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Pidcock deserved the 2nd
"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm1 -
Remco is maturing well... He was really bratish at that giro he was supposedly going to win
Fair play remco 🍾"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm3 -
Yes i was put to sleep and given s local for the wrist.Dorset_Boy said:Rick - not sure you meant a general anaesthic as that would mean them putting you to sleep. (My OM was an anaethatist)
You probably mean an extra local to cover a wider area.
It’s quite a long surgery as they need to insert a hollow screw that pulls the scaphoid back together.0 -
It’s like clockwork when he gets dropped in the 260km races. Finds that final 30 just too muchmididoctors said:Pidcock deserved the 2nd
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Or maybe he's just not quite so good as Pog, Remco, MvdP and WvA.rick_chasey said:
It’s like clockwork when he gets dropped in the 260km races. Finds that final 30 just too muchmididoctors said:Pidcock deserved the 2nd
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He is over the shorter distances.r0bh said:
Or maybe he's just not quite so good as Pog, Remco, MvdP and WvA.rick_chasey said:
It’s like clockwork when he gets dropped in the 260km races. Finds that final 30 just too muchmididoctors said:Pidcock deserved the 2nd
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Like cross, where he is usually beaten by MvdP and WvA?rick_chasey said:
He is over the shorter distances.r0bh said:
Or maybe he's just not quite so good as Pog, Remco, MvdP and WvA.rick_chasey said:
It’s like clockwork when he gets dropped in the 260km races. Finds that final 30 just too muchmididoctors said:Pidcock deserved the 2nd
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Well I think he’s a legit contender at 200km.r0bh said:
Like cross, where he is usually beaten by MvdP and WvA?rick_chasey said:
He is over the shorter distances.r0bh said:
Or maybe he's just not quite so good as Pog, Remco, MvdP and WvA.rick_chasey said:
It’s like clockwork when he gets dropped in the 260km races. Finds that final 30 just too muchmididoctors said:Pidcock deserved the 2nd
Like when he won Brabantse Pijl0 -
I do it…seanoconn said:
He is a superman with a pro’s tolerance for pain. Riding full gas out of the saddle with a healing broken wrist? No thanks. Riding knowing another crash and you could be totally f*cked. No thanks. Risky.rick_chasey said:
Well you can turbo on it within a day or two of surgery.seanoconn said:
Pog’s chances for July in your opinion?rick_chasey said:Pog broken scaphoid which needs screwing back together - I had the same (spot the scar - and on the turbo as I broke my shoulder …)
It’s very sore so they give you double general and local anaesthetic so you feel very rough for a couple days.
Within a week you’re in a normal flexi cast and you could do indoor riding if you get it recast regularly so it doesn’t get too sweaty and smelly which I’m sure he can do.
6 weeks in a cast (so for him 4 as he’s a super man) and the. Another 4-8 weeks to get full mobility back.
More of a problem if you smash it up again. Then, to quote my surgeon “it’s properly f@cked and it’s 50-50 if it needs fusing”0 -
Total snooze of a race, mind.
Not much better then the favourites waiting for the last climb like it used to be.1 -
OK, much more complicated than I'd thought. They only put you to sleep if the really have to.rick_chasey said:
Yes i was put to sleep and given s local for the wrist.Dorset_Boy said:Rick - not sure you meant a general anaesthic as that would mean them putting you to sleep. (My OM was an anaethatist)
You probably mean an extra local to cover a wider area.
It’s quite a long surgery as they need to insert a hollow screw that pulls the scaphoid back together.
Do you need a second op to remove the screw?0 -
I think he has a substantially lower FTP, so he rides a higher percentage of his FTP for longer than the others. Empties the tank quicker and he eventually runs out. His outstanding technical abilities allow him to save some watts, which results in him adding some km's to his range, but it isn't enough to stay with the tier1 riders.rick_chasey said:
Well I think he’s a legit contender at 200km.r0bh said:
Like cross, where he is usually beaten by MvdP and WvA?rick_chasey said:
He is over the shorter distances.r0bh said:
Or maybe he's just not quite so good as Pog, Remco, MvdP and WvA.rick_chasey said:
It’s like clockwork when he gets dropped in the 260km races. Finds that final 30 just too muchmididoctors said:Pidcock deserved the 2nd
Like when he won Brabantse PijlPTP Champion 2019, 2022 & 20231 -
He's the first Olympic MTB Champion to get a podium at LBL........
I think for the moment his best discipline is XCO; his light weight isn't a disadvantage unlike in CX, and he has decent enough power to climb better than the others - and has excellent technical skills.All Road/ Gravel: tbcWinter: tbcMTB: tbcRoad: tbc"Look at the time...." "he's fallen like an old lady on a cruise ship..."1 -
And he’s only racing for an hour and half rather than six.andyrac said:He's the first Olympic MTB Champion to get a podium at LBL........
I think for the moment his best discipline is XCO; his light weight isn't a disadvantage unlike in CX, and he has decent enough power to climb better than the others - and has excellent technical skills.0 -
Nope as they’d have to break the bone again to get it out (which rather defeats the point).Dorset_Boy said:
OK, much more complicated than I'd thought. They only put you to sleep if the really have to.rick_chasey said:
Yes i was put to sleep and given s local for the wrist.Dorset_Boy said:Rick - not sure you meant a general anaesthic as that would mean them putting you to sleep. (My OM was an anaethatist)
You probably mean an extra local to cover a wider area.
It’s quite a long surgery as they need to insert a hollow screw that pulls the scaphoid back together.
Do you need a second op to remove the screw?
It’s small enough that they used an MRI to check my wrist as I had a complication afterwards due to some unlucky scaring.
If Pog needs surgery for the scaphoid it’ll be a similar procedure. Depending on where the break is depends if they go in from the top (like mine) or the inside of the wrist.
It only gets blood supply from one end so if it breaks and isn’t held together again one end dies away and you end up with an arthritic wrist.1 -
When MVDP first appeared on the scene, everyone said he'd never win monuments because he didn't have the endurance. I think we forget that Pidcock is still just 23 and has time to address any possible endurance issues.
I'm not convinced getting dropped by Evenepoel today was even an endurance issue, I think he was just gassed after La Redoute then chasing back on. When he rode across to Healy and Buitrago he didn't seem to have any problem with his endurance.2 -
When I looked at the weather forecast and starting list it was clear to me then yesterday pog would likely crash behind a double puncture pot holing honore and have to retire ...hence why I picked Remco.
"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm4 -
I love how this is has become a bone of contentionandyp said:When MVDP first appeared on the scene, everyone said he'd never win monuments because he didn't have the endurance. I think we forget that Pidcock is still just 23 and has time to address any possible endurance issues.
I'm not convinced getting dropped by Evenepoel today was even an endurance issue, I think he was just gassed after La Redoute then chasing back on. When he rode across to Healy and Buitrago he didn't seem to have any problem with his endurance.
"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
I would note that Remco also dropped everyone else in the race. I’m not sure why Pidcock gets such a hard time here.Napoleon, don't be jealous that I've been chatting online with babes all day. Besides, we both know that I'm training to be a cage fighter.8
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Not as much as Rick's wrist.mididoctors said:
I love how this is has become a bone of contentionandyp said:When MVDP first appeared on the scene, everyone said he'd never win monuments because he didn't have the endurance. I think we forget that Pidcock is still just 23 and has time to address any possible endurance issues.
I'm not convinced getting dropped by Evenepoel today was even an endurance issue, I think he was just gassed after La Redoute then chasing back on. When he rode across to Healy and Buitrago he didn't seem to have any problem with his endurance.1 -
For a guy that struggles with distance, that's a decent 2nd place in a huge, long raceWarning No formatter is installed for the format7
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I think he'll be the new Kwiatowski. A very good rider, with enough weapons and racing intelligence to pick up some big results; just a shade behind the very best.gsk82 said:
Because of the hype.gweeds said:I would note that Remco also dropped everyone else in the race. I’m not sure why Pidcock gets such a hard time here.
Although still only 23.0 -
He's only 23 in an era with a 24 year old 2x tdf and 4x monument winner, and a 23 year old world champion who's a grand tour and 2x moment winner though. I've always thought if he wants to match the best on the road he needs to stop doing MTB and cross for anything other than a laugh. MVDP and WvA can manage it because they're more gifted.super_davo said:
I think he'll be the new Kwiatowski. A very good rider, with enough weapons and racing intelligence to pick up some big results; just a shade behind the very best.gsk82 said:
Because of the hype.gweeds said:I would note that Remco also dropped everyone else in the race. I’m not sure why Pidcock gets such a hard time here.
Although still only 23.
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Kind of agree - do cross *if* his coach thinks it's good as part of his programme but preparing for MTB in the road season has to be a disadvantage.gsk82 said:
He's only 23 in an era with a 24 year old 2x tdf and 4x monument winner, and a 23 year old world champion who's a grand tour and 2x moment winner though. I've always thought if he wants to match the best on the road he needs to stop doing MTB and cross for anything other than a laugh. MVDP and WvA can manage it because they're more gifted.super_davo said:
I think he'll be the new Kwiatowski. A very good rider, with enough weapons and racing intelligence to pick up some big results; just a shade behind the very best.gsk82 said:
Because of the hype.gweeds said:I would note that Remco also dropped everyone else in the race. I’m not sure why Pidcock gets such a hard time here.
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Sure but when the suggestion is that he deliberately got dropped to save his legs to race for second, there’s a gap he needs to bridge to be with the best, and I think we all agree he’s with the best sub 200km.No_Ta_Doctor said:For a guy that struggles with distance, that's a decent 2nd place in a huge, long race
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It’s internet commentary at its finest.No_Ta_Doctor said:For a guy that struggles with distance, that's a decent 2nd place in a huge, long race
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When it all came back together behind Remco. Pidcock was along way behind when Healy attacked and got a gap yet Pidcock seemed to get across that gap fairly quickly.
I’ve no explanation why he blows yet can seem to recover to some degree other than he is having to go too deep to follow moves.0 -
Was surprised how few went for Remco on PTP in what always looked like being a two horse race. A few late interlopers jumped on my bandwagon but at least I regain the points lost to most last week.0
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Re scaphoid repair my wife had it done needed a pin and bone graft because the bit that broke off was so small. With hers it was even longer than Rick's - think it was at least 6 months til they were sure it had even worked. She was told if it didn't her wrist would be f*cked.
Hopefully Pog's is at the lesser end of the scale. As Rick says the issue is poor blood supply - it's also a bone that's vulnerable to the hand being bent back when you break your fall so you don't want to crash until it has healed. Perhaps some kind of cast could protect it and mitigate that issue.[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]0
