Weight, health & body image
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Yep.rick_chasey said:OMG guys.
OK. Listen here. If you do a tonne of exercise you will lose weight.
However, study after study after study finds *prescribing excercise does not help people lose weight*
That's why the chief nutritionist at Public Health England and cardiologist adviser to the National Obesity Forum say that, if you want to lose weight, exercise is not the answer, nor is it even the most important factor.
Diet is. End of.
You don't see too many fat builders. There occupation is exercise, that isn't reflective of the majority of society though. Desk and keyboard life style.
When I go out walking or cycling. I don't see the capacity of people who occupy the houses I see out on the roads exercising. I reckon about 1-5%.
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I like how you are ignoring what the actual reports are saying (extract of one above) and are just using the over-simplfed quotes from articles in newspapers.rick_chasey said:I like how you have professionals who look at this for a living saying it's diet, not exercise, and you lot are going "naaaaah"
Gove was right. You have had enough of experts.0 -
Walking is around 100 kcal and hour.0
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I assume that's sarcasm?focuszing723 said:
Yep.rick_chasey said:OMG guys.
OK. Listen here. If you do a tonne of exercise you will lose weight.
However, study after study after study finds *prescribing excercise does not help people lose weight*
That's why the chief nutritionist at Public Health England and cardiologist adviser to the National Obesity Forum say that, if you want to lose weight, exercise is not the answer, nor is it even the most important factor.
Diet is. End of.
You don't see too many fat builders. There occupation is exercise, that isn't reflective of the majority of society though. Desk and keyboard life style.
When I go out walking or cycling. I don't see the capacity of people who occupy the houses I see out on the roads exercising. I reckon about 1-5%.0 -
A standard Mars bar is 230kcal. A couple of hours hours walking to burn that piece of yumpshusnus off.0
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Pross said:
I like how you are ignoring what the actual reports are saying (extract of one above) and are just using the over-simplfed quotes from articles in newspapers.rick_chasey said:I like how you have professionals who look at this for a living saying it's diet, not exercise, and you lot are going "naaaaah"
Gove was right. You have had enough of experts.Dr Asseem Malhotra, cardiologist adviser to the National Obesity Forum, went further: “We know exercising in the right way has many health benefits but weight loss isn’t one of them,” he said. “We need to disassociate obesity with exercise altogether. If we’re going to combat obesity, it’s going to happen purely from changing the food environment.”
I think you are struggling to separate the science and the public policy.
They are not the same. You can crow till the cows come home that if you ride 13hrs a day you'll probably lose weight, but *that is not how you will improve the obesity epidemic*.0 -
I feel like 95% of my disagreements on here are me reading and sharing an expert on something that says something counter-intuitive, and then you lot go "naah, my intuition says this is wrong"
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I wouldn't solely rely on HR as a measurement of accurate calories burned.pblakeney said:
According to Garmin and Strava that is what they report. They will base that on weight and heart rate so my figures will be higher than a lightweight. I also need more Watts.rick_chasey said:lol 800 calories an hour? What are you, riding with a sail or at 50kph?!
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OK, you don't see too many skinny fat builders about do you?Pross said:
I assume that's sarcasm?focuszing723 said:
Yep.rick_chasey said:OMG guys.
OK. Listen here. If you do a tonne of exercise you will lose weight.
However, study after study after study finds *prescribing excercise does not help people lose weight*
That's why the chief nutritionist at Public Health England and cardiologist adviser to the National Obesity Forum say that, if you want to lose weight, exercise is not the answer, nor is it even the most important factor.
Diet is. End of.
You don't see too many fat builders. There occupation is exercise, that isn't reflective of the majority of society though. Desk and keyboard life style.
When I go out walking or cycling. I don't see the capacity of people who occupy the houses I see out on the roads exercising. I reckon about 1-5%.0 -
The thing the study I quoted above does say is that the body's BMR lowers once you exercise over a certain level so if you burn 800 calories an hour cycling it doesn't necessarily mean that you will have a deficit of 2400 for the day after a 3 hour ride as your body adapts its base requirement and you may (for example) only have a 1000 calorie deficit.
This may explain why I don't tend to lose much / any weight when I hit the big weeks in a marathon training schedule as I tend to tell myself that I can eat back all the calories consumed on a 20 mile training run (around 2000) whereas in reality my body has adjust and I only have 1000 spare.0 -
I presume you didn't read my post prior to that one?feelgoodlost said:
I wouldn't solely rely on HR as a measurement of accurate calories burned.pblakeney said:
According to Garmin and Strava that is what they report. They will base that on weight and heart rate so my figures will be higher than a lightweight. I also need more Watts.rick_chasey said:lol 800 calories an hour? What are you, riding with a sail or at 50kph?!
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
If the studies do not reflect my experience then they are not all inclusive.rick_chasey said:I like how you have professionals who look at this for a living saying it's diet, not exercise, and you lot are going "naaaaah"
Gove was right. You have had enough of experts.
I doubt any study can be applied to 100% of the population.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
You didn't read the extract I put up earlier and my summary did you? I don't think anyone is saying exercise alone will solve obesity but your asertion that exercise cannot assist weight loss isn't backed up by the actual study data in the report at least one of your articles links to.rick_chasey said:Pross said:
I like how you are ignoring what the actual reports are saying (extract of one above) and are just using the over-simplfed quotes from articles in newspapers.rick_chasey said:I like how you have professionals who look at this for a living saying it's diet, not exercise, and you lot are going "naaaaah"
Gove was right. You have had enough of experts.Dr Asseem Malhotra, cardiologist adviser to the National Obesity Forum, went further: “We know exercising in the right way has many health benefits but weight loss isn’t one of them,” he said. “We need to disassociate obesity with exercise altogether. If we’re going to combat obesity, it’s going to happen purely from changing the food environment.”
I think you are struggling to separate the science and the public policy.
They are not the same. You can crow till the cows come home that if you ride 13hrs a day you'll probably lose weight, but *that is not how you will improve the obesity epidemic*.0 -
I feel it is more that you read the headline and quote it without actually reading the detail.rick_chasey said:I feel like 95% of my disagreements on here are me reading and sharing an expert on something that says something counter-intuitive, and then you lot go "naah, my intuition says this is wrong"
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I probably average around 150-200 miles a week and would love to be able to say that I can get away with eating what I like but the simple fact is, my body has adapted and become way more efficient than it was when I first started out. It's a tricky balance between fuelling for your efforts, and not going overboard & thinking you 'deserve' treats after big/hard ride. You should be eating more before your ride, not necessarily after. Otherwise, you just feel like crap on the bike because you haven't fuelled properly.
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That's easily explained. Anybody who is left here likes and argument.rick_chasey said:I feel like 95% of my disagreements on here are me reading and sharing an expert on something that says something counter-intuitive, and then you lot go "naah, my intuition says this is wrong"
And generally nobody is wrong it's just we have different perspectives. Experts disagree with experts.0 -
lol I think you're agreeing with me here.pblakeney said:
If the studies do not reflect my experience then they are not all inclusive.rick_chasey said:I like how you have professionals who look at this for a living saying it's diet, not exercise, and you lot are going "naaaaah"
Gove was right. You have had enough of experts.
I doubt any study can be applied to 100% of the population.0 -
I think you are looking at the trees and missing the woodPross said:
I feel it is more that you read the headline and quote it without actually reading the detail.rick_chasey said:I feel like 95% of my disagreements on here are me reading and sharing an expert on something that says something counter-intuitive, and then you lot go "naah, my intuition says this is wrong"
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Step right up! It's the miracle cure we've all been waiting for.https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/exercise/exercise-health-benefits/
It can reduce your risk of major illnesses, such as coronary heart disease, stroke, type 2 diabetes and cancer and lower your risk of early death by up to 30%.
It's free, easy to take, has an immediate effect and you don't need a GP to get some. Its name? Exercise.
This is no snake oil. Whatever your age, there's strong scientific evidence that being physically active can help you lead a healthier and happier life.
People who exercise regularly have a lower risk of developing many long-term (chronic) conditions, such as heart disease, type 2 diabetes, stroke, and some cancers.0 -
For a lot of my life I raced canoe slalom. A normal training session would consist of a 5 minute warm up followed by 4 sets of 5 repetitions of a 20 - 30 second course. A total of 15 minutes exercise in a little over an hour, which I would do 2 or 3 times a week. A weekend's racing consisted of a few 6 x 2 minute runs down the course plus warm ups. Other than that I commuted 4 miles to work about half the time by bike. I never had to watch my weight. Either I am exceptional or there was something about the relatively small time I spent exercising that stopped me from getting fat, Basically I don't buy into the idea that doing exercise doesn't control weight.rick_chasey said:
Sure, I don't doubt that at the extreme ends exercise obviously does, but I think a) cycling is fairly unusual in that you can spend a lot of calories for a long time and b) you do really need to be quite fit to put out enough power to get through the calories enough to be material to your weight.pblakeney said:
Quote as many reports as you like but I lost 3 stone by becoming a born again cyclist without changing my diet. I became a born again cyclist due to noticing I was becoming obese.rick_chasey said:I thought it was pretty much established exercise basically doesn't really lose you weight and it's really all about diet.
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That's a good point.feelgoodlost said:I probably average around 150-200 miles a week and would love to be able to say that I can get away with eating what I like but the simple fact is, my body has adapted and become way more efficient than it was when I first started out. It's a tricky balance between fuelling for your efforts, and not going overboard & thinking you 'deserve' treats after big/hard ride. You should be eating more before your ride, not necessarily after. Otherwise, you just feel like censored on the bike because you haven't fuelled properly.
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Right. So we'll park this as "expert says something counter-intuitive" and "my intuition says otherwise; i'll ignore"davebradswmb said:
For a lot of my life I raced canoe slalom. A normal training session would consist of a 5 minute warm up followed by 4 sets of 5 repetitions of a 20 - 30 second course. A total of 15 minutes exercise in a little over an hour, which I would do 2 or 3 times a week. A weekend's racing consisted of a few 6 x 2 minute runs down the course plus warm ups. Other than that I commuted 4 miles to work about half the time by bike. I never had to watch my weight. Either I am exceptional or there was something about the relatively small time I spent exercising that stopped me from getting fat, Basically I don't buy into the idea that doing exercise doesn't control weight.rick_chasey said:
Sure, I don't doubt that at the extreme ends exercise obviously does, but I think a) cycling is fairly unusual in that you can spend a lot of calories for a long time and b) you do really need to be quite fit to put out enough power to get through the calories enough to be material to your weight.pblakeney said:
Quote as many reports as you like but I lost 3 stone by becoming a born again cyclist without changing my diet. I became a born again cyclist due to noticing I was becoming obese.rick_chasey said:I thought it was pretty much established exercise basically doesn't really lose you weight and it's really all about diet.
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The point is you aren't the norm and HIT exercises burn a lot of calories.davebradswmb said:
For a lot of my life I raced canoe slalom. A normal training session would consist of a 5 minute warm up followed by 4 sets of 5 repetitions of a 20 - 30 second course. A total of 15 minutes exercise in a little over an hour, which I would do 2 or 3 times a week. A weekend's racing consisted of a few 6 x 2 minute runs down the course plus warm ups. Other than that I commuted 4 miles to work about half the time by bike. I never had to watch my weight. Either I am exceptional or there was something about the relatively small time I spent exercising that stopped me from getting fat, Basically I don't buy into the idea that doing exercise doesn't control weight.rick_chasey said:
Sure, I don't doubt that at the extreme ends exercise obviously does, but I think a) cycling is fairly unusual in that you can spend a lot of calories for a long time and b) you do really need to be quite fit to put out enough power to get through the calories enough to be material to your weight.pblakeney said:
Quote as many reports as you like but I lost 3 stone by becoming a born again cyclist without changing my diet. I became a born again cyclist due to noticing I was becoming obese.rick_chasey said:I thought it was pretty much established exercise basically doesn't really lose you weight and it's really all about diet.
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Not disagreeing with your point but I think another thing to take into consideration is age and each individual's metabolism. I'm in my late 30's and I have probably been the same weight (give or take a few lbs) for the last 3 years and have been pretty consistent with my mileage/intensity.davebradswmb said:
For a lot of my life I raced canoe slalom. A normal training session would consist of a 5 minute warm up followed by 4 sets of 5 repetitions of a 20 - 30 second course. A total of 15 minutes exercise in a little over an hour, which I would do 2 or 3 times a week. A weekend's racing consisted of a few 6 x 2 minute runs down the course plus warm ups. Other than that I commuted 4 miles to work about half the time by bike. I never had to watch my weight. Either I am exceptional or there was something about the relatively small time I spent exercising that stopped me from getting fat, Basically I don't buy into the idea that doing exercise doesn't control weight.rick_chasey said:
Sure, I don't doubt that at the extreme ends exercise obviously does, but I think a) cycling is fairly unusual in that you can spend a lot of calories for a long time and b) you do really need to be quite fit to put out enough power to get through the calories enough to be material to your weight.pblakeney said:
Quote as many reports as you like but I lost 3 stone by becoming a born again cyclist without changing my diet. I became a born again cyclist due to noticing I was becoming obese.rick_chasey said:I thought it was pretty much established exercise basically doesn't really lose you weight and it's really all about diet.
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I don't think you look at many builders if you think that is true.focuszing723 said:
Yep.rick_chasey said:OMG guys.
OK. Listen here. If you do a tonne of exercise you will lose weight.
However, study after study after study finds *prescribing excercise does not help people lose weight*
That's why the chief nutritionist at Public Health England and cardiologist adviser to the National Obesity Forum say that, if you want to lose weight, exercise is not the answer, nor is it even the most important factor.
Diet is. End of.
You don't see too many fat builders. There occupation is exercise, that isn't reflective of the majority of society though. Desk and keyboard life style.
When I go out walking or cycling. I don't see the capacity of people who occupy the houses I see out on the roads exercising. I reckon about 1-5%.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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focuszing723 said:
OK, you don't see too many skinny fat builders about do you?Pross said:
I assume that's sarcasm?focuszing723 said:
Yep.rick_chasey said:OMG guys.
OK. Listen here. If you do a tonne of exercise you will lose weight.
However, study after study after study finds *prescribing excercise does not help people lose weight*
That's why the chief nutritionist at Public Health England and cardiologist adviser to the National Obesity Forum say that, if you want to lose weight, exercise is not the answer, nor is it even the most important factor.
Diet is. End of.
You don't see too many fat builders. There occupation is exercise, that isn't reflective of the majority of society though. Desk and keyboard life style.
When I go out walking or cycling. I don't see the capacity of people who occupy the houses I see out on the roads exercising. I reckon about 1-5%.0 -
The whole reality is that diet will have the greatest effect on the general population. Saying exercise will help is true, but the reality is that the general population, especially those that are in the most need of weight reduction won't do anything at the intensity level that will have a significant effect.
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Lets face it, food is on tap. We used to have to hunt or grow it. Some people don't even bother to go out and get it, it get's delivered to their door.0
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Hmmmm...0
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Christ, those biscuits were nice...0
