The Big 'Let's sell our cars and take buses/ebikes instead' thread (warning: probably very dull)
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Well see. Its the right thing to do though.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
It may be their job, but local officials can be biased.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
So safety for you and yours, screw (most of) the rest. Gotcha.
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Maybe, just maybe, what is popular will be implemented. What is popular is in the report below. Happy reading.
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
And sometimes what isn't popular at first (for whatever reason) turns out to be appreciated in time.
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Haha. I was wondering about laws that gained in popularity after initial scepticism, and MS Co-pilot offered this:
In the UK, one notable example of a law that gained popularity after initial skepticism is the country’s involvement with the European Union. Initially, there was significant skepticism about joining the Common Market in the 1960s, but the UK eventually acceded in 1973. This was followed by a referendum in 1975, where the electorate voted overwhelmingly to remain ‘in’, on marginally renegotiated terms. Another instance is the UK rebate negotiated by Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher in 1984, which gained popularity as it reduced the UK’s contributions to the Union. These examples highlight how public opinion and acceptance of laws can evolve over time.
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You're perfectly aware that the people who make the decisions are elected. If they were that unpopular they wouldn't remain elected. Or is it now the majority of the public that are 'biased'?
It must be exhausting feeling this hard done by all the time.
1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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One of the few just happening to be where you live?
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Nope, nothing to do with the fact that I live nearby - it is simply a (relatively uncommon) example of where it is appropriate that I can see because it happens to be close by.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Were they elected on that particular ticket? If there wasn't some problem here, the rules wouldn't be needed. Seems to me that some schemes have inadequate provision for public consultation. If these things were all genuinely popular, local officials should have nothing to be concerned about when it comes to giving those potentially affected by it a say.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
The Traffic Management Act has been around since 2004. This is a draft update of the existing guidance to LAs on execution of their statutory duties. Despite a bit of fluff to keep the motoring justice warriors happy it doesn't really change anything materially. Councils have to consult local residents (as they always did) and should take care in the design and implementation of restrictions.
As a personal example, I had about three letters plus an invitation to a public meeting and information on where I could find further details when my LA consulted on changing the local CPZ.
There are some parallels with the planning system, with people who paid no attention to formal public notices later complaining that they weren't adequately consulted when development actually starts.
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Pinnacle Monzonite
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I think it would be quicker for me to drive through if it was 40mph.
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OK, I'd agree that it helps to appreciate the safety benefits by seeing them, as you live nearby.
Given that, I'm not sure of the relevance of your observations about all those other schemes that you consider not to be 'appropriate'. Maybe those who live in those areas are better placed than you to judge whether they are appropriate or not, as they live close by.
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I'm OK as long as people who are likely to be impacted has a say.
The issue appears to be with councils who don't give enough opportunity for that to happen - I became aware of one near here just recently which had been very poorly publicised by the council. I only found out because some well meaning local Lib Dem types popped a leaflet through my letterbox asking for people to vote in support of it. If it hadn't been for them I would have never have had the chance to object 😊
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Good luck getting round the sharp bend in the high street at anywhere near that speed. But you're welcome to try. It helps if there is nobody coming the opposite way as its a blind bend. Hence why 20mph is appropriate in that short stretch of road.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
You'd have thought that drivers would have have more sense than to drive too fast to stop in the distance they can see round a blind bend. But I guess it makes sense to assume that a proportion are idiots and won't follow their training.
So, to get this straight, you support a change in speed limits to try to prevent idiot drivers going too fast round a blind bend, but not necessarily in residential areas where children might run in front of cars doing 30mph (+10% and 2mph).
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They always have done. You said yourself that you were contacted by your local councillor to ask for your support. If you preferred to object to it that's fine, but complaining that they didn't tell you about it is a bit weird. Perhaps if it's an important issue to you, you should follow more closely. I'm sure there's an email newsletter you can subscribe to or a WhatsApp group or whatever. Pretty sure they also have to post up notices as with planning applications.
1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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Nope it looks like you're trying. to put words into my mouth.
Can you explain why you seem to accept any attempt to cut speed limits as good regardless of the circumstances?
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Not by my local councillor as far as I am aware. But it had Lib Dem branding on it and was ìn no way balanced or objective.
The onus is on those putting these things forward to publicise them better. As mentioned above, what do they have to worry about if these are genuinely popular ideas?
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
I'll leave that to elected local officials to decide what the local circumstances are, but if reduced speed limits reduce the KSI stats, then my default is to be in favour, especially in residential areas.
A useful thought experiment would be to imagine that the national urban speed limit on residential roads is currently 20mph, and then do a cost/benefit analysis for increasing the limit to 30mph.
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I enjoy driving down town streets, especially in front of Mercedes drivers, at not much more than 20mph. 🤓
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There's often more than one to a ward. Appreciate I am guessing the LA based on your MP but it looks very much like a Conservative majority council albeit with a sizeable minority of Greens and LibDems. If you were informed by the LibDems then one of them might be your councillor. Just to be clear, Councils are required to consult local residents - i.e. residents and businesses in or adjacent to the proposed LTN. And they do.
They don't need to consult people who don't live in the proposed LTN but might occasionally drive through it. How would they possibly know who that was? The onus is on those people who have a view but are not local residents to do their own homework.
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Pinnacle Monzonite
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Who is the speed limit protecting there?
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Drivers who cannot read the road apparently.
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
This might be useful.
1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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You can do any thought experiment you want meanwhile, back in the real world...
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
My point still stands that councils generally need to be more proactive. The regs due out will hopefully make it harder for them to avoid doing this.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
We could speculate as to the intention but the council is best placed to answer that one.
Why do you ask?
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
You keep saying that but all the evidence you have offered is one vaguely local LTN that you were told about by members of your council. Maybe SDC is a bit slack but as I mentioned, my local authority sent 2 or 3 letters plus other publicity for a similar consultation where I lived in the affected area..
1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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You can read them yourself. I posted the link above. As I say, they were required to consult anyway so the new guidance is really just a reiteration.
1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0
