TDF 2023: Stage 15: - Les Gets to Saint Gervais, 180km ***Spoilers***
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Pog could beat Vingegaard by 10 seconds in the TT just to make it even? 😉Lanterne_Rogue said:I really hope it's not the time trial that decides this. The racing on the road has been engrossing, and it feels like it should be decided shoulder to shoulder and not as seconds on a clock.
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Commander of the Sky train of the north and loyal servant to the TRUE emperor, Christopherus Froomus, and had his vengeance, in this stage or the nextRichN95. said:Chapeau to Wouter Lambertus Martinus Henricus Poels, to give him his full name
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Jonas will put time into pog on the tt"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0
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I think pog is fading ...all that mattered today for jumbo is Jonas gets to start behind pog in the ttNo_Ta_Doctor said:
Col de Loze/kingstongraham said:They've got a tt then a stage with almost 1000 more metres of climbing
Courchevel on Wednesday. The TT can't really decide this, as there's always an opportunity there. It's another stage that favours Jonas on paper. I think he's spent two weeks trying to soften Pog up for these two days. It's going to be fun finding out if it's worked"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm1 -
I’ve ridden all the climbs on todays stage (several of them on loads of occasions) but that last one is a frickin horror. Only upside was a stall handing out a selection of Savoie delicacies pre Dauphiné stage finish. I ate my body weight in meat and cheese then had a lie down to wait for Yates A to cross the line.1
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That'll learn yerthegreatdivide said:I’ve ridden all the climbs on todays stage (several of them on loads of occasions) but that last one is a frickin horror. Only upside was a stall handing out a selection of Savoie delicacies pre Dauphiné stage finish. I ate my body weight in meat and cheese then had a lie down to wait for Yates A to cross the line.
"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
Odd that it seems, given the amount of racing each has had in recent weeks, but I think Pog is the one who is fading too.mididoctors said:
I think pog is fading ...all that mattered today for jumbo is Jonas gets to start behind pog in the ttNo_Ta_Doctor said:
Col de Loze/kingstongraham said:They've got a tt then a stage with almost 1000 more metres of climbing
Courchevel on Wednesday. The TT can't really decide this, as there's always an opportunity there. It's another stage that favours Jonas on paper. I think he's spent two weeks trying to soften Pog up for these two days. It's going to be fun finding out if it's worked
I reckon, come Tuesday, Jonas's 10 second lead will be 30.
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Col de lka Loze is an utter brute - regular 20% sections, and the final 300m at 2,400 m is also 20% ramp. Narrow road on the Courchevel side, and I believe a final ramp on the Altiport.
The road from Brides les Bains to Courvhevel 1300 is a stiff drag, and there are a couple of steepish ramps on the balcony road from 1300 to Meribel.
It's going to be a hard, hard day.0 -
I hope not; in an era of exciting riders, he's a boring automaton. He's not one to inspire you to get out and ride your bike......mididoctors said:Jonas will put time into pog on the tt
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Wow, some people are never satisfiedandyrac said:
I hope not; in an era of exciting riders, he's a boring automaton. He's not one to inspire you to get out and ride your bike......mididoctors said:Jonas will put time into pog on the tt
We're watching one of the great rivalries, the toe-to-toe punches we've always wanted to see. Jumbo-Visma setting up long range attacks, Pog countering with burning sprints, and one of the protagonists is "a boring automaton"? This and the last Tour have been the best Tours i've seen since the late eighties (where we got half an hour highlights), and that's been due to Vingegaard being aggressive and daring. Granon last year was the single best and most daring stage I've seen, barring maybe Froome's Giro miracleWarning No formatter is installed for the format1 -
Are Ellen van Dijk and Peter Kennaugh the same person?
They look so similar.Sometimes. Maybe. Possibly.
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Every hero needs a villain.No_Ta_Doctor said:
Wow, some people are never satisfiedandyrac said:
I hope not; in an era of exciting riders, he's a boring automaton. He's not one to inspire you to get out and ride your bike......mididoctors said:Jonas will put time into pog on the tt
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Whoever you decide the hero to be.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
You'd have thought Jumbo-Visma learnt the "don't wait until the final big stage" lesson the hard way.
Vingegaard's defensive tactics are going to look wrong-headed if he doesn't win.0 -
Impossible not to like this kid
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Sometimes I'm not sure we're watching the same race.andyp said:You'd have thought Jumbo-Visma learnt the "don't wait until the final big stage" lesson the hard way.
Vingegaard's defensive tactics are going to look wrong-headed if he doesn't win.
Vingegaard won the Tour on stage 5 with an attack from distance, then lost most of tat time on stage 5 after trying to set up another big attack.Warning No formatter is installed for the format0 -
Pog is the more likable racer and remember my analysis is just another asshat on the internet talking s4iteandyrac said:
I hope not; in an era of exciting riders, he's a boring automaton. He's not one to inspire you to get out and ride your bike......mididoctors said:Jonas will put time into pog on the tt
"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
Who ever loses is going to get blamed for not doing X y or z"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0
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The subtle difference for me is that the first week was exciting, due to the racing, while the second week was exciting, (I prefer to describe it as tense) due to the race situation.No_Ta_Doctor said:
Sometimes I'm not sure we're watching the same race.andyp said:You'd have thought Jumbo-Visma learnt the "don't wait until the final big stage" lesson the hard way.
Vingegaard's defensive tactics are going to look wrong-headed if he doesn't win.
Vingegaard won the Tour on stage 5 with an attack from distance, then lost most of tat time on stage 5 after trying to set up another big attack.
"Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.1 -
He's not taken the front since, apart from the sprint for the time bonuses yesterday.No_Ta_Doctor said:
Sometimes I'm not sure we're watching the same race.andyp said:You'd have thought Jumbo-Visma learnt the "don't wait until the final big stage" lesson the hard way.
Vingegaard's defensive tactics are going to look wrong-headed if he doesn't win.
Vingegaard won the Tour on stage 5 with an attack from distance, then lost most of tat time on stage 5 after trying to set up another big attack.
He's leading so I get the tactics, but he (and the team management) seem convinced that he'll get enough time in the TT on Tuesday and the Loze stage on Wednesday to hold off Pogacar. I'm not convinced personally, and if he doesn't then comparisons to the way Jumbo-Visma lost the 2020 Tour are inevitable.
He won the Tour last year by going on the attack, and using Pogacar's willingness to fight fire with fire against him. That tactic worked well, and whilst I appreciate it might not work twice, reverting back to 2020 tactics seems risky, especially when they gained time already this Tour by attacking Pogacar.0 -
He's been using his team to try and create a situation to exploit, but it hasn't worked yet. If he hasn't got the legs to make the difference there's not much he can do yet, is there?andyp said:
He's not taken the front since, apart from the sprint for the time bonuses yesterday.No_Ta_Doctor said:
Sometimes I'm not sure we're watching the same race.andyp said:You'd have thought Jumbo-Visma learnt the "don't wait until the final big stage" lesson the hard way.
Vingegaard's defensive tactics are going to look wrong-headed if he doesn't win.
Vingegaard won the Tour on stage 5 with an attack from distance, then lost most of tat time on stage 5 after trying to set up another big attack.
He's leading so I get the tactics, but he (and the team management) seem convinced that he'll get enough time in the TT on Tuesday and the Loze stage on Wednesday to hold off Pogacar. I'm not convinced personally, and if he doesn't then comparisons to the way Jumbo-Visma lost the 2020 Tour are inevitable.
He won the Tour last year by going on the attack, and using Pogacar's willingness to fight fire with fire against him. That tactic worked well, and whilst I appreciate it might not work twice, reverting back to 2020 tactics seems risky, especially when they gained time already this Tour by attacking Pogacar.Warning No formatter is installed for the format0 -
Also if we are talking seconds, might Pog have a go at the Champs sprint?andyp said:
He's not taken the front since, apart from the sprint for the time bonuses yesterday.No_Ta_Doctor said:
Sometimes I'm not sure we're watching the same race.andyp said:You'd have thought Jumbo-Visma learnt the "don't wait until the final big stage" lesson the hard way.
Vingegaard's defensive tactics are going to look wrong-headed if he doesn't win.
Vingegaard won the Tour on stage 5 with an attack from distance, then lost most of tat time on stage 5 after trying to set up another big attack.
He's leading so I get the tactics, but he (and the team management) seem convinced that he'll get enough time in the TT on Tuesday and the Loze stage on Wednesday to hold off Pogacar. I'm not convinced personally, and if he doesn't then comparisons to the way Jumbo-Visma lost the 2020 Tour are inevitable.
He won the Tour last year by going on the attack, and using Pogacar's willingness to fight fire with fire against him. That tactic worked well, and whilst I appreciate it might not work twice, reverting back to 2020 tactics seems risky, especially when they gained time already this Tour by attacking Pogacar.0 -
Not sure if it's been posted on here already
Apparently this would be the first time that the same two riders have come 1-2 for 3 successive years
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Funniest thing I’ve read all week! I’ll watch the exciting Jonas and leave you to watch the boring one as we’re obviously watching two different riders!andyrac said:
I hope not; in an era of exciting riders, he's a boring automaton. He's not one to inspire you to get out and ride your bike......mididoctors said:Jonas will put time into pog on the tt
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Most bizarre thing about this was Ned calling it as Poel's biggest career victory. Has the Iain Forfar hierarchy of race prestige been redrawn with Monuments being relegated to chippers or was it maybe just the biggest career moment that Ned had commentated on?================================
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Poels is the oldest Dutch Grand Tour stage winner ever.
The old Sky train are holding up pretty well
Poels (35) stage win
Kwaitkowski (33) stage win
Castroviejo (36) currently 16th on GC
following on from Thomas (37) at the Giro
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Going back almost 20 years, I can't recall disliking a rider as much as I do Jonas Vingegaard Rasmussen. And I tend to have a soft spot for Danes. Even my Danish cycling buddy concedes that he cheers for him because he feels obliged to rather than because of any respect or admiration for him.mididoctors said:
Pog is the more likable racer and remember my analysis is just another asshat on the internet talking s4iteandyrac said:
I hope not; in an era of exciting riders, he's a boring automaton. He's not one to inspire you to get out and ride your bike......mididoctors said:Jonas will put time into pog on the tt
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You do feel they’re a little scared of each other.
Neither, at this point in the race, has the confidence to take it to the other rider.
The problem with racing like this like they have in week two is one of them is gonna regret it once the TT comes.0