Today's discussion about the news
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That's kinda where I'm at. The problem with these privatised (essential) utilities is that they shoehorned the idea of market competition into a system that has no meaningful competition (water, railways come to mind) and have to be regulated both to preserve a working system (water particularly so) and to mitigate against the fact that there is no competition. And we've ended up with the worst of both worlds. I think the sewage debacle is because that was an easy one not to invest in, as it's less of an immediate crisis to individual consumers if the rivers are full of shit, rather than their drinking water suffering the same fate.
OTOH, British Telecom was ripe for competition, given how unresponsive it was in its monopoly position, and how much easier it is to have a competitive market in telecoms. British Railways was also very sluggish and A Bit Shit, but what we've got now is a Right Royal Mess, again, because the competition is fairly meaningless, and there's a very high bar for anyone wanting to enter the market.
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Yeah, Restore Trust certainly seem to have the DT's ear, so even someone complaining about scones made without butter gets a headline. Anything will do.
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Well backing a bunch of reactionary losers seems to be on brand. 🤨
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Pinnacle Monzonite
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Seems as if Israel is being accused of bombing the Iranian consulate in Syria. What could possibly go wrong? 😱
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
If the scones are vegan, I can understand margarine replacing butter (even though that's an abomination), but what's in there instead of the milk? Or the egg? And is it even really a scone after you have changed three out of the five ingredients (or six for a fruit scone)?
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I love the idea that an inanimate object can be woke, the idea of it doing so secretly is brilliant. Normally an article like that in 1st April would lead to an obvious conclusion but the world really is strange at the moment.
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Honestly, 99% of the time, people whining about "woke" is actually about stuff that old people grew up with as children (so anything popular in the 50s and 60s) changing.
It is the curse of every generation to think the period they grew up as children was some halcyon days. We're currently living in an era where the people just old enough to be decision makers but young enough to still be cool grew up in the 90s and early 00s, so guess what fashions are back?
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I would prefer they not say "this new scone recipe is woke" but "this changed scone recipe is ultra processed food".
Because getting rid of UPF is probably woke as well.
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Traditional butter scones (highly processed white flour + saturated fats) with clotted cream (saturated fats) and jam (refined sugar) are nutritional a disaster, so I wouldn’t worry unduly about any change of ingredients for a vegan version.
National Trust's vegan recipe:
For the scones
- 350g self-raising flour
- 85g plant-based margarine
- 60g caster sugar
- 3g baking powder
- 175ml (approx) oat milk
If anything, less unhealthy.
If the scones are being woke, it'll be due to the fact there will be less Co2/methane released into the atmosphere in manufacture. Never tried, but probably not as tasty though.
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Healthy versions of unhealthy things generally taste terrible. The whole concept is pointless.
Vegans are welcome to be vegans, providing they aren't evangelical about it.
Is there anything else to say?
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It's not a changed recipe. They've been vegan for years. Margarine was invented by the French in the mid 19th century.
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Pinnacle Monzonite
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More importantly, NT scones are entirely the wrong size. Too much for one person, not enough for two, and far too crumbly.
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Alternative view - I'd rather eat butter than margarine with its added lecithin emulsifier.
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Almost as though they need to change the ingredients.
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What happens if you are vegan and gluten free?
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Buy a vegan and gluten free scone.
Ingredients
Flour ((Rice, Potato, Tapioca, Maize & Buckwheat) Raising Agents (Mono Calcium Phosphate, Sodium Bicarbonate), Xanthan Gum)), Rica Milk ( Water, Rice (13.8%), Sunflower Oil, Calcium Phosphate, Sea Salt, Vitamins D2 And B12), Caster Sugar, Margarine (Vegetable Oils (Palm, Rapeseed), Water, Salt, Emulsifier: E475; Colours:E100, E160b; Flavouring), Raising Agent: (Mono Calcium Phosphate, Corn Starch, Sodium Bicarbonate) Powder Lemon Juice from Concentrate, Preservative E224 (Sulphites), Tapioca Starch, Pen Protein, Salt Stabiliser: Xanthan Gum, Light Brown Sugar
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Is that even biodegradable?
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Lecithin is sold as a health supplement.
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Isn't butter being better for you than margarine now the accepted view?
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Vegan, BB. Less healthy but more virtuous.
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'Cattle are responsible for 18% of the greenhouse gasses that result in global warming; more than all forms of transport combined'.
So, margarine is definitely more virtuous and probably healthier too.
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It does seem slightly strange to make a vegan scone, when surely the whole point of a scone is to dollop it with clotted cream & jam.
Is there 'alternative' clotted cream or do people eat them with just jam?
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Don't they have to use an alternative milk as well?
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"Learn to bake our world-famous fruit scones". Includes 1 egg and 200ml milk. Not very good for those with dairy allergies or vegans now is it?
This is the scandal of the year, and I'm glad the Telegraph has focussed our attention on it.
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You sure about that?
Woke is just a reboot of 80s political correctness which was driven by people who grew up in the 60s. The return of boho fashion is just a rehash of hippy.
I must confess, I used to complain about old people back in the day, but quite embarrassed about it now. Lucky really there was no social media back then or it would haunt me 😳
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