they've taken prize money and sponsorship away from those who aren't cheating.
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A couple of months before he set the WR of 18.29 in Gothenburg, he jumped 18.43 and 18.39, both only slightly over the legal wind limit. In the ‘96 Olympics I think he fouled a couple of jumps over 18m as well.
Unreal athlete that you’d be very surprised to find out was a doper.
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