Giro 2023: Stage 20: Tarvisio – Monte Lussari 18.6 km ITT Half Flat, Half Cliff ***Spoilers***
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Anyone seen a start list with start times?0
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Here you go:chris_ne said:Anyone seen a start list with start times?
https://cyclinguptodate.com/cycling/start-times-order-2023-giro-ditalia-stage-20-time-trial
The ones that count:
116 Laurens de Plus (Bel) Ineos Grenadiers 16:47:00
117 Andreas Leknessund (Nor) Team DSM 16:50:00
118 Lennard Kamna (Ger) Bora-Hansgrohe 16:53:00
119 Thymen Arensman (Ned) Ineos Grenadiers 16:56:00
120 Thibaut Pinot (Fra) Groupama-FDJ 16:59:00
121 Edward Dunbar (Irl) Jayco-AlUla 17:02:00
122 Damiano Caruso (Ita) Bahrain Victorious 17:05:00
123 Joao Pedro Almeida (Por) UAE Team Emirates 17:08:00
124 Primoz Roglic (Slo) Jumbo-Visma 17:11:00
125 Geraint Thomas (GBR) Ineos Grenadiers 17:14:00"Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.1 -
Now the all important Tarvisio weather forecast...............and it's good.
Plus, Contador reckon ride video:
https://espanol.eurosport.com/ciclismo/giro-de-italia/2023/giro-de-italia-2023-el-reconocimiento-de-contador-a-monte-lussari-donde-se-decidira-el-giro-es-durisimo-mamma-mia_vid1918730/video.shtml"Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
Manufacturers will want their TT bikes on displaytailwindhome said:Would it not have been more straightforward to disallow TT bikes?
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Thanks! Didn’t understand a word. But I get the feeling he was saying this was hard and steep. I’d love to climb that route, can’t wait till today’s stage. Get the feeling there could be a few surprisesblazing_saddles said:Now the all important Tarvisio weather forecast...............and it's good.
Plus, Contador reckon ride video:
https://espanol.eurosport.com/ciclismo/giro-de-italia/2023/giro-de-italia-2023-el-reconocimiento-de-contador-a-monte-lussari-donde-se-decidira-el-giro-es-durisimo-mamma-mia_vid1918730/video.shtml0 -
"Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0
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Slightly sceptical that a really steep TT will be a good watch.
Seeing the top riders knackered after 3 weeks grovel up some mega gradients on their own, barely over 10kph, isn’t a top spectacle….2 -
Dan Martin feels it’s a foregone conclusion (if ya know the power to weight anyway)
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You’re right about the can of worms. I think hitting power within 1w is do- able on the flat. It’s impossible to be so precise on such a steep climb when you’ll be in / out the saddle which has many switchbacks. A PM may provide some guidance but as amateur cyclists we tend to think the peloton rely more on their PM’s than they actually do. The peloton will be well used to the saying ride with ‘power’ and not ‘to power’.rick_chasey said:0 -
Lago Fusine is incredibly beautiful, and much less touristy than the more well known Lago di Brais. That area has some wonderful cycling, including the awesome climb of Vrsic with its cobbled corners that was said to have inspired Alp d'Huez with its numbered switchbacks and the Passo Mangart, which I think Pogacar uses regularly.blazing_saddles said:Stage 20: Tarvisio – Monte Lussari 18.6 km ITT
Start Time: 10-30amBST. Finish Time: 5-30pmBST.
Having not yet seen it, but listening to reports and how the trial has been organised, I am not sure there is a place for such a ludicrous time trial in a Grand Tour.
The race will be divided into 3 heats starting at 11:30. The interval between the heats will be 50 minutes after the last rider has reached the finish line. Consequently the time trial will take 7 hours to complete.
Anyhow, it's included, so what to say? The route between Tarvisio and the top of Monte Lussari is 18.6 kilometres long. The first part is gently rolling, the second climbs almost 1000 vertical metres, over 7.3 kilometres at an average of 12.3%, to the line. It includes a 5 km section at 15% average.
The Climb.
The climb snakes through the woods on narrow concrete-surfaced roads with many switchbacks. The first 5 kilometres go up at 15% on average. Once out of the forest, the gradient falls to 3.9%, only to ramp back up again after crossing a bridge.
Final Kms.
In the last 1.5 kilometres the gradient jumps to 22%, then back to 8%, while the gradient reaches 16% in the final 150 metres.
What to Expect.
Pain. With the winner being one of the riders contesting the overall, probably the rider who was the strongest on stage 19.
Tarvisio
Tarvisio is a comune (municipality) in the northeastern part of the autonomous Friuli Venezia Giulia region in Italy. The town is in the Canal Valley (Val Canale) between the Carnic Alps and Karawanks ranges in the north and the Julian Alps in the south. Located at the border with both Austria and Slovenia, Tarvisio and its neighbouring municipalities of Arnoldstein and Kranjska Gora form the tripoint of Romance, Germanic and Slavic Europe.
Tarvisio's roots date back to Roman times. Tarvisio remained a southern exclave of the Prince-Bishopric of Bamberg, until in 1758 the bishop finally sold Tarvisio to the Habsburg Empress Maria Theresa of Austria. Until 1918 it was part of the Duchy of Carinthia, it received town privileges in 1909.
It's perhaps worth noting that the Planica ski jump centre that Roglic famously trained on is about 10km down the road from the start of this stage, so it's quite possible that he's ridden the climb today before.
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I think Dan knows a thing or two more than us tbhwavefront said:
You’re right about the can of worms. I think hitting power within 1w is do- able on the flat. It’s impossible to be so precise on such a steep climb when you’ll be in / out the saddle which has many switchbacks. A PM may provide some guidance but as amateur cyclists we tend to think the peloton rely more on their PM’s than they actually do. The peloton will be well used to the saying ride with ‘power’ and not ‘to power’.rick_chasey said:0 -
I don't believe anyone can judge their power to within a few watts except possibly on a trainer with constant resistance.[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]0
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He was a poor time trialist though. Maybe he couldn't realise when he was on a good or bad day like the best TTers and stuck rigidly to powermeter figures.rick_chasey said:
I think Dan knows a thing or two more than us tbh
For example, here's Tom Dumoilin saying he thought his powermeter was broken when he won the Worlds.
https://cycling.today/tom-dumoulin-i-thought-my-power-meter-was-off-because-it-was-so-high/Twitter: @RichN951 -
Fair point that he may have more insight on how pro riders say they ride or get told to ride.rick_chasey said:
I think Dan knows a thing or two more than us tbhwavefront said:
You’re right about the can of worms. I think hitting power within 1w is do- able on the flat. It’s impossible to be so precise on such a steep climb when you’ll be in / out the saddle which has many switchbacks. A PM may provide some guidance but as amateur cyclists we tend to think the peloton rely more on their PM’s than they actually do. The peloton will be well used to the saying ride with ‘power’ and not ‘to power’.rick_chasey said:
But next time you race, see if you can tell if the guy 45 seconds up the road from you is actually riding to a set power or actually going on feel. And if you’re going slightly over your prescribed 302w but catching him and feeling great, will you drop back to your 302w just to be safe?
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I can't help but think that if the winning time is around 42 minutes and the usual time trial cut off of 25% is used today, that a few riders may not make Rome.
So easy to lose 10 minutes on this beast, if, as many are, badly fatigued.
And we are off...."Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
This house believes that the early coverage on a TT day should follow single riders for longer periods rather than flicking back to someone else coming down the same start ramp.
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So far, the leader by some way at the first check point, is the only rider who didn’t start on a TT bike."Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0
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Has the Benny Hill music started at the swap station yet?
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It looks as if we aren’t going to see much of this climb.
So far we have had only a single shot from the helicopter overhead.
As I wrote this, we get pictures of Milan on the climb."Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.1 -
Already we have a gap of 4 and a half minutes between first and second."Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0
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56'28 from Cav.
Crossing the line 'high fiving' the crowd
Chilled out about time-cuts then“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!1 -
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!1 -
Commentators seem to think we’ll get camera motos later onblazing_saddles said:It looks as if we aren’t going to see much of this climb.
So far we have had only a single shot from the helicopter overhead.
As I wrote this, we get pictures of Milan on the climb.0 -
Milan milking the crowd and you can’t blame him after the race he’s had.0
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Already over 7 and a half minutes between first and last."Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0
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Wouldn’t want to be doing the final 500m making any sort of effort. Very twisty and a rough, bouncy surface not to mention the ramp to the finish. Lucky it’s dry.0
