Today's discussion about the news
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It's because the policeman had the la reveal magnifico. He said the bit everyone knew but wouldn't say out loud.
Sungod above is an example of the kid of shit Jews put up with.
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I never had you down as a wannabe Braverman. I'm aghast, TBH. No-one's saying Jews don't put up with shit, but you're using a really bad example (I still don't think you've taken in what happened in that whole exchange), and then compounding it by throwing accusations of antisemitism at forum members when they push back on your one-sided reasoning.
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What on earth are you on about.
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I'd offer you a spade RC but you seem to have it covered.
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He went to the protest to stir up trouble didn't he?
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FFS, play the Looney Tunes theme song... th' th' that's all folks...
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I don't Twitter so I can only see point 1.
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That depends. They may have family or friends there. Or they may not. A bit presumptuous to assume that because they are British they can't have a connection.
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Jews should not have to prove their independence from what the Israeli state does in the same way we as non Jews don’t need to show we are independent from Westminster
Despite what Sungod feels.
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I agree with you, however this is complicated by the narrative that criticism of the Israeli government is perceived as anti-semitism. As Brian Trumpet has pointed out upthread.
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Sure. I wouldn't presume to know their views. Nor should you presume to know all the protesters' views nor the police.
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This is true. However, he turned up to counter protest and didn't want to do so with the other counter protesters.
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The protester you talking about wants the protests banned. That's what he was protesting about.
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Matt on the ball again...
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The person in question was protesting about people protesting about Gaza. It seems reasonable to say he made it about Gaza surely?
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He’s trying to illustrate the problems Jews face. Which he did. By being “openly Jewish” he was risking an incident by just being there according to the rozza.
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Who brings religion into the counter protest?
Officer: [It’s a] big demonstration, an awful lot of people. I’ve been dealing with people all day saying can I get across.
Falter: Because I’m Jewish.
Officer: I can already see what your mindset is, sir.
Falter: My mindset? My mindset is that I’m Jewish in London.
The officer suggests Falter is being “disingenuous”.
Falter: I’m not being disingenuous. I can do whatever the hell I want. If I want to walk to that pavement [pointing across the road], that’s what I’m going to do, and you’re going to have to arrest me. [Falter then attempts to breach a police cordon.]
Officer: I’d rather not do that.
Falter: Well then do it. I want to get out of here, I want to get across there. [Falter starts pushing against the police.]
Officer: I’d rather not, sir. I’ll tell you what, come with me, let’s get you out of here … You’re going to have to go the long way.
Falter: Why can’t I just walk where I want to walk?
Officer: Because there is a big demonstration. I will walk you out and then you can go … You want to leave, I’m offering you a route out.
Falter: The Metropolitan police says these marches are completely safe for Jews, there is no problem whatsoever. You’re telling me I cannot walk to the other pavement, that I have to be escorted.
Officer: That way you will be completely safe just as we promised, so we’re keeping our word.
Falter: You’re saying basically if I have a police escort.
Officer: I’m offering it to you, sir. I’ve already seen you deliberately leave the pavement and walk against the march. You chose to do that.
Falter: To get to the other side of the road.
Officer: It is disingenuous whether you like it or not. I will quite happily walk you there.
[Falter again tries to push through the police cordon. An unidentified voice says: The next time you try to push forward, you’ll be arrested. The officer repeats the offer to escort him.]
Falter: You’re telling me that I antagonise the crowd, that I engage in behaviour that you think is dangerous because I walked out into the road … I can’t cross the road because I’m Jewish.
Officer: No.
Falter: If I take this [his kippah] off … will you let me cross the road?
Officer: No, sir, because I’d have to follow you.
Falter: But if you trusted me to keep [it] off?
Officer: Unfortunately, I’ve already witnessed your behaviour … We’re going round in circles … I know you want to choose your route but I’ve explained several times, it’s a very big demonstration. On this particular occasion, you can’t choose your route … I don’t know how many times I can say it.
Falter: There are people shouting baby-killer and all sorts of things …
Officer: Not while I’ve been here.
Falter: … and you’ve not done a single thing about it.
Officer: I’m very sorry sir, but you’ve engaged me in conversation.
Falter: I have not engaged you in conversation, you started shoving me. [This is not seen in the Sky video]
Falter walks a few steps away and speaks with another officer, who warns him he may be arrested. Falter turns back towards the police cordon and is gently restrained by a female officer. Demonstrators begin chanting “shame on you” and “Zionist scum”.
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So why were other Jews able to openly join the protestors with no risk? The only issue was he wanted to wind people up not that he was Jewish.
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We've been through this. Please read the exchange. The details are there.
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Because he was attempting to wind people up (by acting like a d1ck) and the police were attempting to stop him.
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Because he is deliberately trying to cause trouble. What level of arrogance does it take to think your lone voice is the voice of truth and everyone else is an apologist for anti-semitism?
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Blimey, if that's how he deals with people with whom he disagrees...
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He's not. He's illustrating the problems that an arrogant dick intent on provoking confrontation faces.
As said previously, this isn't to say that there isn't antisemitism to deal with, but you've picked a really bad totem as an example, but don't seem to be able to accept that criticism of Falter's antics is not antisemitic.
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I’m not defending the guy but he was proved right. lol. You can tell the difference, right?
I think it basically boils down why these protests are happening (hint, it’s not because there’s a humanitarian crisis or a genocide) and people aren’t grown up enough or are too naieve to admit the real reason.
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His whole point was if trouble is caused by his mere presence alone, he’s shown the problem.
That’s the point.
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