2024 Election thread
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I don't see any other party wanting to do anything substantive and a damn sight better than the likes of the Lib Dems who just want to invite everyone in. The govt recognise its an issue and an important one for voters but have fallen short. Sadly we may find out how Labour handle it soon.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Which party do you think will sort it out then?
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
The thing is only one Party is always making a big song and dance about how immigration is bad yet in the 14 years they've had in charge all they seem to have done is increased the rate so either they are incompetent or they realise that immigration is important but don't want to admit it because of the public opinion you've mentioned rather than educating on why it is needed. Like so many other issues they are talking as though they've been in opposition for 14 years and need a chance to get into Government to put things right. Even the most gullible are starting to see through that tactic now.
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They pretend they want to reduce it. In reality they have done the opposite. They know the country relies on this immigration to keep going. They know which side their bread is buttered. They know we'd all be much worse off without it. So they make a show of being tough on immigration while handing out more and more visas.
Why would anyone have a real policy to reduce it?
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Pinnacle Monzonite
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Do you really not know of any possible reasons?
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
This presupposes that immigration is something to sort out. I don't believe it is. Roughly half my workforce was born overseas. I'd be a hypocrite if I thought there was something wrong with that.
I do believe that arbitrarily restricting immigration would have significant and wide ranging negative consequences. So I'm not really looking for a party to do something about it.
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Pinnacle Monzonite
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So getting more specific, do you think that the current annual immigration figure of approx 700,000 is too much, about right, more not enough?
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
I think I've made it fairly clear I'm not bothered.
If 5 million turn up in 7 months I can see the logistics get tricky but that's not realistic. If 700,000 is the highest we've ever invited to stay, we'll be fine.
Perhaps you don't remember what happened in 2020 when 300,000 left London in a matter of weeks. Immediately day rates for trades jumped significantly.
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Pinnacle Monzonite
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Well you're in the minority then.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Like that's a problem. I think you've been reading the Telegraph too much if you think it is most people's priority.
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Pinnacle Monzonite
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I'm not bothered where it was reported, but if you think people don't care then you're kidding yourself.
As posted upthread - the scale of public support for cutting immigration is pretty overwhelming, even though the majority also heavily understopimate the level of net migration.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
What does sort it out mean. It's not like early noughties labour had particularly soft narrative around immigration.
I think if you really want to put your money where you mouth is you'd have to vote reform.
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Am I understanding the numbers one that poll correctly? They asked 4000 people to find out the opinions in 650 constituencies?
The respondents then demonstrated that they had, on average, no understanding of the topic. But we should definitely listen to them.
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Care, sure. Major priority? Aside from Reform voters, who are only helping Labour, people have bigger problems to deal with. And that's after the government has talked about nothing else for months. Meanwhile they are tearing themselves to pieces over a policy that will make precisely f*** all difference to immigration.
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Pinnacle Monzonite
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1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
Welcome to democracy. Idiots have exactly the same rights as the willfully ignorant.
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I didn't think I would have to spell it out, but notwithstanding that some people on here don't see it as an issue or anything that needs dealing with, a large part of the electorate does.
We saw the same sort of arrogance over the Brexit - that most people are supposedly too thick to understand the issues. And look what happened there.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]1 -
I mean reduce the numbers to a more manageable level. Now which party do you think will do that?
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Mmm, people thought they were voting to restrict immigration and do boomtick new trade deals with everywhereland, to improve the NHS and not lose any rights as EU citizens.
Does this support your argument?
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My argument is that people on here can say that something isn't an issue but if enough of the electorate think it is, then something is likely to happen that they won't like. And dismissing the views of others (even if confused or misguided) doesn't help.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]1 -
None.
Of.
Them.
Conservatives? Spent the last 14 years increasing immigration
Labour? No sign that they would do much different other than less performative nonsense about Rwanda.
LibDems? Doesn't matter. Not going to form a government.
Greens? Doesn't matter.
Reform? Matters even less.
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Pinnacle Monzonite
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Reform matters less? Don't be too sure. Look at what Nigel Farage managed pretty much single handedly.
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Votes for Reform only really split the Conservative vote and make it easier for Labour. That's why the Conservatives are chasing Reform policies: because Reform can turn a loss into a rout without winning a single seat. Reform have the advantage as they can promise the moon on a stick without having to worry about how to actually enact any of it.
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Pinnacle Monzonite
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That last sentence also applies to the Lib Dems and the Greens.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Thanks for answering on behalf of Jezyboy 🙂
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Precisely. Votes for Reform make the tories change their policies so what they say DOES matter.
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
They're probably best not voting for the Party responsible for the gradient of the upward trend increasing over the last decade then wouldn't you say? I really don't understand why you think the Tories are best placed to deal with the 'issue', if they were an opposition Party talking tough I could see the point but we have over a decade of evidence that proves the Tories either can't fix it or don't really want to fix it. Campaigning on a topic where you have a terrible track record seems batshit crazy to me (although if they didn't campaign on issues where they have a poor track record in the last 8 years they wouldn't campaign at all).
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True at a parliamentary level. The problem of FPTP. I was thinking more at constituency level. Conservative MPs with small majorities know that Reform votes will only hurt them.
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Pinnacle Monzonite
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Missing the point there. The desire of the electorate is what I'm talking about not whether the Tories have failed to reduce immigration (which is true).
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Only if you are a Conservative voter. You'd think after Cameron followed Farage to disaster they'd have learned not to do it again but here they are convinced that shipping a few dozen asylum applicants to Rwanda will save them.
1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0
