UK ISIS/IS Fighters
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Mr Goo wrote:Ai_1 wrote:CYCLESPORT1 wrote:
Care to at least add your own comments as to why you're posting it?
I think the point of posting this link is to highlight yet another insane and barbarous act committed in the name of that comic called the Koran. And that with 3.5million in the UK subscribing to its medieval teachings, it goes to prove that followers of this cult will never be able to fully assimilate into a Western Democratic and Humane Culture.0 -
Ai_1 wrote:Mr Goo wrote:Ai_1 wrote:CYCLESPORT1 wrote:
Care to at least add your own comments as to why you're posting it?
I think the point of posting this link is to highlight yet another insane and barbarous act committed in the name of that comic called the Koran. And that with 3.5million in the UK subscribing to its medieval teachings, it goes to prove that followers of this cult will never be able to fully assimilate into a Western Democratic and Humane Culture.
As I keep saying I cannot see how it can sit in any Western Democracy without their being problems. And problems (understatement of the century) are what we are experiencing.Always be yourself, unless you can be Aaron Rodgers....Then always be Aaron Rodgers.0 -
pliptrot wrote:Mr Goo wrote:And that with 3.5million in the UK subscribing to its medieval teachings, it goes to prove that followers of this cult will never be able to fully assimilate into a Western Democratic and Humane Culture.
You have missed the point that virtually all of them have.Mr Goo wrote:Ai_1 wrote:Mr Goo wrote:Ai_1 wrote:CYCLESPORT1 wrote:
Care to at least add your own comments as to why you're posting it?
I think the point of posting this link is to highlight yet another insane and barbarous act committed in the name of that comic called the Koran. And that with 3.5million in the UK subscribing to its medieval teachings, it goes to prove that followers of this cult will never be able to fully assimilate into a Western Democratic and Humane Culture.
As I keep saying I cannot see how it can sit in any Western Democracy without their being problems. And problems (understatement of the century) are what we are experiencing.0 -
Ai_1.
Maybe I am xenophobic, and the vast majority of muslims get along just fine in our democracy and are honest decent citizens. With the murderous extremists making up a minority. However do keep in mind that in 1930s Germany, the vast majority of the population were honest hard working people who just wanted to get on in life. They were subjugated by a minority of extremists that swept through the country and through Europe.
What I am saying is that the 'meek' are always blown away by the extremists. That is the worry.Always be yourself, unless you can be Aaron Rodgers....Then always be Aaron Rodgers.0 -
It is not really a fair comparison, 1930s Germany was in a bit of a state to say the least from the sanctions placed on it after WW1 and so the people were looking for a solution. The UK has it's problems now but is nowhere near where Germany was back then.www.conjunctivitis.com - a site for sore eyes0
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Mr Goo wrote:Ai_1.
Maybe I am xenophobic, and the vast majority of muslims get along just fine in our democracy and are honest decent citizens. With the murderous extremists making up a minority. However do keep in mind that in 1930s Germany, the vast majority of the population were honest hard working people who just wanted to get on in life. They were subjugated by a minority of extremists that swept through the country and through Europe.
What I am saying is that the 'meek' are always blown away by the extremists. That is the worry.Mr Goo wrote:I think the point of posting this link is to highlight yet another insane and barbarous act committed in the name of that comic called the Koran. And that with 3.5million in the UK subscribing to its medieval teachings, it goes to prove that followers of this cult will never be able to fully assimilate into a Western Democratic and Humane Culture.
As I said before, I personally consider all religions to be a problem, but I'm not about to condemn everyone who follows one or suggest isolationism or segregation is a solution. It never has been before.
The Nazi example is a poor one to support the argument for segregation since that's one of the worst things they did with their power, they removed the people they considered incompatible with the society they wanted. i.e. jews, gypsies and rafts of others. Xenophobia and fear used to stir up nationalist zeal, a sense of self-righteousness and superiority are how the Nazi regime gained and wielded control. In the long term I don't believe you will ever prevent extremism or the damaging and often violent consequences of extremism by trying to over-control population movements or integration. Disarm these guys by engaging positively with the parts of their communities willing to converse. Educate, share, understand rather than fear, separate and condemn.0 -
CYCLESPORT1 wrote:Islamic Terrorism: Why There Is None in Japan
http://chersonandmolschky.com/2015/04/1 ... ism-japan/
That was a good read, well done Japan. Sadly we've left it too late in this country to follow suit.0 -
Rigga wrote:CYCLESPORT1 wrote:Islamic Terrorism: Why There Is None in Japan
http://chersonandmolschky.com/2015/04/1 ... ism-japan/
That was a good read, well done Japan. Sadly we've left it too late in this country to follow suit.0 -
Ai_1 wrote:[ Disarm these guys by engaging positively with the parts of their communities willing to converse. Educate, share, understand rather than fear, separate and condemn.
yeah very idealistic but its a 2 way thing and all i see is us doing the giving and others doing taking.0 -
mamba80 wrote:Ai_1 wrote:[ Disarm these guys by engaging positively with the parts of their communities willing to converse. Educate, share, understand rather than fear, separate and condemn.
yeah very idealistic but its a 2 way thing and all i see is us doing the giving and others doing taking.
What giving and taking are you talking about?
Idealism gets a hard time, largely because it's so damn inconvenient when you want a quick fix. But pragmatism with no ideals at it's core ALWAYS ends badly in my opinion.
Of course the wrong ideals are destructive too. My previous point, part of which you quoted, was with regard to the ideals that should be the foundation of our approach, and theirs. How you implement it is a different matter but the fact that people can't even agree that we should be looking at it this way is in my opinion a very scary fact. People are obsessed with addressing symptoms instead of root causes. It quite simply does not work. It never has, and it never will. But it's easy to sell.0