TDF 2023: Stage 17:- Saint Gervais to Courchevel, 166km ***Spoilers***

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  • r0bh
    r0bh Posts: 2,450
    poweredbyidris said:

    Jebus - they broke Pog

    I think Pog broke himself on stages 1 to 15
  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,730
    This Tour is going to end up on paper as the most one sided since the days of sepia and flat caps.
    Pogacar is completely spent and he's the only rider left within 8 minutes.
    Saturday's stage could be brutal.
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  • bianchi_dave
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    ddraver said:

    They'll start throwing piss at JV and JV now 🤔
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  • Pross
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    bobmcstuff said:

    Pross said:

    Pog will lose around 6 minutes to JV.

    Wtf. At the cricket, not watching... Worth watching the highlights?
    Yes, the final climb. I think there was a bit of action at the start too but I missed that.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,589
    Amazing how quickly a very tight race can turn into a complete rout.

    Gall very emotional in his interview.
  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 18,912
    Stage 20 is going to be last chance saloon for top 10 GC ...they'll go for it
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  • bianchi_dave
    bianchi_dave Posts: 933
    edited July 2023
    Pog on race radio when he cracked - "I'm gone, I'm dead"
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  • poweredbyidris
    poweredbyidris Posts: 848
    Imagine what this Tour would've been like without Pog
  • ddraver
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    Pross said:

    Amazing how quickly a very tight race can turn into a complete rout.

    Gall very emotional in his interview.

    Incredible...
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  • Lanterne_Rogue
    Lanterne_Rogue Posts: 4,340
    I wouldn't be surprised if Pogacar retires ill in the next couple of days. Lights went properly out today.
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  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,730
    Lanterne_Rogue said:

    I wouldn't be surprised if Pogacar retires ill in the next couple of days. Lights went properly out today.

    Plus he's had a nasty bang to his left knee. That can't have helped either.
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  • poweredbyidris
    poweredbyidris Posts: 848
    Real 2019 Tour 'oh, is that it?' vibes
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,589
    Lanterne_Rogue said:

    I wouldn't be surprised if Pogacar retires ill in the next couple of days. Lights went properly out today.

    I did think the same, especially as the team would still hold second place but I don't think it is in his nature. He'd been looking pale and tired for a few days, I think I mentioned it on Sunday, but then yesterday's ride in relation to all bar Vingergaard suggested he was OK.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,589
    edited July 2023
    I assume everyone will make the time cut. By my calculation the cut off is just over 46 minutes.

    Edit - was looking at co-efficient 5, this was 'only' a 4 so it will be under 35 minutes.
  • larkim
    larkim Posts: 2,485
    Pog was in shape for a 2 week GT, just not a 3 week one. Interesting fight for the podium etc though.
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  • wallace_and_gromit
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    bianchi_dave said:

    Pog on race radio when he cracked - "I'm gone, I'm dead"

    That was quite painful to hear. Reminds you that they are real people after all (and not much older than my kids) not just racing robots.
  • Tashman
    Tashman Posts: 3,497
    Pross said:

    I assume everyone will make the time cut. By my calculation the cut off is just over 46 minutes.

    Edit - was looking at co-efficient 5, this was 'only' a 4 so it will be under 35 minutes.

    Official site says 5 minutes and 12 riders left right now
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,589
    edited July 2023
    Tashman said:

    Pross said:

    I assume everyone will make the time cut. By my calculation the cut off is just over 46 minutes.

    Edit - was looking at co-efficient 5, this was 'only' a 4 so it will be under 35 minutes.

    Official site says 5 minutes and 12 riders left right now
    Yep, I'm struggling here. I make the average stage speed 34.39 km/h and the site I looked at said that the allowance was 12% on a co-efficient 4 for speeds between 34 and 35km/h. Winning time was 4 49' 08" in which the allowance would be 34' 42" but that would rule out anyone outside the top 63 with Latour being the first person to miss the cut. Either my maths is bad or there is some duff information on the website I used.

    Edit - dodgy information on the first site I looked at which had it as coefficient 4 (maximum of 5). It is actually a 5 (maximum of 6 for the TT) and is 16% so would have been 46' 16". Geshke was last to finish in 44' 56", I wouldn't fancy trying to judge the effort with that final climb to the line where even Gaudu lost 30" in 200m.
  • andyp
    andyp Posts: 10,575
    Everyone made the time cut, including Geschke.
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,262
    edited July 2023
    blazing_saddles said:

    This Tour is going to end up on paper as the most one sided since the days of sepia and flat caps.
    Pogacar is completely spent and he's the only rider left within 8 minutes.
    Saturday's stage could be brutal.

    The biggest winning margins this century

    7.37 Nibali/Peraud 2014
    7 35 Vingegaard/Pogacar 2023
    7.17 Armstrong/Beloki 2002

    Edited: Armstrong/Zulle in 1999 was 7.37
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  • focuszing723
    focuszing723 Posts: 8,154
    I bet Pidcock can't wait to get back on the MTB.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,589
    RichN95. said:

    blazing_saddles said:

    This Tour is going to end up on paper as the most one sided since the days of sepia and flat caps.
    Pogacar is completely spent and he's the only rider left within 8 minutes.
    Saturday's stage could be brutal.

    The biggest winning margins this century

    7.37 Nibali/Peraud 2014
    7.37 Armstrong/Beloki 2002
    7 35 Vingegaard/Pogacar 2023
    A week ago I thought it might be the closest ever, now it could easily be the biggest margin this century despite both favourites finishing and no major incidents for them.
  • No_Ta_Doctor
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    Pross said:

    RichN95. said:

    blazing_saddles said:

    This Tour is going to end up on paper as the most one sided since the days of sepia and flat caps.
    Pogacar is completely spent and he's the only rider left within 8 minutes.
    Saturday's stage could be brutal.

    The biggest winning margins this century

    7.37 Nibali/Peraud 2014
    7.37 Armstrong/Beloki 2002
    7 35 Vingegaard/Pogacar 2023
    A week ago I thought it might be the closest ever, now it could easily be the biggest margin this century despite both favourites finishing and no major incidents for them.
    To be fair, the lad has been banging on about the third week since the start
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  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,730
    edited July 2023
    RichN95. said:

    blazing_saddles said:

    This Tour is going to end up on paper as the most one sided since the days of sepia and flat caps.
    Pogacar is completely spent and he's the only rider left within 8 minutes.
    Saturday's stage could be brutal.

    The biggest winning margins this century

    7.37 Nibali/Peraud 2014
    7 35 Vingegaard/Pogacar 2023
    7.17 Armstrong/Beloki 2002

    Edited: Armstrong/Zulle in 1999 was 7.37

    Ullrich/Virenque in 1997 was 9.09.

    Pogacar looked a broken man today. He's going to have to produce some ride on Saturday, or else negotiate a complete cease fire with Jumbo. Otherwise the best he can hope for is to avoid a 26 year old record.
    "Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,589
    blazing_saddles said:

    RichN95. said:

    blazing_saddles said:

    This Tour is going to end up on paper as the most one sided since the days of sepia and flat caps.
    Pogacar is completely spent and he's the only rider left within 8 minutes.
    Saturday's stage could be brutal.

    The biggest winning margins this century

    7.37 Nibali/Peraud 2014
    7 35 Vingegaard/Pogacar 2023
    7.17 Armstrong/Beloki 2002

    Edited: Armstrong/Zulle in 1999 was 7.37

    Ullrich/Virenque in 1997 was 9.09.

    Pogacar looked a broken man today. He's going to have to produce some ride on Saturday, or else negotiate a complete cease fire with Jumbo. Otherwise the best he can hope for is to avoid a 26 year old record.
    Maybe Jumbo will allow Wout is stage on Saturday now the GC is done (although he might win tomorrow after clocking off early today).
  • amrushton
    amrushton Posts: 1,313
    edited July 2023
    So Roglic won't be the leader at the TdF for the next few years? One day it will be Jonas going backwards. But he can enjoy his time for now
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,262
    amrushton said:

    So Roglic won't be the leader at the TdF for the next few years? One day it will be Jonas going backwards. But he can enjoy his time for now

    Unless Roglic leaves. I think a deal could be done.
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  • ddraver
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    focuszing723 said:

    I bet Pidcock can't wait to get back on the MTB.


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  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 18,912
    Great race ..big emotions ..wild swings of fortune
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  • stage_hunter
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    blazing_saddles said:

    RichN95. said:

    blazing_saddles said:

    This Tour is going to end up on paper as the most one sided since the days of sepia and flat caps.
    Pogacar is completely spent and he's the only rider left within 8 minutes.
    Saturday's stage could be brutal.

    The biggest winning margins this century

    7.37 Nibali/Peraud 2014
    7 35 Vingegaard/Pogacar 2023
    7.17 Armstrong/Beloki 2002

    Edited: Armstrong/Zulle in 1999 was 7.37

    Ullrich/Virenque in 1997 was 9.09.

    Pogacar looked a broken man today. He's going to have to produce some ride on Saturday, or else negotiate a complete cease fire with Jumbo. Otherwise the best he can hope for is to avoid a 26 year old record.
    Ineos and Jayco might smell blood.

    Indeed, going after Pog might be Ineos' best chance of the podium. They will probably have to crack him on the Petit Ballon though. UAE might have a job defending Yates and Pog.

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