Are the Iranians terrible at business?
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Yeah it depends from country to country. Dutch only allow dual nationalities until you are 18 and then you need to chose.TheBigBean said:
Every country is different* in the way it deals with it, but generally if you were only Dutch and you were arrested in the UK, then the Dutch embassy would be notified under international law and be able to provide consular support; however, because you are a dual citizen, you would be treated as exclusively British and not necessarily provided embassy contact.rick_chasey said:
In what instance?TheBigBean said:
The Dutch won't be able to save you.rick_chasey said:Sorry, what are you trying to say here?
*Not sure how it works in the UK, but it certainly works like this in many countries including the US.
The exception is the UK and that is a direct result of Brexit as they found it easier to give the Brits in Netherlands just citizenship rather than fannying about with visas and indefinite leave to remain etc.
So I re-commenced my dual nationality during that period. I had previously given up my Dutch nationality in order to be eligible for student loans and avoid paying international university fees here in the UK.
The Dutch particularly pay a lot of attention to where you live compared to other countries so they would know off the bat I haven't been living there.
Having said that, neither nation knows I have the other nationality as no-where do you have to declare it, at least, I've not seen any.0 -
My only Iran story is that on two occasions, in two companies they managed to get a ton of work done for free by refusing to pay when the results of the study were'nt what they wanted to hear (i.e no oil there mate, soz).
In each case the company basically found itself saying, look just tell us what you want to hear and we'll make a study up saying it's true but that never worked...
So if getting stuff for free is good business, then...yep.We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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Many people are dual nationals when they are not allowed to be. The only time you would likely be rumbled is when trying to renew your Dutch passport in the UK (they may ask for evidence of your residency in the UK) or if you gave the wrong passport information for a flight.rick_chasey said:
Yeah it depends from country to country. Dutch only allow dual nationalities until you are 18 and then you need to chose.TheBigBean said:
Every country is different* in the way it deals with it, but generally if you were only Dutch and you were arrested in the UK, then the Dutch embassy would be notified under international law and be able to provide consular support; however, because you are a dual citizen, you would be treated as exclusively British and not necessarily provided embassy contact.rick_chasey said:
In what instance?TheBigBean said:
The Dutch won't be able to save you.rick_chasey said:Sorry, what are you trying to say here?
*Not sure how it works in the UK, but it certainly works like this in many countries including the US.
The exception is the UK and that is a direct result of Brexit as they found it easier to give the Brits in Netherlands just citizenship rather than fannying about with visas and indefinite leave to remain etc.
So I re-commenced my dual nationality during that period. I had previously given up my Dutch nationality in order to be eligible for student loans and avoid paying international university fees here in the UK.
The Dutch particularly pay a lot of attention to where you live compared to other countries so they would know off the bat I haven't been living there.
Having said that, neither nation knows I have the other nationality as no-where do you have to declare it, at least, I've not seen any.
The point is though that negotiating the release of an Iranian national from prison in Iran is a lot harder than a British citizen. That the Iranian person may also be British is irrelevant as it would be in most countries.
Now, of course, it can be argued that the two people recently released were only being held because they were British, but that doesn't change the fact that they were Iranian in Iran, and therefore subject to some somewhat arbitrary laws that may not have applied if they weren't Iranian.
Or, in short, people like Hunt that think it should have sorted out a lot sooner either don't understand or are playing politics.
And people who are dual nationals, really need to understand the limitations.
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that as maybe but she did say that the last 5 foreign ministers, have been utterlyshit, with de pffefel being theshittest..
The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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Didn't we at one point cancel the visas on arrival of three Iranians sent to negotiate the release in return for resolving the outstanding debt? That would suggest that we could have reached an agreement with Iran earlier if we wanted to. The speed at which Truss has reached a resolution would add to that argument.TheBigBean said:
Many people are dual nationals when they are not allowed to be. The only time you would likely be rumbled is when trying to renew your Dutch passport in the UK (they may ask for evidence of your residency in the UK) or if you gave the wrong passport information for a flight.rick_chasey said:
Yeah it depends from country to country. Dutch only allow dual nationalities until you are 18 and then you need to chose.TheBigBean said:
Every country is different* in the way it deals with it, but generally if you were only Dutch and you were arrested in the UK, then the Dutch embassy would be notified under international law and be able to provide consular support; however, because you are a dual citizen, you would be treated as exclusively British and not necessarily provided embassy contact.rick_chasey said:
In what instance?TheBigBean said:
The Dutch won't be able to save you.rick_chasey said:Sorry, what are you trying to say here?
*Not sure how it works in the UK, but it certainly works like this in many countries including the US.
The exception is the UK and that is a direct result of Brexit as they found it easier to give the Brits in Netherlands just citizenship rather than fannying about with visas and indefinite leave to remain etc.
So I re-commenced my dual nationality during that period. I had previously given up my Dutch nationality in order to be eligible for student loans and avoid paying international university fees here in the UK.
The Dutch particularly pay a lot of attention to where you live compared to other countries so they would know off the bat I haven't been living there.
Having said that, neither nation knows I have the other nationality as no-where do you have to declare it, at least, I've not seen any.
The point is though that negotiating the release of an Iranian national from prison in Iran is a lot harder than a British citizen. That the Iranian person may also be British is irrelevant as it would be in most countries.
Now, of course, it can be argued that the two people recently released were only being held because they were British, but that doesn't change the fact that they were Iranian in Iran, and therefore subject to some somewhat arbitrary laws that may not have applied if they weren't Iranian.
Or, in short, people like Hunt that think it should have sorted out a lot sooner either don't understand or are playing politics.
And people who are dual nationals, really need to understand the limitations.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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Maybe the arrival of yet another British minister convinced the Iranians to get a deal done quickly before they had to go back to square one again with the next clown.rjsterry said:
Didn't we at one point cancel the visas on arrival of three Iranians sent to negotiate the release in return for resolving the outstanding debt? That would suggest that we could have reached an agreement with Iran earlier if we wanted to. The speed at which Truss has reached a resolution would add to that argument.TheBigBean said:
Many people are dual nationals when they are not allowed to be. The only time you would likely be rumbled is when trying to renew your Dutch passport in the UK (they may ask for evidence of your residency in the UK) or if you gave the wrong passport information for a flight.rick_chasey said:
Yeah it depends from country to country. Dutch only allow dual nationalities until you are 18 and then you need to chose.TheBigBean said:
Every country is different* in the way it deals with it, but generally if you were only Dutch and you were arrested in the UK, then the Dutch embassy would be notified under international law and be able to provide consular support; however, because you are a dual citizen, you would be treated as exclusively British and not necessarily provided embassy contact.rick_chasey said:
In what instance?TheBigBean said:
The Dutch won't be able to save you.rick_chasey said:Sorry, what are you trying to say here?
*Not sure how it works in the UK, but it certainly works like this in many countries including the US.
The exception is the UK and that is a direct result of Brexit as they found it easier to give the Brits in Netherlands just citizenship rather than fannying about with visas and indefinite leave to remain etc.
So I re-commenced my dual nationality during that period. I had previously given up my Dutch nationality in order to be eligible for student loans and avoid paying international university fees here in the UK.
The Dutch particularly pay a lot of attention to where you live compared to other countries so they would know off the bat I haven't been living there.
Having said that, neither nation knows I have the other nationality as no-where do you have to declare it, at least, I've not seen any.
The point is though that negotiating the release of an Iranian national from prison in Iran is a lot harder than a British citizen. That the Iranian person may also be British is irrelevant as it would be in most countries.
Now, of course, it can be argued that the two people recently released were only being held because they were British, but that doesn't change the fact that they were Iranian in Iran, and therefore subject to some somewhat arbitrary laws that may not have applied if they weren't Iranian.
Or, in short, people like Hunt that think it should have sorted out a lot sooner either don't understand or are playing politics.
And people who are dual nationals, really need to understand the limitations.0 -
Maybe blaming the UK government for holding a British/Iranian national for the purposes of blackmail needs to be called out for what it is. She was only arrested as she is female and had a young child which piqued UK interest to the benefit of the Iranians. The fact that many on here think that this is the UK governments fault is funny. Have a look on this link to see exactly what they are up to.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_foreign_nationals_detained_in_Iran#List_of_British_permanent_residents
I suppose the flip side is would you be happy if the UK built a prison and then arrested people in a tit for tat basis and allowed the SAS to practice their torture techniques on them. I think this is the only thing places like Iran understand when you have nabbed someone of prominences wife who is probably on a shopping trip to Harrods. A couple of threats of rape/beatings and maybe we could have had her out in a tenth of the time. Not necessarily the view of Britain we wish to portray to the world. I mean for good measure we could just do a Russia and deny we were doing it whilst it was all in plain sight.0 -
Why's she out now, John?0
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Because Iranians decided to let her out. Why is Morad Tahbaz still in detention? Why did Abbas Edalat get released in in 2018 when he had been in for less time than Ratcliffe? Go through the list and provide some insight as to the logical reasons for incarceration's in the first place and then the logic of how and when people get released. Maybe while you are at it you can think about how likely it is that further UK citizens with dual nationality get imprisoned following the link between paying 400 million and this case that everyone seems to be making. Its not like their jails cost 40k per year per prisoner to keep them in.kingstongraham said:Why's she out now, John?
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So you're saying it's most likely just a coincidence that the UK found a way to repay the debt and she got released at about the same time?john80 said:
Because Iranians decided to let her out. Why is Morad Tahbaz still in detention? Why did Abbas Edalat get released in in 2018 when he had been in for less time than Ratcliffe? Go through the list and provide some insight as to the logical reasons for incarceration's in the first place and then the logic of how and when people get released. Maybe while you are at it you can think about how likely it is that further UK citizens with dual nationality get imprisoned following the link between paying 400 million and this case that everyone seems to be making. Its not like their jails cost 40k per year per prisoner to keep them in.kingstongraham said:Why's she out now, John?
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I suspect the Ukraine war has helped with the speed quite a lot.rjsterry said:
Didn't we at one point cancel the visas on arrival of three Iranians sent to negotiate the release in return for resolving the outstanding debt? That would suggest that we could have reached an agreement with Iran earlier if we wanted to. The speed at which Truss has reached a resolution would add to that argument.TheBigBean said:
Many people are dual nationals when they are not allowed to be. The only time you would likely be rumbled is when trying to renew your Dutch passport in the UK (they may ask for evidence of your residency in the UK) or if you gave the wrong passport information for a flight.rick_chasey said:
Yeah it depends from country to country. Dutch only allow dual nationalities until you are 18 and then you need to chose.TheBigBean said:
Every country is different* in the way it deals with it, but generally if you were only Dutch and you were arrested in the UK, then the Dutch embassy would be notified under international law and be able to provide consular support; however, because you are a dual citizen, you would be treated as exclusively British and not necessarily provided embassy contact.rick_chasey said:
In what instance?TheBigBean said:
The Dutch won't be able to save you.rick_chasey said:Sorry, what are you trying to say here?
*Not sure how it works in the UK, but it certainly works like this in many countries including the US.
The exception is the UK and that is a direct result of Brexit as they found it easier to give the Brits in Netherlands just citizenship rather than fannying about with visas and indefinite leave to remain etc.
So I re-commenced my dual nationality during that period. I had previously given up my Dutch nationality in order to be eligible for student loans and avoid paying international university fees here in the UK.
The Dutch particularly pay a lot of attention to where you live compared to other countries so they would know off the bat I haven't been living there.
Having said that, neither nation knows I have the other nationality as no-where do you have to declare it, at least, I've not seen any.
The point is though that negotiating the release of an Iranian national from prison in Iran is a lot harder than a British citizen. That the Iranian person may also be British is irrelevant as it would be in most countries.
Now, of course, it can be argued that the two people recently released were only being held because they were British, but that doesn't change the fact that they were Iranian in Iran, and therefore subject to some somewhat arbitrary laws that may not have applied if they weren't Iranian.
Or, in short, people like Hunt that think it should have sorted out a lot sooner either don't understand or are playing politics.
And people who are dual nationals, really need to understand the limitations.0 -
From what I've read it was new people on both sides allowing for a reset, plus Truss's political will to get it done. And of course the UK finally paying the debt that an international court said was payable.TheBigBean said:
I suspect the Ukraine war has helped with the speed quite a lot.rjsterry said:
Didn't we at one point cancel the visas on arrival of three Iranians sent to negotiate the release in return for resolving the outstanding debt? That would suggest that we could have reached an agreement with Iran earlier if we wanted to. The speed at which Truss has reached a resolution would add to that argument.TheBigBean said:
Many people are dual nationals when they are not allowed to be. The only time you would likely be rumbled is when trying to renew your Dutch passport in the UK (they may ask for evidence of your residency in the UK) or if you gave the wrong passport information for a flight.rick_chasey said:
Yeah it depends from country to country. Dutch only allow dual nationalities until you are 18 and then you need to chose.TheBigBean said:
Every country is different* in the way it deals with it, but generally if you were only Dutch and you were arrested in the UK, then the Dutch embassy would be notified under international law and be able to provide consular support; however, because you are a dual citizen, you would be treated as exclusively British and not necessarily provided embassy contact.rick_chasey said:
In what instance?TheBigBean said:
The Dutch won't be able to save you.rick_chasey said:Sorry, what are you trying to say here?
*Not sure how it works in the UK, but it certainly works like this in many countries including the US.
The exception is the UK and that is a direct result of Brexit as they found it easier to give the Brits in Netherlands just citizenship rather than fannying about with visas and indefinite leave to remain etc.
So I re-commenced my dual nationality during that period. I had previously given up my Dutch nationality in order to be eligible for student loans and avoid paying international university fees here in the UK.
The Dutch particularly pay a lot of attention to where you live compared to other countries so they would know off the bat I haven't been living there.
Having said that, neither nation knows I have the other nationality as no-where do you have to declare it, at least, I've not seen any.
The point is though that negotiating the release of an Iranian national from prison in Iran is a lot harder than a British citizen. That the Iranian person may also be British is irrelevant as it would be in most countries.
Now, of course, it can be argued that the two people recently released were only being held because they were British, but that doesn't change the fact that they were Iranian in Iran, and therefore subject to some somewhat arbitrary laws that may not have applied if they weren't Iranian.
Or, in short, people like Hunt that think it should have sorted out a lot sooner either don't understand or are playing politics.
And people who are dual nationals, really need to understand the limitations.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
If you are happy to defend a state that does what you describe then crack on. All I ask is that you own your logic. Can I kidnap your loved one then blackmail you into paying for her release. I mean Iran could just follow international norms and they would not have sanctions and the UK would happily sell them sophisticated arms. We were looking for the deal before their actions scuppered it.kingstongraham said:
So you're saying it's most likely just a coincidence that the UK found a way to repay the debt and she got released at about the same time?john80 said:
Because Iranians decided to let her out. Why is Morad Tahbaz still in detention? Why did Abbas Edalat get released in in 2018 when he had been in for less time than Ratcliffe? Go through the list and provide some insight as to the logical reasons for incarceration's in the first place and then the logic of how and when people get released. Maybe while you are at it you can think about how likely it is that further UK citizens with dual nationality get imprisoned following the link between paying 400 million and this case that everyone seems to be making. Its not like their jails cost 40k per year per prisoner to keep them in.kingstongraham said:Why's she out now, John?
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It's not a question of defending them; it's a question of whether our government has done enough to protect its citizens. Actions of both parties have scuppered earlier attempts at a deal. Both parties can be in the wrong.john80 said:
If you are happy to defend a state that does what you describe then crack on. All I ask is that you own your logic. Can I kidnap your loved one then blackmail you into paying for her release. I mean Iran could just follow international norms and they would not have sanctions and the UK would happily sell them sophisticated arms. We were looking for the deal before their actions scuppered it.kingstongraham said:
So you're saying it's most likely just a coincidence that the UK found a way to repay the debt and she got released at about the same time?john80 said:
Because Iranians decided to let her out. Why is Morad Tahbaz still in detention? Why did Abbas Edalat get released in in 2018 when he had been in for less time than Ratcliffe? Go through the list and provide some insight as to the logical reasons for incarceration's in the first place and then the logic of how and when people get released. Maybe while you are at it you can think about how likely it is that further UK citizens with dual nationality get imprisoned following the link between paying 400 million and this case that everyone seems to be making. Its not like their jails cost 40k per year per prisoner to keep them in.kingstongraham said:Why's she out now, John?
1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
She largely ceased to be British though when she entered Iran which is the point I was making.rjsterry said:
It's not a question of defending them; it's a question of whether our government has done enough to protect its citizens. Actions of both parties have scuppered earlier attempts at a deal. Both parties can be in the wrong.john80 said:
If you are happy to defend a state that does what you describe then crack on. All I ask is that you own your logic. Can I kidnap your loved one then blackmail you into paying for her release. I mean Iran could just follow international norms and they would not have sanctions and the UK would happily sell them sophisticated arms. We were looking for the deal before their actions scuppered it.kingstongraham said:
So you're saying it's most likely just a coincidence that the UK found a way to repay the debt and she got released at about the same time?john80 said:
Because Iranians decided to let her out. Why is Morad Tahbaz still in detention? Why did Abbas Edalat get released in in 2018 when he had been in for less time than Ratcliffe? Go through the list and provide some insight as to the logical reasons for incarceration's in the first place and then the logic of how and when people get released. Maybe while you are at it you can think about how likely it is that further UK citizens with dual nationality get imprisoned following the link between paying 400 million and this case that everyone seems to be making. Its not like their jails cost 40k per year per prisoner to keep them in.kingstongraham said:Why's she out now, John?
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I take your point, but clearly her British nationality was relevant or we wouldn't even be discussing the case.TheBigBean said:
She largely ceased to be British though when she entered Iran which is the point I was making.rjsterry said:
It's not a question of defending them; it's a question of whether our government has done enough to protect its citizens. Actions of both parties have scuppered earlier attempts at a deal. Both parties can be in the wrong.john80 said:
If you are happy to defend a state that does what you describe then crack on. All I ask is that you own your logic. Can I kidnap your loved one then blackmail you into paying for her release. I mean Iran could just follow international norms and they would not have sanctions and the UK would happily sell them sophisticated arms. We were looking for the deal before their actions scuppered it.kingstongraham said:
So you're saying it's most likely just a coincidence that the UK found a way to repay the debt and she got released at about the same time?john80 said:
Because Iranians decided to let her out. Why is Morad Tahbaz still in detention? Why did Abbas Edalat get released in in 2018 when he had been in for less time than Ratcliffe? Go through the list and provide some insight as to the logical reasons for incarceration's in the first place and then the logic of how and when people get released. Maybe while you are at it you can think about how likely it is that further UK citizens with dual nationality get imprisoned following the link between paying 400 million and this case that everyone seems to be making. Its not like their jails cost 40k per year per prisoner to keep them in.kingstongraham said:Why's she out now, John?
1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
Truss' political will? mega.rjsterry said:
From what I've read it was new people on both sides allowing for a reset, plus Truss's political will to get it done. And of course the UK finally paying the debt that an international court said was payable.TheBigBean said:
I suspect the Ukraine war has helped with the speed quite a lot.rjsterry said:
Didn't we at one point cancel the visas on arrival of three Iranians sent to negotiate the release in return for resolving the outstanding debt? That would suggest that we could have reached an agreement with Iran earlier if we wanted to. The speed at which Truss has reached a resolution would add to that argument.TheBigBean said:
Many people are dual nationals when they are not allowed to be. The only time you would likely be rumbled is when trying to renew your Dutch passport in the UK (they may ask for evidence of your residency in the UK) or if you gave the wrong passport information for a flight.rick_chasey said:
Yeah it depends from country to country. Dutch only allow dual nationalities until you are 18 and then you need to chose.TheBigBean said:
Every country is different* in the way it deals with it, but generally if you were only Dutch and you were arrested in the UK, then the Dutch embassy would be notified under international law and be able to provide consular support; however, because you are a dual citizen, you would be treated as exclusively British and not necessarily provided embassy contact.rick_chasey said:
In what instance?TheBigBean said:
The Dutch won't be able to save you.rick_chasey said:Sorry, what are you trying to say here?
*Not sure how it works in the UK, but it certainly works like this in many countries including the US.
The exception is the UK and that is a direct result of Brexit as they found it easier to give the Brits in Netherlands just citizenship rather than fannying about with visas and indefinite leave to remain etc.
So I re-commenced my dual nationality during that period. I had previously given up my Dutch nationality in order to be eligible for student loans and avoid paying international university fees here in the UK.
The Dutch particularly pay a lot of attention to where you live compared to other countries so they would know off the bat I haven't been living there.
Having said that, neither nation knows I have the other nationality as no-where do you have to declare it, at least, I've not seen any.
The point is though that negotiating the release of an Iranian national from prison in Iran is a lot harder than a British citizen. That the Iranian person may also be British is irrelevant as it would be in most countries.
Now, of course, it can be argued that the two people recently released were only being held because they were British, but that doesn't change the fact that they were Iranian in Iran, and therefore subject to some somewhat arbitrary laws that may not have applied if they weren't Iranian.
Or, in short, people like Hunt that think it should have sorted out a lot sooner either don't understand or are playing politics.
And people who are dual nationals, really need to understand the limitations.
#frickingbrilliant.The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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just to set the record straight,the SAS don't torture people.john80 said:Maybe blaming the UK government for holding a British/Iranian national for the purposes of blackmail needs to be called out for what it is. She was only arrested as she is female and had a young child which piqued UK interest to the benefit of the Iranians. The fact that many on here think that this is the UK governments fault is funny. Have a look on this link to see exactly what they are up to.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_foreign_nationals_detained_in_Iran#List_of_British_permanent_residents
I suppose the flip side is would you be happy if the UK built a prison and then arrested people in a censored for tat basis and allowed the SAS to practice their torture techniques on them. I think this is the only thing places like Iran understand when you have nabbed someone of prominences wife who is probably on a shopping trip to Harrods. A couple of threats of rape/beatings and maybe we could have had her out in a tenth of the time. Not necessarily the view of Britain we wish to portray to the world. I mean for good measure we could just do a Russia and deny we were doing it whilst it was all in plain sight.
5 and 6 do that..The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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Reading an awful lot into my question there. I think your answer means - no, you don't think it's a coincidence.john80 said:
If you are happy to defend a state that does what you describe then crack on. All I ask is that you own your logic. Can I kidnap your loved one then blackmail you into paying for her release. I mean Iran could just follow international norms and they would not have sanctions and the UK would happily sell them sophisticated arms. We were looking for the deal before their actions scuppered it.kingstongraham said:
So you're saying it's most likely just a coincidence that the UK found a way to repay the debt and she got released at about the same time?john80 said:
Because Iranians decided to let her out. Why is Morad Tahbaz still in detention? Why did Abbas Edalat get released in in 2018 when he had been in for less time than Ratcliffe? Go through the list and provide some insight as to the logical reasons for incarceration's in the first place and then the logic of how and when people get released. Maybe while you are at it you can think about how likely it is that further UK citizens with dual nationality get imprisoned following the link between paying 400 million and this case that everyone seems to be making. Its not like their jails cost 40k per year per prisoner to keep them in.kingstongraham said:Why's she out now, John?
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Quite possibly because she wants it on her card rather than anyone else's, but who cares.MattFalle said:
Truss' political will? mega.rjsterry said:
From what I've read it was new people on both sides allowing for a reset, plus Truss's political will to get it done. And of course the UK finally paying the debt that an international court said was payable.TheBigBean said:
I suspect the Ukraine war has helped with the speed quite a lot.rjsterry said:
Didn't we at one point cancel the visas on arrival of three Iranians sent to negotiate the release in return for resolving the outstanding debt? That would suggest that we could have reached an agreement with Iran earlier if we wanted to. The speed at which Truss has reached a resolution would add to that argument.TheBigBean said:
Many people are dual nationals when they are not allowed to be. The only time you would likely be rumbled is when trying to renew your Dutch passport in the UK (they may ask for evidence of your residency in the UK) or if you gave the wrong passport information for a flight.rick_chasey said:
Yeah it depends from country to country. Dutch only allow dual nationalities until you are 18 and then you need to chose.TheBigBean said:
Every country is different* in the way it deals with it, but generally if you were only Dutch and you were arrested in the UK, then the Dutch embassy would be notified under international law and be able to provide consular support; however, because you are a dual citizen, you would be treated as exclusively British and not necessarily provided embassy contact.rick_chasey said:
In what instance?TheBigBean said:
The Dutch won't be able to save you.rick_chasey said:Sorry, what are you trying to say here?
*Not sure how it works in the UK, but it certainly works like this in many countries including the US.
The exception is the UK and that is a direct result of Brexit as they found it easier to give the Brits in Netherlands just citizenship rather than fannying about with visas and indefinite leave to remain etc.
So I re-commenced my dual nationality during that period. I had previously given up my Dutch nationality in order to be eligible for student loans and avoid paying international university fees here in the UK.
The Dutch particularly pay a lot of attention to where you live compared to other countries so they would know off the bat I haven't been living there.
Having said that, neither nation knows I have the other nationality as no-where do you have to declare it, at least, I've not seen any.
The point is though that negotiating the release of an Iranian national from prison in Iran is a lot harder than a British citizen. That the Iranian person may also be British is irrelevant as it would be in most countries.
Now, of course, it can be argued that the two people recently released were only being held because they were British, but that doesn't change the fact that they were Iranian in Iran, and therefore subject to some somewhat arbitrary laws that may not have applied if they weren't Iranian.
Or, in short, people like Hunt that think it should have sorted out a lot sooner either don't understand or are playing politics.
And people who are dual nationals, really need to understand the limitations.
#frickingbrilliant1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
That's the only thing you want to correct?MattFalle said:
just to set the record straight,the SAS don't torture people.john80 said:Maybe blaming the UK government for holding a British/Iranian national for the purposes of blackmail needs to be called out for what it is. She was only arrested as she is female and had a young child which piqued UK interest to the benefit of the Iranians. The fact that many on here think that this is the UK governments fault is funny. Have a look on this link to see exactly what they are up to.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_foreign_nationals_detained_in_Iran#List_of_British_permanent_residents
I suppose the flip side is would you be happy if the UK built a prison and then arrested people in a censored for tat basis and allowed the SAS to practice their torture techniques on them. I think this is the only thing places like Iran understand when you have nabbed someone of prominences wife who is probably on a shopping trip to Harrods. A couple of threats of rape/beatings and maybe we could have had her out in a tenth of the time. Not necessarily the view of Britain we wish to portray to the world. I mean for good measure we could just do a Russia and deny we were doing it whilst it was all in plain sight.
5 and 6 do that.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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Good news is she is mental enough to believe that if only the government had paid out the 400 million when her captors said the reasoning in week two or three it would just have been like a tour operator going bust in terms of inconvenience. The woman is deluded.0
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seriously?john80 said:Good news is she is mental enough to believe that if only the government had paid out the 400 million when her captors said the reasoning in week two or three it would just have been like a tour operator going bust in terms of inconvenience. The woman is deluded.
.The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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Go and read her guardian article. Either they are making her out to be clueless or she is.MattFalle said:
seriously?john80 said:Good news is she is mental enough to believe that if only the government had paid out the 400 million when her captors said the reasoning in week two or three it would just have been like a tour operator going bust in terms of inconvenience. The woman is deluded.
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Seriously?john80 said:
Go and read her guardian article. Either they are making her out to be clueless or she is.MattFalle said:
seriously?john80 said:Good news is she is mental enough to believe that if only the government had paid out the 400 million when her captors said the reasoning in week two or three it would just have been like a tour operator going bust in terms of inconvenience. The woman is deluded.
.The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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Just bear with me, and imagine a world where Iran can be wrong for holding her, and our government can also have been incompetent.
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100% on both counts. The FS', especially the turbo belter de pffeffel failed her massively.
she, and everyone else, should mever ever have been put in that position.
i just find John utterly bizarre - the poor lady did years in a shithole and came out fighting.
He'd last 5 minutes.
i'm actually surprised that he hasn't posted that "they should have sent the SAS in".The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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