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Yes, it was me that raised the issue on this thread in the first place. Are you hard of reading? Quote:
"They’ve done a great job of messing up in the Rochdale by election"
You then jumped on that to say how bad things willl be under Labour that anyone with their eyes open will have seen has been happening for a good few years anyway. I was assuming you did it ironically, it now appears not.
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I suspect this may happen a few more times in the run up to the election, seemingly vetting is difficult, and left wingers tend to support Palestine.
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Even if you did, you still need to stay on topic in this thread. So says the OP.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Was he being anti-semitic? I will caveat this that I have not looked into everything he said so it's possible he was.
From the bits I have read it sounded more like he wasn't toeing the part line on Israel, rather than being outright anti-semitic.
- Genesis Croix de Fer
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That was my impression too. It's the modus operandi of many supporters of Israel to label everything critical of Israel or Netanyahu as anti-semitic to stifle rational debate on the merits. Having said that, the candidate should have known, given Labour's recent history, that it wouldn't be open to debating the subject and would expect candidates to toe the party line.
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Apparently the quote was as follows
On Monday evening, the Daily Mail published a fuller recording, allegedly of Mr Ali, blaming "people in the media from certain Jewish quarters" for the suspension of Andy McDonald from the Labour Party.
Different to "Jews controlling the media" but I can see how it could be quite dog whistley
- Genesis Croix de Fer
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Oops. Yes, probably well that came to light now: hardly a dispassionate/neutral contribution to rational debate, and makes it easy for Starmer.
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In his speech at a demonstration on Saturday, Mr McDonald, a former shadow minister under Jeremy Corbyn, said: "We will not rest until we have justice. Until all people, Israelis and Palestinians, between the river and the sea, can live in peaceful liberty.
This is the reason McDonald was suspended.
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I did say it was depressing, so on topic. Happy to go on the other thread, plenty to moan about there like flip flops, u-turns and ditching core policies.
Everything being sh!t (which is not a new opinion for me) would go in the Annoying thread but it's not trivial.
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
I'm guessing that it's the charged '"between the river and the sea" that did for him. Seems to be used by 'both sides' for specific reasons. Knowing those connotations, would the laudable sentiment of all people being able to live in peace have been reduced had McDonald left it out?
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Seems like a pretty stupid thing to say really.
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It emphasises the area in which those people should be able to live peacefully without resorting to names (e.g. Israel, Palestine) or their status (occupied territories). It's a struggle to see how someone could be offended.
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1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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Which one of them?
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Indeed, but, as I say, that phrase clearly has connotations for many, and its insertion could be read as a provocation, and doesn't add to the sentiment, with which I happen to agree. There are times when it's best not to give ammunition to those whose job is to misconstrue and provoke reaction.
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Seems like I've been misunderstanding public forums all this time.
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McDonnell. It's clearly a charged phrase.
It feels like the debating tactic of an edgy teenager, rather than an ex shadow cabinet member.
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I thought our resident thread 'compartmentaliser' might get the point 😉
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
I like to live dangerously from time to time.
Anyway, if you don't like how one of your threads is being used, you can always delete it. Or change the title, not that that will stop people from commenting how they feel fit.
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First rule of BR.....
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
I might have to change the title after the next GE...
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
To what” Just how right did I get it”🤣
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"Look how long we kept the lefties out"? Haven't you been following this thread? 🙂
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
I was going by the title “Join the Labour Party and save your country”. How that will grate.
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Think they've been in since 2019. They were literally paying me to have the heating on last year.
1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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Lol they have lost another one!
Israel are putting them in a tricky spot.
- Genesis Croix de Fer
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Don't worry, it won't. But I always have the option to change the title if I want 🙂
In any event, I've had years of entertainment from this thread so it was all worth the effort.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Strange how a party with a well documented history of anti-semitism should be having problems because of this...
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0
