Today's discussion about the news
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Surely the more relevant point is that the entire projection of it falling relies on entirely unsubstantiated 'savings' that nobody really thinks can be achieved.
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Here you go. This is such an odd hill to die on.
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I do struggle in the real world sometimes with acquaintances' "casual" relationship with facts but have found a professional role where not only am I allowed to ask pedantic questions repeatedly, but such tendences are actively encouraged and very tidily remunerated, so it's not all bad!
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Thanks, but my reasons for not watching politicians' speeches remain as they were.
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Please do keep enlightening us with your informed take on the thing you haven't watched.
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It's climbing in all age groups except.f9r then over 60s, and actually falling in the over 70s.
(Ducks and runs for cover)
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So now arts organisations need to toe the line... those damned lefty artists should just be grateful for scraps from ACE.
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Steve Wright’s death seems to have come as a massive shock to everyone who knew him. I was listening to Simon Mayo when he announced it and had obviously just been told himself, he was very emotional as was Jo Wiley doing a tribute show. I never really like his show format but he was certainly good at his trade and was one of those people who I can remember being on the radio ever since I first started listening.
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I couldn't stand his programmes, but he seemed to be universally admired by colleagues. Reading his obituary in the Telegraph, his later years seemed rather sad. It was no age to go (says this nearly 60yo).
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Weird comment. It's hopefully not too contentious to observe that one can keep oneself well informed of the crucial "affairs of state" (and more trivial matters) by means of news reporting and comment in the written form.
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...or not, as it appears. 😉
Depends on your sources and their bias. All media has a bias.
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A hill I will figuratively die on is that Hamas are as perilous for Palestinians as the IDF are and no solution that protects Palestinians can work without destroying hamas.
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I'm guessing you mean - "No solution that protects Palestinians while destroying Hamas can work." ❓
I'd tend to agree. There is no easy answer, as always in the Middle East. Can only treat Hamas as terrorist cells in country.
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Were the IRA destroyed in order to achieve peace?
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It’s different tbh. The IRA don’t deliberately put civilians in the line of fire in order to generate international outrage.
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I suspect that it will be impossible to 'destroy' them. The only lasting solution will be to make them irrelevant. That's where the parallel with the IRA is. Sure, easier in the IRA's case, but with roots spreading elsewhere in the Arab world, even if it's pushed from Gaza for now, as long as Gazans are repressed, there will be those whose resentment will find its outlet in Hamas's violent reaction.
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They were persuaded to disarm, largely as they couldn't sustain their campaign. The UK government went about it a very different way but the end result is similar albeit a lot less bloody and more effective.
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Erm, that's a pretty shaky assertion.
1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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IIRC, Thatcher and Major both facilitated secret talks with the IRA, and through the GFA showed an alternative and better way of peaceful coexistence that starved the IRA of popular support. That's the polar opposite of what Netanyahu is doing, mostly because I don't think his objective has ever been a peaceful Palestinian Gaza.
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The tactics are absolutely different. I don't recall the IRA deliberately firing rockets from the most populated areas to generate outrage.
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They generated outrage by killing people. I guess you're too young to have seen it on the news almost daily.
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I don't think the IRA deliberately goaded the Brits into killing Republican civilians, unless I am very much mistaken.
I'll make it explicit. Hamas wants the IDF to kill Palestinian civilians.
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You're talking about differences in tactics, but the overall aim was the same: terrorism, and inflicting losses on the British 'oppressors'. The British government knew that they couldn't 'destroy' the IRA without making them irrelevant. The fact that Thatcher secretly enabled talks with them despite their attempt to assassinate her in the Brighton bomb is very telling.
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Yeah but those tactics are quite important.
Id argue Hamas needs the IDF to kill Palestinians to remain relevant and goes out of its way to make sure it does.
Hamas and the IDF together are the enemy of Palestinians.
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FWIW, my daily bus route to school in Bristol went past the shops the IRA destroyed in 1974. Terror was their métier, and they were good at it. They killed about 3500 people in terror attacks, according to Wikipedia.
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