Paris-Nice 2023 ***Spoilers

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  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 18,908
    Fdj surprisingly high
    "If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,165
    Lanterne_Rogue said:

    I'm quite enjoying this - a bit more jeopardy and intrigue than the standard TTT

    Agreed, this is good stuff.
  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 18,908
    Jumbo looking solid to pull something out but Jonas is not as explosive in the final
    "If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm
  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 18,908
    Jumbo by 4 secs ...not as big a win as you would expect
    "If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm
  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 18,908
    Jonas Puts ,23 secs into pog
    "If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm
  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 18,908
    Time bonus in this race are going to be crucial
    "If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm
  • Dorset_Boy
    Dorset_Boy Posts: 7,572
    edited March 2023
    mididoctors said:

    Jonas Puts ,23 secs into pog

    So pulls back the 12 seconds he's lost on the first 2 stages and goes 11 seconds ahead of Pog.
  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 18,908
    Ef close no cigar
    "If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm
  • Dorset_Boy
    Dorset_Boy Posts: 7,572
    another strong TTT by EF Education, only 1 second down on Jumbo
  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 18,908
    Cort in yellow though
    "If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm
  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 18,908
    edited March 2023
    Interesting.... Good experimrnt with the format ...it worked
    "If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm
  • andyp
    andyp Posts: 10,553
  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,726
    Interesting to see the different tactics used yesterday. Certainly negated to an extent, the over reliance on having a stacked time trialing troop.

    Looking forward to today’s stage as the parcour guarantee us a Pogacar-Vingegaard showdown.
    It’s also enticing for things to kick off early.
    I don’t expect Pogacar to turn down the opportunity.
    "Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.
  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,726
    Pogacar’s team did a heck of a lot of work for him to gain just 2 bonus seconds.
    Bling takes the 6 seconds and becomes virtual race leader.

    Onto the final climb and so far no fireworks.
    "Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.
  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,726
    Vingegaard attacks and only Pogacar can follow.
    "Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.
  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,726
    Vingegaard cracking….
    "Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.
  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,726
    Gino Mader drops Vingegaard
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  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,726
    Pogacar blew the legs off quite a few GC hopefuls.
    Big gaps.
    "Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,165
    Impressive. Pog puts 44 seconds into Vingegaard in the last 2.5km
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    f*cking furious the office wifi is down, so no cycling on the ipad for me.
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  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,341
    rick_chasey said:

    f*cking furious the office wifi is down, so no cycling on the ipad for me.

    Phone? For future reference.
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  • Dorset_Boy
    Dorset_Boy Posts: 7,572
    kingstongraham said:

    Impressive. Pog puts 44 seconds into Vingegaard in the last 2.5km

    Wow, I thought Pog would go big today, but he's destroyed Vinegar.

  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 18,908
    Jonas tore his own legs off with that attack ..

    Winner we expected just not from that distance out
    "If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm
  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 18,908
    rick_chasey said:

    f*cking furious the office wifi is down, so no cycling on the ipad for me.

    Change jobs ... it's a priority
    "If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm
  • m.r.m.
    m.r.m. Posts: 3,475
    pblakeney said:

    rick_chasey said:

    f*cking furious the office wifi is down, so no cycling on the ipad for me.

    Phone? For future reference.
    Yeah WiFi hotspot from the phone could save you there.

    Was extremely impressive by Pogacar. He seems to be pretty much the perfect rider. Where other super strong riders often attack too much, he rode this one tactically brilliantly and patiently. Could have closed to within seconds of Vingegaard with the stage win if Vingegaard doesn't crack. Seemed to be willing to just accumulate the bonuses today and be within earshot of the GC win. Took the opportunity when Vingegaard gave him one.

    Vingegaard made a minor and a slightly more major mistake imho. The minor one was the initial attack. It could have worked and you only know if you try (in a "smaller" race). That put him quite into the red, but there was some time to recover when Pogacar and he were freewheeling back to the group. The larger (but not terrible and rather understandable) mistake was after Pogacar counterattacked after Gaudu, when he was dropped, but was gaining on Pogacar, he stood up one final time to try and brute force the last 15 m. When you are cracking, but try to eek out that last bit and put yourself even more or into the red again, you blow up. That's why Mäder could then drop him later on and why he shipped so much time. He'd have needed to accept Pogacar is gone and ride within himself to limit the loss. Obviously easier said than done.
    While not wanting to drone on endlessly about the physiological side of things, it does seem like Pogacar has elite lactate clearance (like Pidcock and MvdP) and Vingegaard decidedly does not! Pogacar was able to recover almost completely from following Vingegaard's attack while Vingegaard was on a knife's edge the whole time. Maybe Vingegaard is more a Quintana type (super light diesel) and basically needs to be extremely judicious with attacking?
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  • gsk82
    gsk82 Posts: 3,601
    Its only March. I fear Pogacar will be worn out in July again.
    "Unfortunately these days a lot of people don’t understand the real quality of a bike" Ernesto Colnago
  • m.r.m.
    m.r.m. Posts: 3,475
    He wasn't worn out last July. He was worked over by JV, because he didn't have sufficient support from UAE to help close the Roglic-Vingegaard 1-2.
    PTP Champion 2019, 2022 & 2023
  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 18,908
    edited March 2023
    It was a pretty full on piece of racing
    "If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm
  • ocdupalais
    ocdupalais Posts: 4,317
    m.r.m. said:

    pblakeney said:

    rick_chasey said:

    f*cking furious the office wifi is down, so no cycling on the ipad for me.

    Phone? For future reference.
    Yeah WiFi hotspot from the phone could save you there.

    Was extremely impressive by Pogacar. He seems to be pretty much the perfect rider. Where other super strong riders often attack too much, he rode this one tactically brilliantly and patiently. Could have closed to within seconds of Vingegaard with the stage win if Vingegaard doesn't crack. Seemed to be willing to just accumulate the bonuses today and be within earshot of the GC win. Took the opportunity when Vingegaard gave him one.

    Vingegaard made a minor and a slightly more major mistake imho. The minor one was the initial attack. It could have worked and you only know if you try (in a "smaller" race). That put him quite into the red, but there was some time to recover when Pogacar and he were freewheeling back to the group. The larger (but not terrible and rather understandable) mistake was after Pogacar counterattacked after Gaudu, when he was dropped, but was gaining on Pogacar, he stood up one final time to try and brute force the last 15 m. When you are cracking, but try to eek out that last bit and put yourself even more or into the red again, you blow up. That's why Mäder could then drop him later on and why he shipped so much time. He'd have needed to accept Pogacar is gone and ride within himself to limit the loss. Obviously easier said than done.
    While not wanting to drone on endlessly about the physiological side of things, it does seem like Pogacar has elite lactate clearance (like Pidcock and MvdP) and Vingegaard decidedly does not! Pogacar was able to recover almost completely from following Vingegaard's attack while Vingegaard was on a knife's edge the whole time. Maybe Vingegaard is more a Quintana type (super light diesel) and basically needs to be extremely judicious with attacking?
    I can roll with that analysis 🧐
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Caught up with this. Reminded me of the rules of March - if your top rider is in long sleeves and his rival in short sleeves, he’s gonna have a bad one.
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