The Big 'Let's sell our cars and take buses/ebikes instead' thread (warning: probably very dull)

rick_chasey

briantrumpet said:

Gosh.

https://twitter.com/BrentToderian/status/1622050719636545537

Not the countryside so the forum doesn’t care.

briantrumpet

rick_chasey said:

briantrumpet said:

Gosh.

https://twitter.com/BrentToderian/status/1622050719636545537

Not the countryside so the forum doesn’t care.

You're still misreading the room on this.

Stevo_666

rick_chasey said:

briantrumpet said:

Gosh.

https://twitter.com/BrentToderian/status/1622050719636545537

Not the countryside so the forum doesn’t care.

When are you moving to Central Paris?

rick_chasey

Stevo_666 said:

rick_chasey said:

briantrumpet said:

Gosh.

https://twitter.com/BrentToderian/status/1622050719636545537

Not the countryside so the forum doesn’t care.

When are you moving to Central Paris?

You joke but I am doing more business in Paris than I am in London at the moment.

briantrumpet

To be fair, that grande rue isn't entirely representative of the whole of Paris, but general consensus is that Hidalgo made good use of the pandemic to shift things quite a distance in the right direction, even if the Amsterdam model is some way off.

Stevo_666

rick_chasey said:

Stevo_666 said:

rick_chasey said:

briantrumpet said:

Gosh.

https://twitter.com/BrentToderian/status/1622050719636545537

Not the countryside so the forum doesn’t care.

When are you moving to Central Paris?

You joke but I am doing more business in Paris than I am in London at the moment.

Thats a different matter, but Paris truly is Ricktopia then

Stevo_666

briantrumpet said:

To be fair, that grande rue isn't entirely representative of the whole of Paris, but general consensus is that Hidalgo made good use of the pandemic to shift things quite a distance in the right direction, even if the Amsterdam model is some way off.

Looks like it's the first 4 arrondissements of Central Paris (less than 6 sq km) and only applies to through traffic. Not sure how they are going to enforce that as apparently deliveries, visiting friends and going to use amenities are still allowed.

Stevo_666

And Hidalgo isn't exactly popular with the French. I wonder why?
https://statista.com/statistics/1086154/anne-hidalgo-populairty-france/
Although being a socialist she'll probably just plough on with her agenda anyway.

orraloon

Stevo_666 said:

Although being a socialist she'll probably just plough on with her agenda anyway.

A bit like that socialist the Thick Lizzy then?

Pross

Stevo_666 said:

And Hidalgo isn't exactly popular with the French. I wonder why?
https://statista.com/statistics/1086154/anne-hidalgo-populairty-france/
Although being a socialist she'll probably just plough on with her agenda anyway.

Sometimes that is exactly what is needed. One of the biggest problems in the UK is we elect people but then expect to have a say in all decision making. It’s why it takes decades for any meaningful project to get anyway and when it comes to things like climate and pollution that’s too long.

briantrumpet

'Austerity' has been an ongoing project for quite a long time now, and I'm not sure that that's been terribly popular.

Stevo_666

Pross said:

Stevo_666 said:

And Hidalgo isn't exactly popular with the French. I wonder why?
https://statista.com/statistics/1086154/anne-hidalgo-populairty-france/
Although being a socialist she'll probably just plough on with her agenda anyway.

Sometimes that is exactly what is needed. One of the biggest problems in the UK is we elect people but then expect to have a say in all decision making. It’s why it takes decades for any meaningful project to get anyway and when it comes to things like climate and pollution that’s too long.

May depend what they said in their manifesto etc. People like Hidalgo and sadiq will soon be reminded that motorists have votes and there are a lot of them.

Stevo_666

briantrumpet said:

'Austerity' has been an ongoing project for quite a long time now, and I'm not sure that that's been terribly popular.

Did you post this in the right decade?

briantrumpet

Stevo_666 said:

briantrumpet said:

'Austerity' has been an ongoing project for quite a long time now, and I'm not sure that that's been terribly popular.

Did you post this in the right decade?

Governments do unpopular things. Sometimes in retrospect people realise it was worth it. Time will tell if Hidalgo's legacy (in this case, trying to un-jam Paris) will be viewed more charitably as time goes on.

Pross

Stevo_666 said:

Pross said:

Stevo_666 said:

And Hidalgo isn't exactly popular with the French. I wonder why?
https://statista.com/statistics/1086154/anne-hidalgo-populairty-france/
Although being a socialist she'll probably just plough on with her agenda anyway.

Sometimes that is exactly what is needed. One of the biggest problems in the UK is we elect people but then expect to have a say in all decision making. It’s why it takes decades for any meaningful project to get anyway and when it comes to things like climate and pollution that’s too long.

May depend what they said in their manifesto etc. People like Hidalgo and sadiq will soon be reminded that motorists have votes and there are a lot of them.

I can think of others that applies to who had a huge 80 seat majority (except it isn’t just motorists they’ve annoyed).

rjsterry

Stevo_666 said:

Pross said:

Stevo_666 said:

And Hidalgo isn't exactly popular with the French. I wonder why?
https://statista.com/statistics/1086154/anne-hidalgo-populairty-france/
Although being a socialist she'll probably just plough on with her agenda anyway.

Sometimes that is exactly what is needed. One of the biggest problems in the UK is we elect people but then expect to have a say in all decision making. It’s why it takes decades for any meaningful project to get anyway and when it comes to things like climate and pollution that’s too long.

May depend what they said in their manifesto etc. People like Hidalgo and sadiq will soon be reminded that motorists have votes and there are a lot of them.

Still can't understand why you are so bothered about this when it has no effect on you.

Stevo_666

rjsterry said:

Stevo_666 said:

Pross said:

Stevo_666 said:

And Hidalgo isn't exactly popular with the French. I wonder why?
https://statista.com/statistics/1086154/anne-hidalgo-populairty-france/
Although being a socialist she'll probably just plough on with her agenda anyway.

Sometimes that is exactly what is needed. One of the biggest problems in the UK is we elect people but then expect to have a say in all decision making. It’s why it takes decades for any meaningful project to get anyway and when it comes to things like climate and pollution that’s too long.

May depend what they said in their manifesto etc. People like Hidalgo and sadiq will soon be reminded that motorists have votes and there are a lot of them.

Still can't understand why you are so bothered about this when it has no effect on you.

Just because it doesn't really affect me doesn't mean I can't have an opinion. You don't drive but you have an opinion on cars.

Stevo_666

briantrumpet said:

Stevo_666 said:

briantrumpet said:

'Austerity' has been an ongoing project for quite a long time now, and I'm not sure that that's been terribly popular.

Did you post this in the right decade?

Governments do unpopular things. Sometimes in retrospect people realise it was worth it. Time will tell if Hidalgo's legacy (in this case, trying to un-jam Paris) will be viewed more charitably as time goes on.

Of course these politicians are to going say that its the right thing because its their idea. Doesn't mean they are right.

Stevo_666

Pross said:

Stevo_666 said:

Pross said:

Stevo_666 said:

And Hidalgo isn't exactly popular with the French. I wonder why?
https://statista.com/statistics/1086154/anne-hidalgo-populairty-france/
Although being a socialist she'll probably just plough on with her agenda anyway.

Sometimes that is exactly what is needed. One of the biggest problems in the UK is we elect people but then expect to have a say in all decision making. It’s why it takes decades for any meaningful project to get anyway and when it comes to things like climate and pollution that’s too long.

May depend what they said in their manifesto etc. People like Hidalgo and sadiq will soon be reminded that motorists have votes and there are a lot of them.

I can think of others that applies to who had a huge 80 seat majority (except it isn’t just motorists they’ve annoyed).

True, doesn't change my point point though.

briantrumpet

Stevo_666 said:

briantrumpet said:

Stevo_666 said:

briantrumpet said:

'Austerity' has been an ongoing project for quite a long time now, and I'm not sure that that's been terribly popular.

Did you post this in the right decade?

Governments do unpopular things. Sometimes in retrospect people realise it was worth it. Time will tell if Hidalgo's legacy (in this case, trying to un-jam Paris) will be viewed more charitably as time goes on.

Of course these politicians are to going say that its the right thing because its their idea. Doesn't mean they are right.

That's a killer argument.

Stevo_666

briantrumpet said:

Stevo_666 said:

briantrumpet said:

Stevo_666 said:

briantrumpet said:

'Austerity' has been an ongoing project for quite a long time now, and I'm not sure that that's been terribly popular.

Did you post this in the right decade?

Governments do unpopular things. Sometimes in retrospect people realise it was worth it. Time will tell if Hidalgo's legacy (in this case, trying to un-jam Paris) will be viewed more charitably as time goes on.

Of course these politicians are to going say that its the right thing because its their idea. Doesn't mean they are right.

That's a killer argument.

It'd a good example of how many leftie politicians have a habit of thinking that they know best. They'd probably fit in very well in Cake Stop.

briantrumpet

Stevo_666 said:

briantrumpet said:

Stevo_666 said:

briantrumpet said:

Stevo_666 said:

briantrumpet said:

'Austerity' has been an ongoing project for quite a long time now, and I'm not sure that that's been terribly popular.

Did you post this in the right decade?

Governments do unpopular things. Sometimes in retrospect people realise it was worth it. Time will tell if Hidalgo's legacy (in this case, trying to un-jam Paris) will be viewed more charitably as time goes on.

Of course these politicians are to going say that its the right thing because its their idea. Doesn't mean they are right.

That's a killer argument.

It'd a good example of how many leftie politicians have a habit of thinking that they know best. They'd probably fit in very well in Cake Stop.

Not like rightie politicians think they know best. No, not like Truss at all. No, definitely not. Or Johnson. No, perish the thought.

Just don't look at the Sunday Telegraph and you'll be fine.

rjsterry

Stevo_666 said:

rjsterry said:

Stevo_666 said:

Pross said:

Stevo_666 said:

And Hidalgo isn't exactly popular with the French. I wonder why?
https://statista.com/statistics/1086154/anne-hidalgo-populairty-france/
Although being a socialist she'll probably just plough on with her agenda anyway.

Sometimes that is exactly what is needed. One of the biggest problems in the UK is we elect people but then expect to have a say in all decision making. It’s why it takes decades for any meaningful project to get anyway and when it comes to things like climate and pollution that’s too long.

May depend what they said in their manifesto etc. People like Hidalgo and sadiq will soon be reminded that motorists have votes and there are a lot of them.

Still can't understand why you are so bothered about this when it has no effect on you.

Just because it doesn't really affect me doesn't mean I can't have an opinion. You don't drive but you have an opinion on cars.

I didn't say you couldn't have an opinion; just wondering why you are so against a restriction on certain, mostly pretty old, vehicles. I have an opinion because the pollution directly affects me and my family - I think that's a fairly obvious reason to support it. We do have a car, but one that meets the emissions requirements (which aren't even that onerous) and isn't a diesel.

As regards manifestos, the extension of the ULEZ was in Khan's last manifesto:

A GREEN NEW DEAL
A Green New Deal for the city, with cleaner air, improved open
spaces, green jobs and tackling climate change at its heart, including
extending the ULEZ in October 2021.

Not sure what's unclear about that. There's even been an extra 18 months for people to take advantage of the scrappage scheme.

Stevo_666

rjsterry said:

Stevo_666 said:

rjsterry said:

Stevo_666 said:

Pross said:

Stevo_666 said:

And Hidalgo isn't exactly popular with the French. I wonder why?
https://statista.com/statistics/1086154/anne-hidalgo-populairty-france/
Although being a socialist she'll probably just plough on with her agenda anyway.

Sometimes that is exactly what is needed. One of the biggest problems in the UK is we elect people but then expect to have a say in all decision making. It’s why it takes decades for any meaningful project to get anyway and when it comes to things like climate and pollution that’s too long.

May depend what they said in their manifesto etc. People like Hidalgo and sadiq will soon be reminded that motorists have votes and there are a lot of them.

Still can't understand why you are so bothered about this when it has no effect on you.

Just because it doesn't really affect me doesn't mean I can't have an opinion. You don't drive but you have an opinion on cars.

I didn't say you couldn't have an opinion; just wondering why you are so against a restriction on certain, mostly pretty old, vehicles. I have an opinion because the pollution directly affects me and my family - I think that's a fairly obvious reason to support it. We do have a car, but one that meets the emissions requirements (which aren't even that onerous) and isn't a diesel.

As regards manifestos, the extension of the ULEZ was in Khan's last manifesto:

A GREEN NEW DEAL
A Green New Deal for the city, with cleaner air, improved open
spaces, green jobs and tackling climate change at its heart, including
extending the ULEZ in October 2021.

Not sure what's unclear about that. There's even been an extra 18 months for people to take advantage of the scrappage scheme.

The ULEZ extension in 2021 was from the original boundaries in central London to the current North and South Circular boundaries. This latest extension to cover the whole of Greater London is new and pretty major, which may explain the resistance it is encountering.

Ironically I had a diesel runabout which I sold in advance of that last expansion as it was not ULEZ compliant and quite a few of my journeys at the time would have taken me into the zone. I bought a petrol car to replace it which does at best half the mpg and is three times more powerful. But its ULEZ compliant so I clearly did the right thing

Stevo_666

briantrumpet said:

Stevo_666 said:

briantrumpet said:

Stevo_666 said:

briantrumpet said:

Stevo_666 said:

briantrumpet said:

'Austerity' has been an ongoing project for quite a long time now, and I'm not sure that that's been terribly popular.

Did you post this in the right decade?

Governments do unpopular things. Sometimes in retrospect people realise it was worth it. Time will tell if Hidalgo's legacy (in this case, trying to un-jam Paris) will be viewed more charitably as time goes on.

Of course these politicians are to going say that its the right thing because its their idea. Doesn't mean they are right.

That's a killer argument.

It'd a good example of how many leftie politicians have a habit of thinking that they know best. They'd probably fit in very well in Cake Stop.

Not like rightie politicians think they know best. No, not like Truss at all. No, definitely not. Or Johnson. No, perish the thought.

Just don't look at the Sunday Telegraph and you'll be fine.

The leftie politicians are better at attempting to claim the moral high ground. IMO.

kingstongraham

Stevo_666 said:

rjsterry said:

Stevo_666 said:

rjsterry said:

Stevo_666 said:

Pross said:

Stevo_666 said:

And Hidalgo isn't exactly popular with the French. I wonder why?
https://statista.com/statistics/1086154/anne-hidalgo-populairty-france/
Although being a socialist she'll probably just plough on with her agenda anyway.

Sometimes that is exactly what is needed. One of the biggest problems in the UK is we elect people but then expect to have a say in all decision making. It’s why it takes decades for any meaningful project to get anyway and when it comes to things like climate and pollution that’s too long.

May depend what they said in their manifesto etc. People like Hidalgo and sadiq will soon be reminded that motorists have votes and there are a lot of them.

Still can't understand why you are so bothered about this when it has no effect on you.

Just because it doesn't really affect me doesn't mean I can't have an opinion. You don't drive but you have an opinion on cars.

I didn't say you couldn't have an opinion; just wondering why you are so against a restriction on certain, mostly pretty old, vehicles. I have an opinion because the pollution directly affects me and my family - I think that's a fairly obvious reason to support it. We do have a car, but one that meets the emissions requirements (which aren't even that onerous) and isn't a diesel.

As regards manifestos, the extension of the ULEZ was in Khan's last manifesto:

A GREEN NEW DEAL
A Green New Deal for the city, with cleaner air, improved open
spaces, green jobs and tackling climate change at its heart, including
extending the ULEZ in October 2021.

Not sure what's unclear about that. There's even been an extra 18 months for people to take advantage of the scrappage scheme.

The ULEZ extension in 2021 was from the original boundaries in central London to the current North and South Circular boundaries. This latest extension to cover the whole of Greater London is new and pretty major, which may explain the resistance it is encountering.

Ironically I had a diesel runabout which I sold in advance of that last expansion as it was not ULEZ compliant and quite a few of my journeys at the time would have taken me into the zone. I bought a petrol car to replace it which does at best half the mpg and is three times more powerful. But its ULEZ compliant so I clearly did the right thing

You got a car that gives out lower particulate emissions because of ULEZ.

Great stuff 👍

I'm sure Sadiq will be pleased to know it works.

pangolin

Hahahaha. Quality.

rjsterry

Stevo_666 said:

rjsterry said:

Stevo_666 said:

rjsterry said:

Stevo_666 said:

Pross said:

Stevo_666 said:

And Hidalgo isn't exactly popular with the French. I wonder why?
https://statista.com/statistics/1086154/anne-hidalgo-populairty-france/
Although being a socialist she'll probably just plough on with her agenda anyway.

Sometimes that is exactly what is needed. One of the biggest problems in the UK is we elect people but then expect to have a say in all decision making. It’s why it takes decades for any meaningful project to get anyway and when it comes to things like climate and pollution that’s too long.

May depend what they said in their manifesto etc. People like Hidalgo and sadiq will soon be reminded that motorists have votes and there are a lot of them.

Still can't understand why you are so bothered about this when it has no effect on you.

Just because it doesn't really affect me doesn't mean I can't have an opinion. You don't drive but you have an opinion on cars.

I didn't say you couldn't have an opinion; just wondering why you are so against a restriction on certain, mostly pretty old, vehicles. I have an opinion because the pollution directly affects me and my family - I think that's a fairly obvious reason to support it. We do have a car, but one that meets the emissions requirements (which aren't even that onerous) and isn't a diesel.

As regards manifestos, the extension of the ULEZ was in Khan's last manifesto:

A GREEN NEW DEAL
A Green New Deal for the city, with cleaner air, improved open
spaces, green jobs and tackling climate change at its heart, including
extending the ULEZ in October 2021.

Not sure what's unclear about that. There's even been an extra 18 months for people to take advantage of the scrappage scheme.

The ULEZ extension in 2021 was from the original boundaries in central London to the current North and South Circular boundaries. This latest extension to cover the whole of Greater London is new and pretty major, which may explain the resistance it is encountering.

Ironically I had a diesel runabout which I sold in advance of that last expansion as it was not ULEZ compliant and quite a few of my journeys at the time would have taken me into the zone. I bought a petrol car to replace it which does at best half the mpg and is three times more powerful. But its ULEZ compliant so I clearly did the right thing

Good to hear. When we last changed our car we went for petrol as we could see the way the rules were heading and with two asthmatics in the family, a diesel was just a bad idea. Everyone was still trying to sell us a diesel - presumably as they were trying to clear stock that would soon be worth less than they paid for it. That was about 5 or 6 years ago, so not sure people have much to complain about. I'm sure there were some coal merchants that complained about the Clean Air Acts in the 1950s, too.

Stevo_666

kingstongraham said:

Stevo_666 said:

rjsterry said:

Stevo_666 said:

rjsterry said:

Stevo_666 said:

Pross said:

Stevo_666 said:

And Hidalgo isn't exactly popular with the French. I wonder why?
https://statista.com/statistics/1086154/anne-hidalgo-populairty-france/
Although being a socialist she'll probably just plough on with her agenda anyway.

Sometimes that is exactly what is needed. One of the biggest problems in the UK is we elect people but then expect to have a say in all decision making. It’s why it takes decades for any meaningful project to get anyway and when it comes to things like climate and pollution that’s too long.

May depend what they said in their manifesto etc. People like Hidalgo and sadiq will soon be reminded that motorists have votes and there are a lot of them.

Still can't understand why you are so bothered about this when it has no effect on you.

Just because it doesn't really affect me doesn't mean I can't have an opinion. You don't drive but you have an opinion on cars.

I didn't say you couldn't have an opinion; just wondering why you are so against a restriction on certain, mostly pretty old, vehicles. I have an opinion because the pollution directly affects me and my family - I think that's a fairly obvious reason to support it. We do have a car, but one that meets the emissions requirements (which aren't even that onerous) and isn't a diesel.

As regards manifestos, the extension of the ULEZ was in Khan's last manifesto:

A GREEN NEW DEAL
A Green New Deal for the city, with cleaner air, improved open
spaces, green jobs and tackling climate change at its heart, including
extending the ULEZ in October 2021.

Not sure what's unclear about that. There's even been an extra 18 months for people to take advantage of the scrappage scheme.

The ULEZ extension in 2021 was from the original boundaries in central London to the current North and South Circular boundaries. This latest extension to cover the whole of Greater London is new and pretty major, which may explain the resistance it is encountering.

Ironically I had a diesel runabout which I sold in advance of that last expansion as it was not ULEZ compliant and quite a few of my journeys at the time would have taken me into the zone. I bought a petrol car to replace it which does at best half the mpg and is three times more powerful. But its ULEZ compliant so I clearly did the right thing

You got a car that gives out lower particulate emissions because of ULEZ.

Great stuff 👍

I'm sure Sadiq will be pleased to know it works.

No problem for me, I could afford it Which is kind of my point above as many cannot.

Not sure what my current car will do for global warming though.

Stevo_666

rjsterry said:

Stevo_666 said:

rjsterry said:

Stevo_666 said:

rjsterry said:

Stevo_666 said:

Pross said:

Stevo_666 said:

And Hidalgo isn't exactly popular with the French. I wonder why?
https://statista.com/statistics/1086154/anne-hidalgo-populairty-france/
Although being a socialist she'll probably just plough on with her agenda anyway.

Sometimes that is exactly what is needed. One of the biggest problems in the UK is we elect people but then expect to have a say in all decision making. It’s why it takes decades for any meaningful project to get anyway and when it comes to things like climate and pollution that’s too long.

May depend what they said in their manifesto etc. People like Hidalgo and sadiq will soon be reminded that motorists have votes and there are a lot of them.

Still can't understand why you are so bothered about this when it has no effect on you.

Just because it doesn't really affect me doesn't mean I can't have an opinion. You don't drive but you have an opinion on cars.

I didn't say you couldn't have an opinion; just wondering why you are so against a restriction on certain, mostly pretty old, vehicles. I have an opinion because the pollution directly affects me and my family - I think that's a fairly obvious reason to support it. We do have a car, but one that meets the emissions requirements (which aren't even that onerous) and isn't a diesel.

As regards manifestos, the extension of the ULEZ was in Khan's last manifesto:

A GREEN NEW DEAL
A Green New Deal for the city, with cleaner air, improved open
spaces, green jobs and tackling climate change at its heart, including
extending the ULEZ in October 2021.

Not sure what's unclear about that. There's even been an extra 18 months for people to take advantage of the scrappage scheme.

The ULEZ extension in 2021 was from the original boundaries in central London to the current North and South Circular boundaries. This latest extension to cover the whole of Greater London is new and pretty major, which may explain the resistance it is encountering.

Ironically I had a diesel runabout which I sold in advance of that last expansion as it was not ULEZ compliant and quite a few of my journeys at the time would have taken me into the zone. I bought a petrol car to replace it which does at best half the mpg and is three times more powerful. But its ULEZ compliant so I clearly did the right thing

Good to hear. When we last changed our car we went for petrol as we could see the way the rules were heading and with two asthmatics in the family, a diesel was just a bad idea. Everyone was still trying to sell us a diesel - presumably as they were trying to clear stock that would soon be worth less than they paid for it. That was about 5 or 6 years ago, so not sure people have much to complain about. I'm sure there were some coal merchants that complained about the Clean Air Acts in the 1950s, too.

This is the problem with cities you see. However it will be sorted once EVs are the only option. This looks like more of an opportunity for Sadiq to fill his coffers in the meantime. But not with my money.