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Thanks for the correction. That wasn't crystal clear in the Telegraph.
It's all a bit odd though as the problem with 2030 isn't really linked to money, and levels of investment aren't related to government cost.
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We can take the opportunities more cheaply if some other sucker, sorry country takes the cost, sorry leads 😉
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Or be a participant in helping drive the single biggest change in an economy since the invention of the combustion engine.
Britain is really well placed for it.
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It's essentially the same as the amount the current government have promised (and legislated for) give or take.
The money is going to be spent regardless. Happy for you to stay behind if you prefer.
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Pinnacle Monzonite
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That would be nuclear fusion and we're doing OK at that I hear.
What specific opportunities do you see? Or is this you assuming that 'it's green so it must be good'?
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Happy to learn from the mistakes of others.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Not sure what mistakes you think we are likely to make in upgrading and expanding the grid. Pylons are not exactly bleeding edge.
Anyway, both parties are committed to this change. One think tank report isn't really going make a difference.
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Pinnacle Monzonite
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It's such a weird attitude, I don't understand it.
The energy transition has to, and will happen. That transition is going to involve a lot of investment, a lot of expertise to be developed, a lot of building, construction, design, the lot.
It's going to be a really big part of the economy in the future - it affects and underpins the whole thing.
Why wouldn't you want to invest for that?
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Some are concerned about taxation levels.
The fact that both parties will do the same seems to be an irrelevant point though.
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
How do we think we became an economy so reliant on fossil fuels? There's more going on here than either side of a personal balance sheet.
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Fossil fuels were in abundance and nuclear was "dirty". Green sources are unreliable in this country at present.
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.1 -
Not crystal clear is very generous. That used to be a respectable newspaper.
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No I mean, once upon a time Britain was not using any fossil fuels.
Imagine how much effort there is involved in changing the entire energy system to a sustainable one.
It’s absolutely ginormous. This idea that you can carry on if someone else does it is just weird. The whole world is going this way, and either you get ahead and use Britain’s major industries of financial and professional services, and its luck in being in the North Sea where so much offshore wind power can be produced, to be a world driver of it.
It will happen and it is inevitable and so why are people so scared of a) addressing it and b) seizing the opportunity?!
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Burning wood isn’t much better. 🤔
Coal replaced wood and was helped by railways. Then oil & gas came on line and was considered better than coal so coal was done away with.
I’m sure you want to make a point. Just say what it is.
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Because you are daft enough to think that you are somehow insulated from the effects of climate change and keep repeating the straw man argument that it wouldn't work if only the UK made such changes.
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Pinnacle Monzonite
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I genuinely think Climate Change is an existential problem for most people. Decarbonising whole countries/economies is a colossal undertaking and people don't like change. I think people just don't want to admit how big a problem this is, it is easier to bury your head in the and or kick it into the long grass for the next generation to deal with.
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I'm talking about an industrial revolution.
The energy transition is going be close to as transformational as the industrial revolution as you can get, and when you combine it with the timelines of the information and AI revolution, the economy is going to go through a shittonne of change.
Just saying you don't want the government to do anything about it because you're worried about a few billions on the tax bill is just ludicrous. That really is not seeing the wood for the trees.
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Totally. Call it Industrial Revolution 2.0.
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
The difference in costs between the parties from the analysis over 11 years is £7bn. The 2p cut in NI just cost £10bn per year. So either party could pay for the whole lot by putting that back if they were genuinely worried about the deficit.
I think what is baked in is that everybody expects the Conservatives to kick the can down the path again, and their 2035 target is nonsense.
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Is anyone seriously entertaining the possibility of this being anything other than Labour's problem to solve?
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Pinnacle Monzonite
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Fair point.
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Labour will be in power for at least 2 and more likely 3-4 parliaments, I think it is highly likely it is going to be for them to deal with.
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given that after the last election when Corbyn was hammered, and it taking the biggest ever turnaround at a GE to get a Labour majority, that's a pretty bold statement to make.
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I'm not very confident about predicting the length of the labour tenure, but I think the bookies have the Tories 50/50 on winning less than 100 seats, which would count as a wipeout.
I think if less than 100 MPs happen, it's safe to say it will take at least 2 elections to get up to fighting weight again.
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I think you might have replied to the wrong person/post...
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Fair comment, and I am basing it on some fairly big assumptions on my part. I think that it will be a combination of 3 major factors that will keep them in power for longer (again, taking a leap of faith on my part, so to speak).
1) Labour, and Starmer in particular, will be far bolder and more successful in policy making and economic recovery than people think and it will really drive home how destructive years of Tory rule have been for the majority of the electorate.
2) The Tory party as we knew it no longer exists and it will take them a considerable period of time to become a meaningful opposition again.
3) Points 1 & 2 will lead people back to some level of restored faith in sensible democracy and ease the social divisions that have become so prevalent over the last decade. They will be happy with the govt that returned the status quo and keen to avoid rocking the boat with any quick future changes of govt.
I appreciate my prediction could go disastrously wrong though 😅
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Sorry, poor use of the generic 'you'. That bit of English that doesn't work well.
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Pinnacle Monzonite
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Can you see the Tories sorting themselves out in a single term?
I am expecting the very thin threads holding them together to be ripped apart in opposition, and almost certainly a lurch rightwards. Labour don't have a very high bar to beat to be an improvement on today's government. With those baked in advantages something would have to go very wrong to not get a second term.
Beyond that is anyone's guess, it depends on how long Starmer stays on, who takes over, and whether the Tories can find another Cameron or another Iain Duncan Smith.
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