TDF 2022:- Stage 17: Saint Gaudens - Peyragudes 129.7km ***Spoilers***
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Boo, no GC winning move.================
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Lot of effort for the 4 seconds or whatever it is on time bonuses.0
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Pog from Ving in a slooooooow sprint. McNulty great ride in third, G coming in 2mins down in 4th.0
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And a stage winLanterne_Rogue said:Lot of effort for the 4 seconds or whatever it is on time bonuses.
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I look forward to Hirschi dropping all and sundry on the Hautucam tomorrow.0
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Adams and pidcock right out of it"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0
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Great ride by McNulty.
Jonas has a bungee cord attached to Pog's bike!
Good work by G again, easily the best of the rest.
Good recovery by Bardet too.0 -
Bjerg and McNulty certainly saved themselves for the third week0
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Pog with the sneaky ruse"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0
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Not sure that Contador would have done that there either...josame said:
Because Pog would and this is why we have ourselves another Froome rather than a Bertierick_chasey said:
Why’? Has a decent lead and Pog has a teammate. No senseblazing_saddles said:Jonas needs to liven this stage up
Also think it's a bit unfair on Vingegaard given how they took the jersey in the first place (and on Froome to be fair) - riding to the race situation is smart and doing random high-risk attacks when it's not needed is not smart...2 -
Hmm, Yates COVID? Coughing quite a bit in that interview!================
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Piddles looses 22 minute.
Cue MF."Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.1 -
Definitely getting some rose tinted specs on here, Froome loved to attack when in the lead didn't he? Worth rewatching what went on in 2013 on Ventoux perhaps.. If anything a bit more sense from Pogacar might have put Vingegaard under more pressure the last couple of daysbobmcstuff said:
Not sure that Contador would have done that there either...josame said:
Because Pog would and this is why we have ourselves another Froome rather than a Bertierick_chasey said:
Why’? Has a decent lead and Pog has a teammate. No senseblazing_saddles said:Jonas needs to liven this stage up
Also think it's a bit unfair on Vingegaard given how they took the jersey in the first place (and on Froome to be fair) - riding to the race situation is smart and doing random high-risk attacks when it's not needed is not smart...2 -
It's a general observation (ie what are we gonna get in the years to come from JV, a Froome or a Contador) and the fact that one year was mentioned to highlight Froomes attacking abilities (rather than every year in the case of Bertie) rather makes my pointJtomesgreen said:
Definitely getting some rose tinted specs on here, Froome loved to attack when in the lead didn't he? Worth rewatching what went on in 2013 on Ventoux perhaps.. If anything a bit more sense from Pogacar might have put Vingegaard under more pressure the last couple of daysbobmcstuff said:
Not sure that Contador would have done that there either...josame said:
Because Pog would and this is why we have ourselves another Froome rather than a Bertierick_chasey said:
Why’? Has a decent lead and Pog has a teammate. No senseblazing_saddles said:Jonas needs to liven this stage up
Also think it's a bit unfair on Vingegaard given how they took the jersey in the first place (and on Froome to be fair) - riding to the race situation is smart and doing random high-risk attacks when it's not needed is not smart...
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Froome liked to attack towards the end of MTFs when he was already in the lead I think? But attacking halfway through a stage when you are already in the lead and in a reduced group with your competitors doesn't seem smart - onus is on them to attack from far out in that situation isn't it.Jtomesgreen said:
Definitely getting some rose tinted specs on here, Froome loved to attack when in the lead didn't he? Worth rewatching what went on in 2013 on Ventoux perhaps.. If anything a bit more sense from Pogacar might have put Vingegaard under more pressure the last couple of daysbobmcstuff said:
Not sure that Contador would have done that there either...josame said:
Because Pog would and this is why we have ourselves another Froome rather than a Bertierick_chasey said:
Why’? Has a decent lead and Pog has a teammate. No senseblazing_saddles said:Jonas needs to liven this stage up
Also think it's a bit unfair on Vingegaard given how they took the jersey in the first place (and on Froome to be fair) - riding to the race situation is smart and doing random high-risk attacks when it's not needed is not smart...
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josame said:
Because Pog would and this is why we have ourselves another Froome rather than a Bertierick_chasey said:
Why’? Has a decent lead and Pog has a teammate. No senseblazing_saddles said:Jonas needs to liven this stage up
A reminder here that the only stage Contador won in the Yellow Jersey was a time trial. I can't remember him ever attacking while wearing it. Meanwhile Froome won two mountain top finishes solo. He also came second to Sagan attacking into a crosswind.Twitter: @RichN953 -
....'Do not compare your bike to others, for always there will be greater and lesser bikes'0
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Well that was better than expected - just needed more Pogacar attacks in the final few Kms but all in I was expecting a much more controlled stage.
I hope Bardet can get a bit of time tomorrow he seems to have been willing to give it a go.[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]0 -
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Fabio Jakobsen made the time cut by 16 seconds. His teammates were on the line to
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You're getting tedious now.phreak said:Must have been a tailwind or something
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Ullrich, Pantani and Virenque duelling away are going to be faster than McNulty doing the time trial of his life.phreak said:Must have been a tailwind or something
Do you know much about bike racing.0 -
So we just blindly accept everything in pro cycling these days and become like tennis fans? Nothing strange to see here when a domestique rides from the dead and goes quicker than Pantani. You should get yourself a Billy can in Lourdes tomorrow.Pross said:
You're getting tedious now.phreak said:Must have been a tailwind or something
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phreak said:
So we just blindly accept everything in pro cycling these days and become like tennis fans? Nothing strange to see here when a domestique rides from the dead and goes quicker than Pantani. You should get yourself a Billy can in Lourdes tomorrow.
The one who is accepting things blindly is you. Have you had a look to see what actually happened in 1997? Because I have.
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Oh yeah, and one of those.rick_chasey said:
And a stage winLanterne_Rogue said:Lot of effort for the 4 seconds or whatever it is on time bonuses.
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I remember that stage as one in which Festina used their numbers against Telekom, managing to gap Riis with only Ullrich, Virenque and Pantani able to follow. Ultimately Brochard got back on on the descent and went straight past to win as Ullrich was by then still waiting up for Riis. It was also the day before he went loco on Arcalis.RichN95. said:phreak said:
So we just blindly accept everything in pro cycling these days and become like tennis fans? Nothing strange to see here when a domestique rides from the dead and goes quicker than Pantani. You should get yourself a Billy can in Lourdes tomorrow.
The one who is accepting things blindly is you. Have you had a look to see what actually happened in 1997? Because I have.0 -
This is like an even more boring version of Sky. Except it's classic riders doing the damage up 1st cat climbs. Imagine.
Fair play to Pog, Vin will be the least interesting or worthy winner of the Tour imo. Boring tedious stuff from Jumbo. Who are a super power version of Sky, who pale in even their best.0 -
Ullrich rides most of the climb on the front of a group of six or seven, protecting Riis. There are no attacks. No-one looks in trouble. Two minutes from the top Virenque attacks and Riis loses 30s in two minutes. They clearly weren't riding particularly hard for most of it.phreak said:
I remember that stage as one in which Festina used their numbers against Telekom, managing to gap Riis with only Ullrich, Virenque and Pantani able to follow. Ultimately Brochard got back on on the descent and went straight past to win as Ullrich was by then still waiting up for Riis. It was also the day before he went loco on Arcalis.
That's a the thing with these climb times. They are not like 100m races. They are all different and all have different context. Blindly ignoring that to suggest doping is either stupid or dishonest.Twitter: @RichN950 -
There were no attacks perhaps because of the pace Ullrich was going though. Earlier in the stage Festina had been using Brochard, Dufaux et al to set a really strong pace so they weren't hanging around by any means. I get that the climbs are seldom time trials and therefore comparing like with like, the fact that UAE pulled two domestiques out of nowhere to shred the entire peloton over 3 climbs is notable as you can't really say they were saving it for the Pyrenees or something when Pogacar has quite probably lost the race on climbs earlier on when they were nowhere to be seen. It was an incredible pair of performances today.RichN95. said:
Ullrich rides most of the climb on the front of a group of six or seven, protecting Riis. There are no attacks. No-one looks in trouble. Two minutes from the top Virenque attacks and Riis loses 30s in two minutes. They clearly weren't riding particularly hard for most of it.phreak said:
I remember that stage as one in which Festina used their numbers against Telekom, managing to gap Riis with only Ullrich, Virenque and Pantani able to follow. Ultimately Brochard got back on on the descent and went straight past to win as Ullrich was by then still waiting up for Riis. It was also the day before he went loco on Arcalis.
That's a the thing with these climb times. They are not like 100m races. They are all different and all have different context. Blindly ignoring that to suggest doping is either stupid or dishonest.0
