Today's discussion about the news
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Yes, they are doing their cause no good, and making the world a bit worse for everyone into the bargain.
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Many years ago when a climate change demo blockaded cyclists and electric buses you told me it was all about getting attention. Is that no longer true?
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I think glueing Mary Berry's hands to a mixing bowl would garner more positive attention, tbh.
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I'll raise you with Nigella Lawson. 😉
BTW managed to smash my large Pyrex mixing bowl this evening....
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I'm thinking I may be missing a double entendre there somehow. 🤣
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
It still is true, and they have got attention.
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I'm not sure the addage of there being no such thing as bad publicity is really true. Just ask Rishi Sunak, for example.
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UNESCO and ‘even’ Mark Harper disagree with that
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The 'current' road has been there hundreds of years. The tarmac and the vehicles are modern but the road is shown on maps of Wiltshire dating back to at least the early 19th century.
1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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More of a local issue but there is currently a debate happening in the City about bank junction, which, since Covid has been dramatically changed to suit pedestrians and cyclists, locking out any motorists except buses.
Cabbies are lobbying hard to be exempt:
i used to use it every day as a cyclist commuter pre changes and over the 7 years I saw two dead bodies, cyclists, on my commute, and multiple accidents - in every instance it was a cab involved.
I cannot fathom why this is even up for debate. God I hate cabbies. Fuck them.
Even just on the numbers - the number of pedestrians, let alone cyclists, is so big that the number of people in a cab passing through wouldn’t even be 1% of overall usage.
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I have been hit twice by vehicles while cycling, both times it was black cabs.
Let them drive the long way around. I don't go to Bank often but I don't recall struggling to get there without a black cab
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Yep my only proper accident in London was being hit by a black cab.
- Genesis Croix de Fer
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That's like saying the redevelopment of the Rec in Bath will have a negative impact on the city's world heritage status. It won't, and will actually enhance it.
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No shit Sherlock! Your point is?
The road has changed significantly over the years and now is a very busy stretch that goes from 2 lanes to one as you top the hill out of Amesbury. There used to be a right turn up to the stones that was removed about 15 years ago and the roundabout further along was built.
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My point is that the road itself is part of the history of the site, not just a modern addition. The problem is the traffic, not the road.
1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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mmm, scenic
i'd think emissions over the decades will have caused more damage to the stones than some powder paint
still a stupid thing for jso to do, it won't help their cause and will only encourage further demands to curtail civil liberties by populist right-wingers
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I’ve never understood why taxis get exemptions on everything like being able to use bike lanes. I guess in The City there are an element that won’t consider using a bus though.
It still surprises me the amount of people who still choose to drive through the West End. On one of my recent trips I saw someone getting wound up by pedestrians crossing the road while he was trying to drive around Leicester Square.
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I think it's just they're organised and they can argue they are an important part of public transport - servicing the areas the rest of public transport can't.
The only reason they would want to use bank is not because it is a destination but because it cuts route journey time for them. Given the numbers involved, it should not really be up for discussion.
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Agree that it's unlikely to cause any lasting damage and that JSO have just found new and inventive ways to push people away from their cause. Don't think the heavily cropped photo is representative, though.
The road is barely visible when you visit.
1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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It just takes a government to back a scheme that UNESCO doesn't mind, rather than ignoring all findings and pushing on regardless. This is just a small scale example of this particular government being told they were wrong and insisting louder.
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That's simply not true. Given from the road you can easily see the visitors walking around the stones, those walking around the stones can also easily see the traffic.
When was the last time you passed there?
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We can't ossify the whole country because some people a long time ago did some pretty cool stuff.
I'm all for protecting heritage, hell I'm a historian, there's nothing I love more than looking at shit people did in the past, but heritage is about now, and how we live with the past today.
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I think you need to get some perspective
- Genesis Croix de Fer
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Stonehenge is barely visible when you visit as well. It's up there with the Mona Lisa and the Statue of Liberty as being visually underwhelming (still obviously a massive achievement of its time).
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That photo was 2021. September '23 would be the last time and I'll be heading back past in August. Here's one from 2019 when we visited, looking towards the road.
The road is top left.
1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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Hard to argue with.
1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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The issue with the site is that it is over visited and over hyped. When I was a child I was able to walk amongst the stones. That was more interesting and atmospheric. If you want that experience, go to Avebury or Callanish. Can thoroughly recommend the latter.
Stonehenge should probably be a book in advance for one of a limited number of visitor places type attraction, rather than a stop whenever you want on your way to Looe and have a hateful experience together with multiple coach loads of elderly people type of attraction.
The way it is now necessitates a huge visitor infrastructure that seems to be to be wholly incommensurate with the site itself.
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If you look at the size of crane they used in the 60s to stand up some of the fallen stones, that gives a better idea of the scale
The best way to view it is from the air so that you can appreciate the full extent of the Avenue, the Cursus and the Barrow Cemeteries. But Avebury knocks it into a hat for scale.
1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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Avebury is just different.
Callanish knocks it I to a hat, because it is so remote, by the sea etc.
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