Today's discussion about the news
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As a counter protester he is subject to the law around protesting. Even if he says he was not counter protesting, his actions and statements imply that he was. Furthermore, a lot of laws around protesting come down to doing what the police tell you.
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Didn’t Tom Cruise do a film about that? 😉
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You criticise other people's reactions to this as being moronic, yet your position is that he should be allowed to walk through the march even though it is deliberately antagonistic and if anything happens the law breakers should all be arrested. Whilst acknowledging the police are short staffed and don't have the resources. Yes, of course it's other people that are the morons 🙄
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I look forward to the revision of the Rosa Parks story, where she's plainly angling for an an incident and what transpired proved her point.
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Somewhere in the process, he accidentally ended up back on the same side of the road he was trying to cross and had to make a second attempt.
I think in the circumstances, he probably should have accepted the offer of police help to cross the road, he is clearly incapable.
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Oh FFS.
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Pinnacle Monzonite
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Hahaha. Come on. You know it makes sense He's out to prove that just by being Jewish he's at risk and the rozzer confirms it.
that is the story here. Jews at at risk at these things. Which is mad.
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He walked into the oncoming crowd to prove a point and nothing happened as far as I'm aware.
The copper stopped him from doing it a second time.
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Wrong. No jews were threatened or at risk. Nobody going about their business was significantly inconvenienced.
The one who could have been at risk was prevented from deliberately putting himself in that position.
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But there wasn't any trouble, was there? Despite him walking in the road against the flow of the protest. Maybe the policeman was wrong in his assessment of the situation.
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If you walk for long enough against the flow of a protest, it might not be your religion that eventually gets you the shove you desperately crave.
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Clever manipulation of the news. It will be studied by 1st year media students for years to come.
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No, by being Jewish and trying to create trouble for himself based on that fact to get publicity and to get pro-Palestinian marches banned. He's using the pretext as much as any party. As pointed out to you several times, there were lots of other Jews around, some drawing attention to the fact within the march, who had no trouble at all.
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You sound awfully like someone who wants to see protest restricted.
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It’s like trying to prove roads aren’t safe for cycling by riding down a one way street the wrong way and moaning that the police have stopped you then someone suggesting the police should have stopped the cars instead.
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Slightly embarrassed that you are taken in by the stunt. It proves nothing of the sort. Pick any march on any subject and see if the police will let you directly confront the protestors with a filmed one-man counter-protest.
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No, that is not the story, that's the point you are choosing to take from it. You repeatedly ignore the fact there were Jewish people on the march, they were even more 'openly Jewish' as they were carrying banners stating the fact. But they weren't being deliberately antagonistic so weren't considered to be in danger. Being deliberately antagonistic is the problem, not being Jewish. You are just being obtuse for the sake of it now.
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I'm not particularly ignoring it. Ultimately I share the same scepticism of the interest in the pro-palestine marches as the chap making a scene. I guess if you are feeling cynical you could call it confirmation bias.
I think these pro-palestine protests are largely organised by antisemitic people who are delighted they have an opportunity to make life uncomfortable for Jews in the UK and that is actually the main objective of the protests.
He thinks the same and he's going out of his way to prove it, partly because he's a shit stirer, but he's also Jewish and I'm not.
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So you're essentially playing the Baddiel Gambit that it's impossible to protest against the actions of a genocidal regime without being anti-Semitic.
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I'd be more inclined to think you're right and I'm wrong if the level of opprobrium was shared with other actual genocidal regimes. Which is why I bring it up.
That Israel gets singled out, consistently, I think is because of antisemitism. The whole left wing/pro-palestine movement has deep antisemitic roots, and we occasionally see those links boil to the surface in examples like Corbyn etc.
It is not a coincidence that it's this conflict that garners the attention in the West and gets the left-wing parts of the West quite so agitated.
I think you can protest the actions, of course. To be clear, various leaders and people in israel and the IDF ought to be put in the Hague for what they've done. I am just sceptical of the honest intentions of the protests, as their interest is so specific to this one conflict.
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if he wants to make a point, he should dress up as a palestinian and try it with 'settlers' in the west bank
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There we go.
He's making a point about being a Jew in the UK - you get that, right? Which, despite everyone's best efforts, is f*ck all to do with Gaza or the West Bank.
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Are the Jews on the march anti-semitic then?
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They presumably don't share your concern though or they wouldn't be there.
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nonsense
this is absolutely to do with gaza and the west bank, and his transparent attempt to disrupt legitimate protests about it
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This is exactly the kind of anti-semitism I'm talking about.
A jew in London has as much to do with Israel-Gaza as a white Brit in London does for the Trump election.
Do British Jews have to renounce all Israel does to meet your purity standards to be free from your opprobrium?
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I agree that lumping all Jews in with the behaviour of the Israeli government / Zionists is unreasonable but that's a million miles away from your original rant that the police should have just allowed someone to wander into the protest and stir things up.
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No he isn't. He's merely illustrating what happens when someone pulls a stunt that is expressly designed to provoke a reaction from police and a protest that he disagrees with. Fair play to him for getting the coverage he's got, but I'm surprised that an historian has taken such a unbalanced view of it: you're ignoring all the evidence that the vast bulk of Jews around and in the march had no problem, because they didn't set out to be antagonistic and blatant self-publicists.
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