TDF 2023: Stage 2:– Vitoria-Gasteiz to San Sebastian, 209km ***Spoilers***
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It’s always going to be an issue if you’re there chasing stages for a rider other than your GC leader. It worked OK for Sky in 2012 but that was a rarity.1
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Pross said:
It’s always going to be an issue if you’re there chasing stages for a rider other than your GC leader. It worked OK for Sky in 2012 but that was a rarity.
The 'Wiggins lead out Cavendish' narrative is a bit of revisionist history. In reality Cavendish spent most of the race frustrated as Sky wouldn't help him. Wiggins did a lead out on stage 19 with only a TT left, a two minute advantage and a teammate in 2nd place.
Interesting Cavendish now regularly says that two was the highlight of his career. I don't think he thought that at the time.Twitter: @RichN950 -
There is virtue in giving WvA a turn for the team cohesion required to win this bl00dy insane race ...it's not strictly binary . Making a effort EVEN if WVA still came second may remove a lot of rancour and stress"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0
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I suppose the difference was Wiggins wasn't expecting cav to pull on the plache de belle filleRichN95. said:Pross said:It’s always going to be an issue if you’re there chasing stages for a rider other than your GC leader. It worked OK for Sky in 2012 but that was a rarity.
The 'Wiggins lead out Cavendish' narrative is a bit of revisionist history. In reality Cavendish spent most of the race frustrated as Sky wouldn't help him. Wiggins did a lead out on stage 19 with only a TT left, a two minute advantage and a teammate in 2nd place.
Interesting Cavendish now regularly says that two was the highlight of his career. I don't think he thought that at the time."If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
It's not clear if this really is a divisive thing anyway ...they are all pros"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0
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Didn't UAE get under jumbos skin lady year for the first week..
Cobbled stage etc."If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
He won 3 stages, crashed on another and had a few classed as flat that had climbs which were a bit too much for him. On one of the supposed sprint stages they managed to get EBH on the podium from a break behind Sagan and Canc. I didn’t mention leadouts just that they managed to win sprint stages despite being there for the GC.RichN95. said:Pross said:It’s always going to be an issue if you’re there chasing stages for a rider other than your GC leader. It worked OK for Sky in 2012 but that was a rarity.
The 'Wiggins lead out Cavendish' narrative is a bit of revisionist history. In reality Cavendish spent most of the race frustrated as Sky wouldn't help him. Wiggins did a lead out on stage 19 with only a TT left, a two minute advantage and a teammate in 2nd place.
Interesting Cavendish now regularly says that two was the highlight of his career. I don't think he thought that at the time.0 -
The problem is that it brings bonus seconds into play for Pogacar. He's already taken eleven seconds. Without the Yateses and Lafay it could have been another 12. It doesn't make sense for Vingegaard to work in Pogacar's interests.mididoctors said:There is virtue in giving WvA a turn for the team cohesion required to win this bl00dy insane race ...it's not strictly binary . Making a effort EVEN if WVA still came second may remove a lot of rancour and stress
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He won't even work in WVA's interests, never mind Pogacar's.RichN95. said:
The problem is that it brings bonus seconds into play for Pogacar. He's already taken eleven seconds. Without the Yateses and Lafay it could have been another 12. It doesn't make sense for Vingegaard to work in Pogacar's interests.mididoctors said:There is virtue in giving WvA a turn for the team cohesion required to win this bl00dy insane race ...it's not strictly binary . Making a effort EVEN if WVA still came second may remove a lot of rancour and stress
The look on his face in the Netflix documentary, when the team was celebrating WVA's stage win seems to me to have taken on a greater significance, today."Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.2 -
Yeah, but that's Netflix editing. Who knows how much of it was true? As Geraint Thomas observed, they made it look as though he was in a battle for the podium with Gaudu, but in reality he beat him by six minutes.blazing_saddles said:<
The look on his face in the Netflix documentary, when the team was celebrating WVA's stage win seems to me to have taken on a greater significance, today.Twitter: @RichN950 -
Bonus seconds were already in play for Pog though weren't they. A happy WvA with a win for the sake of an extra 2 bonus seconds for Pog seems like a reasonable trade0
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But if Yateses/Lafay had been caught and the sprints had remained the same, Pogacar would be 19 seconds ahead of him by now.r0bh said:Bonus seconds were already in play for Pog though weren't they. A happy WvA with a win for the sake of an extra 2 bonus seconds for Pog seems like a reasonable trade
For all we know Van Aert agrees he shouldn't do anything for him.
If he wanted to win he could have attacked and left the chasing to others. Who was going to chase? But he didn't.
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Yebbut WvA will leave (child #2 don't hang in there too long) before the end of the race so JV got a rel complicated script this year for their streamer buddies.0
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One of the ES studio thought Benoot got trapped near the back when another of them mentioned he was in there.[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]0
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I'm not sure Wout is a natural team player.#
I also think that on stages he thinks he can win, he expects the team to work for him with a little support saved for the GC riders.
He was clearly not at all happy as he crossed the line today.
I also think Jonas doesn't expect to have to work for Wout.0 -
My memory is always poor. I seem to recall a banker stage into Pau that they completely ignored.RichN95. said:Pross said:It’s always going to be an issue if you’re there chasing stages for a rider other than your GC leader. It worked OK for Sky in 2012 but that was a rarity.
The 'Wiggins lead out Cavendish' narrative is a bit of revisionist history. In reality Cavendish spent most of the race frustrated as Sky wouldn't help him. Wiggins did a lead out on stage 19 with only a TT left, a two minute advantage and a teammate in 2nd place.
Interesting Cavendish now regularly says that two was the highlight of his career. I don't think he thought that at the time.
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
Are we all forgetting his monster efforts on the cobbles and deep into the final week in the mountains?blazing_saddles said:
He won't even work in WVA's interests, never mind Pogacar's.RichN95. said:
The problem is that it brings bonus seconds into play for Pogacar. He's already taken eleven seconds. Without the Yateses and Lafay it could have been another 12. It doesn't make sense for Vingegaard to work in Pogacar's interests.mididoctors said:There is virtue in giving WvA a turn for the team cohesion required to win this bl00dy insane race ...it's not strictly binary . Making a effort EVEN if WVA still came second may remove a lot of rancour and stress
The look on his face in the Netflix documentary, when the team was celebrating WVA's stage win seems to me to have taken on a greater significance, today.
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Anyway, quality finish. Good stage that, and Lafay, what an attack.
Shades of cancellera heading into Compiegne.0 -
100% and Cav was right to be livid. Why bring him.tailwindhome said:
My memory is always poor. I seem to recall a banker stage into Pau that they completely ignored.RichN95. said:Pross said:It’s always going to be an issue if you’re there chasing stages for a rider other than your GC leader. It worked OK for Sky in 2012 but that was a rarity.
The 'Wiggins lead out Cavendish' narrative is a bit of revisionist history. In reality Cavendish spent most of the race frustrated as Sky wouldn't help him. Wiggins did a lead out on stage 19 with only a TT left, a two minute advantage and a teammate in 2nd place.
Interesting Cavendish now regularly says that two was the highlight of his career. I don't think he thought that at the time.0 -
Only saw the highlights but it looked a fast stage too.
Pog mocking WvA’s bottle throw bahaha. Pog will never be mentally broken.0 -
rick_chasey said:
100% and Cav was right to be livid. Why bring him.tailwindhome said:
My memory is always poor. I seem to recall a banker stage into Pau that they completely ignored.RichN95. said:Pross said:It’s always going to be an issue if you’re there chasing stages for a rider other than your GC leader. It worked OK for Sky in 2012 but that was a rarity.
The 'Wiggins lead out Cavendish' narrative is a bit of revisionist history. In reality Cavendish spent most of the race frustrated as Sky wouldn't help him. Wiggins did a lead out on stage 19 with only a TT left, a two minute advantage and a teammate in 2nd place.
Interesting Cavendish now regularly says that two was the highlight of his career. I don't think he thought that at the time.
Because people have been referencing him being lead out by Wiggins in 2012 when talking about Vingegaard.Twitter: @RichN950 -
Not sure how you have taken this to be in any way critical of WVA, from my post.rick_chasey said:
Are we all forgetting his monster efforts on the cobbles and deep into the final week in the mountains?blazing_saddles said:
He won't even work in WVA's interests, never mind Pogacar's.RichN95. said:
The problem is that it brings bonus seconds into play for Pogacar. He's already taken eleven seconds. Without the Yateses and Lafay it could have been another 12. It doesn't make sense for Vingegaard to work in Pogacar's interests.mididoctors said:There is virtue in giving WvA a turn for the team cohesion required to win this bl00dy insane race ...it's not strictly binary . Making a effort EVEN if WVA still came second may remove a lot of rancour and stress
The look on his face in the Netflix documentary, when the team was celebrating WVA's stage win seems to me to have taken on a greater significance, today.
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"Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
WvA lost it the same reason he doesn’t do as well as he should in one dayers, which is he tries to solve every tactical situation himself.1
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I don’t think that was the case today.rick_chasey said:WvA lost it the same reason he doesn’t do as well as he should in one dayers, which is he tries to solve every tactical situation himself.
Not sure how this relates to your previous post either."Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
It doesn’t really.
It’s ludicrous of him to expect vingers to pull for him
WvA is a top quality domestique even when he spends a lot of additional energy chasing his own wins
He didn’t ride well tactically today and he’s obviously a bad loser so is blaming people around him in the heat of the moment.0
