Paris-Nice 2023 ***Spoilers

rick_chasey

m.r.m. said:

pblakeney said:

rick_chasey said:

f*cking furious the office wifi is down, so no cycling on the ipad for me.

Phone? For future reference.

Yeah WiFi hotspot from the phone could save you there.

Was extremely impressive by Pogacar. He seems to be pretty much the perfect rider. Where other super strong riders often attack too much, he rode this one tactically brilliantly and patiently. Could have closed to within seconds of Vingegaard with the stage win if Vingegaard doesn't crack. Seemed to be willing to just accumulate the bonuses today and be within earshot of the GC win. Took the opportunity when Vingegaard gave him one.

Vingegaard made a minor and a slightly more major mistake imho. The minor one was the initial attack. It could have worked and you only know if you try (in a "smaller" race). That put him quite into the red, but there was some time to recover when Pogacar and he were freewheeling back to the group. The larger (but not terrible and rather understandable) mistake was after Pogacar counterattacked after Gaudu, when he was dropped, but was gaining on Pogacar, he stood up one final time to try and brute force the last 15 m. When you are cracking, but try to eek out that last bit and put yourself even more or into the red again, you blow up. That's why Mäder could then drop him later on and why he shipped so much time. He'd have needed to accept Pogacar is gone and ride within himself to limit the loss. Obviously easier said than done.
While not wanting to drone on endlessly about the physiological side of things, it does seem like Pogacar has elite lactate clearance (like Pidcock and MvdP) and Vingegaard decidedly does not! Pogacar was able to recover almost completely from following Vingegaard's attack while Vingegaard was on a knife's edge the whole time. Maybe Vingegaard is more a Quintana type (super light diesel) and basically needs to be extremely judicious with attacking?

I also think Pog is just more robust in colder weather, and Vingers has a bigger tank which pays dividend over 3 weeks.

Despite the Danish blood I get the feeling Vingers is a hot weather guy.

ocdupalais

JV of JV has a ‘bigger tank’ than Pog? Where did you get that from?

mididoctors

Can fdj step up tactically

mididoctors

This race is a bit piano

kingstongraham

At least they've found the sun.

mididoctors

Sprint chaos

kingstongraham

Kooij takes a win. Been very consistently good.

rick_chasey

ocdupalais said:

JV of JV has a ‘bigger tank’ than Pog? Where did you get that from?

Just seems to go better in 3 weeks.

blazing_saddles

De Lie lost in space again.
His team was completely split and uncoordinated.

rick_chasey

https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/pogacar-disadvantaged-by-bike-sponsor-colnago-says-tom-boonen/

Tadej Pogacar disadvantaged by bike sponsor Colnago, says Tom Boonen

Dirk De Wolf actually kicked the convo off, but they all agreed, and no-one English speaking knows who Dirk De Wolf is.

Pross

rick_chasey said:

https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/pogacar-disadvantaged-by-bike-sponsor-colnago-says-tom-boonen/

Tadej Pogacar disadvantaged by bike sponsor Colnago, says Tom Boonen

Dirk De Wolf actually kicked the convo off, but they all agreed, and no-one English speaking knows who Dirk De Wolf is.

Really? Maybe because he was at his peak when I first started getting into cycling but I certainly know who he is.

pblakeney

I wonder how important aero is if you are on someone else's wheel until the last 1-5 kms.

kingstongraham

pblakeney said:

I wonder how important aero is if you are on someone else's wheel until the last 1-5 kms.

I assumed it is about the tt bike.

pblakeney

kingstongraham said:

pblakeney said:

I wonder how important aero is if you are on someone else's wheel until the last 1-5 kms.

I assumed it is about the tt bike.

But they talk about the V4Rs.
Tbf, it's not the best written article.

rick_chasey

pblakeney said:

kingstongraham said:

pblakeney said:

I wonder how important aero is if you are on someone else's wheel until the last 1-5 kms.

I assumed it is about the tt bike.

But they talk about the V4Rs.
Tbf, it's not the best written article.

Lol well your correspondent happened to listen to said podcast on the train today.

Very much talking about the road bike.

pblakeney

rick_chasey said:

pblakeney said:

kingstongraham said:

pblakeney said:

I wonder how important aero is if you are on someone else's wheel until the last 1-5 kms.

I assumed it is about the tt bike.

But they talk about the V4Rs.
Tbf, it's not the best written article.

Lol well your correspondent happened to listen to said podcast on the train today.

Very much talking about the road bike.

In which case I reiterate my query.

pblakeney said:

I wonder how important aero is if you are on someone else's wheel until the last 1-5 kms.

rick_chasey

pblakeney said:

rick_chasey said:

pblakeney said:

kingstongraham said:

pblakeney said:

I wonder how important aero is if you are on someone else's wheel until the last 1-5 kms.

I assumed it is about the tt bike.

But they talk about the V4Rs.
Tbf, it's not the best written article.

Lol well your correspondent happened to listen to said podcast on the train today.

Very much talking about the road bike.

In which case I reiterate my query.

pblakeney said:

I wonder how important aero is if you are on someone else's wheel until the last 1-5 kms.

Boonen thinks up to a k per hour or sl

pblakeney

rick_chasey said:

pblakeney said:

rick_chasey said:

pblakeney said:

kingstongraham said:

pblakeney said:

I wonder how important aero is if you are on someone else's wheel until the last 1-5 kms.

I assumed it is about the tt bike.

But they talk about the V4Rs.
Tbf, it's not the best written article.

Lol well your correspondent happened to listen to said podcast on the train today.

Very much talking about the road bike.

In which case I reiterate my query.

pblakeney said:

I wonder how important aero is if you are on someone else's wheel until the last 1-5 kms.

Boonen thinks up to a k per hour or sl

I'd like to see his workings for sitting on someone else's wheel.
So would Colnago. From elsewhere...

"Not unnaturally, Colnago strongly refutes such claims (and given Pogacar's current performances, possibly with good cause) and have publicly invited Tom and his podcast friends, to an all-expenses paid trip to Cambiago to test the V4rs bicycles. Following this, they hope to have a conversation about the data that seemingly allowed Boonen to make the 2kph slower claim about Tadej's Colnago vs the rest.

...at the time of writing, Boonen had yet to accept Colnago's generous offer."

rick_chasey

Thin skinned

pblakeney

I imagine any top end bike manufacturer would take umbrage.
As experienced as Boonen is I think he's just talking off the top of his head with no facts.

drhaggis

rick_chasey said:

pblakeney said:

rick_chasey said:

pblakeney said:

kingstongraham said:

pblakeney said:

I wonder how important aero is if you are on someone else's wheel until the last 1-5 kms.

I assumed it is about the tt bike.

But they talk about the V4Rs.
Tbf, it's not the best written article.

Lol well your correspondent happened to listen to said podcast on the train today.

Very much talking about the road bike.

In which case I reiterate my query.

pblakeney said:

I wonder how important aero is if you are on someone else's wheel until the last 1-5 kms.

Boonen thinks up to a k per hour or sl

Let's put things into perspective, and assume just changing the bikes pushes you from 50 to 51 km/h. At that speed the greatest losses are aero. That extra km/h requires saving over 6% of the overall aero drag. Or ~25 W if you need 400 W to hit 50 km/h (ballpark figures). Or maybe the power transfer is shïte. Still, 25 W. Come on, really?

webboo

So a bloke who is riding a crap*ier bike than everyone else has won 2 T de F’s and just handed last years winner his ar$e on a plate.

rick_chasey

I mean, you could just listen to the podcast and take the context into account rather than get arseache

pblakeney

rick_chasey said:

I mean, you could just listen to the podcast and take the context into account rather than get arseache

Who's thin skinned now? 🤣
And I'm not talking about Boonen. #fanboi

andyp

rick_chasey said:

https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/pogacar-disadvantaged-by-bike-sponsor-colnago-says-tom-boonen/

Tadej Pogacar disadvantaged by bike sponsor Colnago, says Tom Boonen

Dirk De Wolf actually kicked the convo off, but they all agreed, and no-one English speaking knows who Dirk De Wolf is.

Pipe down, youngster. I can vividly remember De Wolf winning Liege which was surprising because a) of the company he was with, Rooks and Bernard and b) because up to then he'd been seen as a cobbled classic specialist.

He was also in the winning move at the 1990 Worlds in Japan with the late Rudy Dhaenens and finished second in Roubaix the year before.

rick_chasey

andyp said:

rick_chasey said:

https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/pogacar-disadvantaged-by-bike-sponsor-colnago-says-tom-boonen/

Tadej Pogacar disadvantaged by bike sponsor Colnago, says Tom Boonen

Dirk De Wolf actually kicked the convo off, but they all agreed, and no-one English speaking knows who Dirk De Wolf is.

Pipe down, youngster. I can vividly remember De Wolf winning Liege which was surprising because a) of the company he was with, Rooks and Bernard and b) because up to then he'd been seen as a cobbled classic specialist.

He was also in the winning move at the 1990 Worlds in Japan with the late Rudy Dhaenens and finished second in Roubaix the year before.

Sure. It’s just funny that he made the more decisive comment, Boonen agreed but Boonen gets the headline

andyp

rick_chasey said:

andyp said:

rick_chasey said:

https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/pogacar-disadvantaged-by-bike-sponsor-colnago-says-tom-boonen/

Tadej Pogacar disadvantaged by bike sponsor Colnago, says Tom Boonen

Dirk De Wolf actually kicked the convo off, but they all agreed, and no-one English speaking knows who Dirk De Wolf is.

Pipe down, youngster. I can vividly remember De Wolf winning Liege which was surprising because a) of the company he was with, Rooks and Bernard and b) because up to then he'd been seen as a cobbled classic specialist.

He was also in the winning move at the 1990 Worlds in Japan with the late Rudy Dhaenens and finished second in Roubaix the year before.

Sure. It’s just funny that he made the more decisive comment, Boonen agreed but Boonen gets the headline

Boonen is arguably the most famous Belgian cyclist since Merckx, so is it any surprise that comments he makes hit the headlines more than those made my De Wolf (who is probably only famous amongst over 45s in Aalst).

andyp

Stage 6 shortened with a ceremonial start in the start town, then a 100 km bus transfer to the finishing circuit, where the intention is to do 80 kms to the finish, i.e. two laps of the circuit.

kingstongraham

High winds shorten today here too. Now 80 km only, missing the first 117km of the stage.

mididoctors

andyp said:

Stage 6 shortened with a ceremonial start in the start town, then a 100 km bus transfer to the finishing circuit, where the intention is to do 80 kms to the finish, i.e. two laps of the circuit.

Snow?