Cars, cars, cars...
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I read somewhere the following quote
"Make no mistake, the transition to EVs has nothing to do with saving the environment, its for saving the car industry'0 -
THERE. IS. NO. ROAD. TAX.carbonclem said:
More than just EV's. Of our cars, one is exempt (petrol/historic) and two are just £30 a year (diesel/petrol) - the income from road tax must be shrinking massively now?focuszing723 said:It's about time EV's were correctly taxed. Is the UK up $h1t creek or not?
Sometimes. Maybe. Possibly.
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The only real way they can start taxing is a charge per mile. This would neccessitate some form of 'black box' recorder that would log your miles/journey. I don't think the British public would find that too palateable as it would be seen as too intrusive on ones privacy etc. Personally I think it's a good idea. However, my insurance company has a phone app that enables you to record your drive and logs your accelleration and braking etc as well as speed and in what zones. I usually drive like a grandma as I love to eek out every mile possible from a gallon of the devil's juice so I shouldn't have any concerns. Yet I'm still loathe to use the app in case i make some minor indescretion and get clobbered with some premium rise.focuszing723 said:It's about time EV's were correctly taxed. Is the UK up $h1t creek or not?
Sometimes. Maybe. Possibly.
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Until the government realises the future of travel is removing cars from all but the longest journeys to remote locations and replacing them with the right infrastructure for electric bikes and high quality public transport, they will never solve the problem.
As the population increasingly becomes more urban, as it has the last 50 years, the geometrical constraints mean fewer and fewer people will be able to have their own cars.
The solution plainly is to provide adequate infrastructure within those centres to compensate for the lack of cars; the right infrastructure for bikes, large (cargo) and small, as well as local public transport, from busses to trams and even underground, where applicable.
Then for longer journeys we need to move more car journeys to trains, which involves heavy investment.
Ultimately the gov't has managed to get by with transport on the cheap but putting the major burden of the cost of travel onto the car owner. The future conditions do not allow for that, so the transition needs to be made.1 -
Telematics insurance exists already - you can have black boxes retrofitted.photonic69 said:
The only real way they can start taxing is a charge per mile. This would neccessitate some form of 'black box' recorder that would log your miles/journey. I don't think the British public would find that too palateable as it would be seen as too intrusive on ones privacy etc. Personally I think it's a good idea. However, my insurance company has a phone app that enables you to record your drive and logs your accelleration and braking etc as well as speed and in what zones. I usually drive like a grandma as I love to eek out every mile possible from a gallon of the devil's juice so I shouldn't have any concerns. Yet I'm still loathe to use the app in case i make some minor indescretion and get clobbered with some premium rise.focuszing723 said:It's about time EV's were correctly taxed. Is the UK up $h1t creek or not?
A bit annoying if you have to floor it for some reason and you get shafted, as you say.0 -
Meh, WTF. Here's a Rimac Nevera for a couple of million quid.2 -
Tell me what's real?0
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Yeah I know. But I forgot it was Vehicle Excise Duty for a minute.photonic69 said:
THERE. IS. NO. ROAD. TAX.carbonclem said:
More than just EV's. Of our cars, one is exempt (petrol/historic) and two are just £30 a year (diesel/petrol) - the income from road tax must be shrinking massively now?focuszing723 said:It's about time EV's were correctly taxed. Is the UK up $h1t creek or not?
Maybe I'm brainwashed by drivers shouting 'You dont pay no road tax!' at me?
Spoiler - I do, its £30 a month and the car mostly sits at home .... 2020/2021/2022 Metric Century Challenge Winner0 -
Which problem? If you're talking environmental and congestion problems then yes but removing cars will also remove the VED and fuel tax they pay leaving an even bigger hole in the public finances so even less money available to improve active / public transport infrastructure.rick_chasey said:Until the government realises the future of travel is removing cars from all but the longest journeys to remote locations and replacing them with the right infrastructure for electric bikes and high quality public transport, they will never solve the problem.
As the population increasingly becomes more urban, as it has the last 50 years, the geometrical constraints mean fewer and fewer people will be able to have their own cars.
The solution plainly is to provide adequate infrastructure within those centres to compensate for the lack of cars; the right infrastructure for bikes, large (cargo) and small, as well as local public transport, from busses to trams and even underground, where applicable.
Then for longer journeys we need to move more car journeys to trains, which involves heavy investment.
Ultimately the gov't has managed to get by with transport on the cheap but putting the major burden of the cost of travel onto the car owner. The future conditions do not allow for that, so the transition needs to be made.0 -
The way we're gonna live our lives, in terms of the space available and the energy constraints because of climate change, we can't rely on private motor cars being the primary mode of travel. Regardless if they're battery operated or combustion engine operated. Batteries are just a stop gap as they contain a host of problems themselves.0
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Sure but it would leave a massive funding blackhole. £7.2 billion from VED and £26.2 billion from fuel duty is the expected income for 2022/23 apparently with around £12 billion being spent on roads so even if you cancelled the road expenditure (which you obviously can't) you would be £20 billion short and that's without the extra spend to improve other transport options.0
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Most people still call it road tax because if you don't pay it, you can't legally drive your car on the road.carbonclem said:
Yeah I know. But I forgot it was Vehicle Excise Duty for a minute.photonic69 said:
THERE. IS. NO. ROAD. TAX.carbonclem said:
More than just EV's. Of our cars, one is exempt (petrol/historic) and two are just £30 a year (diesel/petrol) - the income from road tax must be shrinking massively now?focuszing723 said:It's about time EV's were correctly taxed. Is the UK up $h1t creek or not?
Maybe I'm brainwashed by drivers shouting 'You dont pay no road tax!' at me? Spoiler - I do, its £30 a month and the car mostly sits at home .... "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Who would decide whether your journey qualifies as long and to a remote location? Would there be a committe and an application process?rick_chasey said:Until the government realises the future of travel is removing cars from all but the longest journeys to remote locations and replacing them with the right infrastructure for electric bikes and high quality public transport, they will never solve the problem.
As the population increasingly becomes more urban, as it has the last 50 years, the geometrical constraints mean fewer and fewer people will be able to have their own cars.
The solution plainly is to provide adequate infrastructure within those centres to compensate for the lack of cars; the right infrastructure for bikes, large (cargo) and small, as well as local public transport, from busses to trams and even underground, where applicable.
Then for longer journeys we need to move more car journeys to trains, which involves heavy investment.
Ultimately the gov't has managed to get by with transport on the cheap but putting the major burden of the cost of travel onto the car owner. The future conditions do not allow for that, so the transition needs to be made."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Unless your car is exempt / zero rated of course.Stevo_666 said:
Most people still call it road tax because if you don't pay it, you can't legally drive your car on the road.carbonclem said:
Yeah I know. But I forgot it was Vehicle Excise Duty for a minute.photonic69 said:
THERE. IS. NO. ROAD. TAX.carbonclem said:
More than just EV's. Of our cars, one is exempt (petrol/historic) and two are just £30 a year (diesel/petrol) - the income from road tax must be shrinking massively now?focuszing723 said:It's about time EV's were correctly taxed. Is the UK up $h1t creek or not?
Maybe I'm brainwashed by drivers shouting 'You dont pay no road tax!' at me? Spoiler - I do, its £30 a month and the car mostly sits at home .... 0 -
Obviously. In that case the road tax is zero and you've already paid...Pross said:
Unless your car is exempt / zero rated of course.Stevo_666 said:
Most people still call it road tax because if you don't pay it, you can't legally drive your car on the road.carbonclem said:
Yeah I know. But I forgot it was Vehicle Excise Duty for a minute.photonic69 said:
THERE. IS. NO. ROAD. TAX.carbonclem said:
More than just EV's. Of our cars, one is exempt (petrol/historic) and two are just £30 a year (diesel/petrol) - the income from road tax must be shrinking massively now?focuszing723 said:It's about time EV's were correctly taxed. Is the UK up $h1t creek or not?
Maybe I'm brainwashed by drivers shouting 'You dont pay no road tax!' at me? Spoiler - I do, its £30 a month and the car mostly sits at home .... "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Can't see a problem round my way. We're not all little worker bees living in city hives.Pross said:
Which problem? If you're talking environmental and congestion problems then yes but removing cars will also remove the VED and fuel tax they pay leaving an even bigger hole in the public finances so even less money available to improve active / public transport infrastructure.rick_chasey said:Until the government realises the future of travel is removing cars from all but the longest journeys to remote locations and replacing them with the right infrastructure for electric bikes and high quality public transport, they will never solve the problem.
As the population increasingly becomes more urban, as it has the last 50 years, the geometrical constraints mean fewer and fewer people will be able to have their own cars.
The solution plainly is to provide adequate infrastructure within those centres to compensate for the lack of cars; the right infrastructure for bikes, large (cargo) and small, as well as local public transport, from busses to trams and even underground, where applicable.
Then for longer journeys we need to move more car journeys to trains, which involves heavy investment.
Ultimately the gov't has managed to get by with transport on the cheap but putting the major burden of the cost of travel onto the car owner. The future conditions do not allow for that, so the transition needs to be made."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Far easier to just call it a vehicle tax which is what it is after all.Stevo_666 said:
Obviously. In that case the road tax is zero and you've already paid...Pross said:
Unless your car is exempt / zero rated of course.Stevo_666 said:
Most people still call it road tax because if you don't pay it, you can't legally drive your car on the road.carbonclem said:
Yeah I know. But I forgot it was Vehicle Excise Duty for a minute.photonic69 said:
THERE. IS. NO. ROAD. TAX.carbonclem said:
More than just EV's. Of our cars, one is exempt (petrol/historic) and two are just £30 a year (diesel/petrol) - the income from road tax must be shrinking massively now?focuszing723 said:It's about time EV's were correctly taxed. Is the UK up $h1t creek or not?
Maybe I'm brainwashed by drivers shouting 'You dont pay no road tax!' at me? Spoiler - I do, its £30 a month and the car mostly sits at home .... 0 -
I'm more bothered about how much it costs rather than a label. But it still amuses me when people get exercised about it being called road tax.Pross said:
Far easier to just call it a vehicle tax which is what it is after all.Stevo_666 said:
Obviously. In that case the road tax is zero and you've already paid...Pross said:
Unless your car is exempt / zero rated of course.Stevo_666 said:
Most people still call it road tax because if you don't pay it, you can't legally drive your car on the road.carbonclem said:
Yeah I know. But I forgot it was Vehicle Excise Duty for a minute.photonic69 said:
THERE. IS. NO. ROAD. TAX.carbonclem said:
More than just EV's. Of our cars, one is exempt (petrol/historic) and two are just £30 a year (diesel/petrol) - the income from road tax must be shrinking massively now?focuszing723 said:It's about time EV's were correctly taxed. Is the UK up $h1t creek or not?
Maybe I'm brainwashed by drivers shouting 'You dont pay no road tax!' at me? Spoiler - I do, its £30 a month and the car mostly sits at home .... "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
I am struggling with the premise that a car is the best option for a long journey.Stevo_666 said:
Who would decide whether your journey qualifies as long and to a remote location? Would there be a committe and an application process?rick_chasey said:Until the government realises the future of travel is removing cars from all but the longest journeys to remote locations and replacing them with the right infrastructure for electric bikes and high quality public transport, they will never solve the problem.
As the population increasingly becomes more urban, as it has the last 50 years, the geometrical constraints mean fewer and fewer people will be able to have their own cars.
The solution plainly is to provide adequate infrastructure within those centres to compensate for the lack of cars; the right infrastructure for bikes, large (cargo) and small, as well as local public transport, from busses to trams and even underground, where applicable.
Then for longer journeys we need to move more car journeys to trains, which involves heavy investment.
Ultimately the gov't has managed to get by with transport on the cheap but putting the major burden of the cost of travel onto the car owner. The future conditions do not allow for that, so the transition needs to be made.0 -
First.Aspect said:
I am struggling with the premise that a car is the best option for a long journey.Stevo_666 said:
Who would decide whether your journey qualifies as long and to a remote location? Would there be a committe and an application process?rick_chasey said:Until the government realises the future of travel is removing cars from all but the longest journeys to remote locations and replacing them with the right infrastructure for electric bikes and high quality public transport, they will never solve the problem.
As the population increasingly becomes more urban, as it has the last 50 years, the geometrical constraints mean fewer and fewer people will be able to have their own cars.
The solution plainly is to provide adequate infrastructure within those centres to compensate for the lack of cars; the right infrastructure for bikes, large (cargo) and small, as well as local public transport, from busses to trams and even underground, where applicable.
Then for longer journeys we need to move more car journeys to trains, which involves heavy investment.
Ultimately the gov't has managed to get by with transport on the cheap but putting the major burden of the cost of travel onto the car owner. The future conditions do not allow for that, so the transition needs to be made.
I think the phrase you're looking for is "I don't accept the premise of the question." That'll take you a long way. Well, about 45 days, anyway.1 -
Depends where you're going, how many people with you, what stuff you're taking with you etc. Try getting from (say) Kent to the Lake District with the family and weeks worth of stuff on public transport. No thanks.First.Aspect said:
I am struggling with the premise that a car is the best option for a long journey.Stevo_666 said:
Who would decide whether your journey qualifies as long and to a remote location? Would there be a committe and an application process?rick_chasey said:Until the government realises the future of travel is removing cars from all but the longest journeys to remote locations and replacing them with the right infrastructure for electric bikes and high quality public transport, they will never solve the problem.
As the population increasingly becomes more urban, as it has the last 50 years, the geometrical constraints mean fewer and fewer people will be able to have their own cars.
The solution plainly is to provide adequate infrastructure within those centres to compensate for the lack of cars; the right infrastructure for bikes, large (cargo) and small, as well as local public transport, from busses to trams and even underground, where applicable.
Then for longer journeys we need to move more car journeys to trains, which involves heavy investment.
Ultimately the gov't has managed to get by with transport on the cheap but putting the major burden of the cost of travel onto the car owner. The future conditions do not allow for that, so the transition needs to be made."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Obviously that's easier the fewer journeys that other people are making by car though, right?Stevo_666 said:
Depends where you're going, how many people with you, what stuff you're taking with you etc. Try getting from (say) Kent to the Lake District with the family and weeks worth of stuff on public transport. No thanks.First.Aspect said:
I am struggling with the premise that a car is the best option for a long journey.Stevo_666 said:
Who would decide whether your journey qualifies as long and to a remote location? Would there be a committe and an application process?rick_chasey said:Until the government realises the future of travel is removing cars from all but the longest journeys to remote locations and replacing them with the right infrastructure for electric bikes and high quality public transport, they will never solve the problem.
As the population increasingly becomes more urban, as it has the last 50 years, the geometrical constraints mean fewer and fewer people will be able to have their own cars.
The solution plainly is to provide adequate infrastructure within those centres to compensate for the lack of cars; the right infrastructure for bikes, large (cargo) and small, as well as local public transport, from busses to trams and even underground, where applicable.
Then for longer journeys we need to move more car journeys to trains, which involves heavy investment.
Ultimately the gov't has managed to get by with transport on the cheap but putting the major burden of the cost of travel onto the car owner. The future conditions do not allow for that, so the transition needs to be made.0 -
First.Aspect said:
Obviously that's easier the fewer journeys that other people are making by car though, right?Stevo_666 said:
Depends where you're going, how many people with you, what stuff you're taking with you etc. Try getting from (say) Kent to the Lake District with the family and weeks worth of stuff on public transport. No thanks.First.Aspect said:
I am struggling with the premise that a car is the best option for a long journey.Stevo_666 said:
Who would decide whether your journey qualifies as long and to a remote location? Would there be a committe and an application process?rick_chasey said:Until the government realises the future of travel is removing cars from all but the longest journeys to remote locations and replacing them with the right infrastructure for electric bikes and high quality public transport, they will never solve the problem.
As the population increasingly becomes more urban, as it has the last 50 years, the geometrical constraints mean fewer and fewer people will be able to have their own cars.
The solution plainly is to provide adequate infrastructure within those centres to compensate for the lack of cars; the right infrastructure for bikes, large (cargo) and small, as well as local public transport, from busses to trams and even underground, where applicable.
Then for longer journeys we need to move more car journeys to trains, which involves heavy investment.
Ultimately the gov't has managed to get by with transport on the cheap but putting the major burden of the cost of travel onto the car owner. The future conditions do not allow for that, so the transition needs to be made.
That's the bit I don't get about drivers in rush hour hating cyclists. They don't seem to realise that we're making their journey faster.0 -
Try heading north from say the Devon or Dorset coast to lets say Manchester using public transport nad then come back to me and explain why a car isn't a hugely better option for the journey.First.Aspect said:
I am struggling with the premise that a car is the best option for a long journey.Stevo_666 said:
Who would decide whether your journey qualifies as long and to a remote location? Would there be a committe and an application process?rick_chasey said:Until the government realises the future of travel is removing cars from all but the longest journeys to remote locations and replacing them with the right infrastructure for electric bikes and high quality public transport, they will never solve the problem.
As the population increasingly becomes more urban, as it has the last 50 years, the geometrical constraints mean fewer and fewer people will be able to have their own cars.
The solution plainly is to provide adequate infrastructure within those centres to compensate for the lack of cars; the right infrastructure for bikes, large (cargo) and small, as well as local public transport, from busses to trams and even underground, where applicable.
Then for longer journeys we need to move more car journeys to trains, which involves heavy investment.
Ultimately the gov't has managed to get by with transport on the cheap but putting the major burden of the cost of travel onto the car owner. The future conditions do not allow for that, so the transition needs to be made.0 -
Oh god. I've unleashed AA routeplannerman.Dorset_Boy said:
Try heading north from say the Devon or Dorset coast to lets say Manchester using public transport nad then come back to me and explain why a car isn't a hugely better option for the journey.First.Aspect said:
I am struggling with the premise that a car is the best option for a long journey.Stevo_666 said:
Who would decide whether your journey qualifies as long and to a remote location? Would there be a committe and an application process?rick_chasey said:Until the government realises the future of travel is removing cars from all but the longest journeys to remote locations and replacing them with the right infrastructure for electric bikes and high quality public transport, they will never solve the problem.
As the population increasingly becomes more urban, as it has the last 50 years, the geometrical constraints mean fewer and fewer people will be able to have their own cars.
The solution plainly is to provide adequate infrastructure within those centres to compensate for the lack of cars; the right infrastructure for bikes, large (cargo) and small, as well as local public transport, from busses to trams and even underground, where applicable.
Then for longer journeys we need to move more car journeys to trains, which involves heavy investment.
Ultimately the gov't has managed to get by with transport on the cheap but putting the major burden of the cost of travel onto the car owner. The future conditions do not allow for that, so the transition needs to be made.0 -
So it’s a question of the quality of the public transport. This is what I’m saying.Dorset_Boy said:
Try heading north from say the Devon or Dorset coast to lets say Manchester using public transport nad then come back to me and explain why a car isn't a hugely better option for the journey.First.Aspect said:
I am struggling with the premise that a car is the best option for a long journey.Stevo_666 said:
Who would decide whether your journey qualifies as long and to a remote location? Would there be a committe and an application process?rick_chasey said:Until the government realises the future of travel is removing cars from all but the longest journeys to remote locations and replacing them with the right infrastructure for electric bikes and high quality public transport, they will never solve the problem.
As the population increasingly becomes more urban, as it has the last 50 years, the geometrical constraints mean fewer and fewer people will be able to have their own cars.
The solution plainly is to provide adequate infrastructure within those centres to compensate for the lack of cars; the right infrastructure for bikes, large (cargo) and small, as well as local public transport, from busses to trams and even underground, where applicable.
Then for longer journeys we need to move more car journeys to trains, which involves heavy investment.
Ultimately the gov't has managed to get by with transport on the cheap but putting the major burden of the cost of travel onto the car owner. The future conditions do not allow for that, so the transition needs to be made.0 -
Dorset_Boy said:
Try heading north from say the Devon or Dorset coast to lets say Manchester using public transport nad then come back to me and explain why a car isn't a hugely better option for the journey.First.Aspect said:
I am struggling with the premise that a car is the best option for a long journey.Stevo_666 said:
Who would decide whether your journey qualifies as long and to a remote location? Would there be a committe and an application process?rick_chasey said:Until the government realises the future of travel is removing cars from all but the longest journeys to remote locations and replacing them with the right infrastructure for electric bikes and high quality public transport, they will never solve the problem.
As the population increasingly becomes more urban, as it has the last 50 years, the geometrical constraints mean fewer and fewer people will be able to have their own cars.
The solution plainly is to provide adequate infrastructure within those centres to compensate for the lack of cars; the right infrastructure for bikes, large (cargo) and small, as well as local public transport, from busses to trams and even underground, where applicable.
Then for longer journeys we need to move more car journeys to trains, which involves heavy investment.
Ultimately the gov't has managed to get by with transport on the cheap but putting the major burden of the cost of travel onto the car owner. The future conditions do not allow for that, so the transition needs to be made.
Or from north to south Devon, for that matter. It's about 2.5 hours by car from Ilfracombe to Salcombe. It looks like there's one chance per day to do it in 4.5 hours by public transport.0 -
Not really. Unless you can match the flexibility and convenience of owning a car, your public transport utopia is pie in the sky.rick_chasey said:
So it’s a question of the quality of the public transport. This is what I’m saying.Dorset_Boy said:
Try heading north from say the Devon or Dorset coast to lets say Manchester using public transport nad then come back to me and explain why a car isn't a hugely better option for the journey.First.Aspect said:
I am struggling with the premise that a car is the best option for a long journey.Stevo_666 said:
Who would decide whether your journey qualifies as long and to a remote location? Would there be a committe and an application process?rick_chasey said:Until the government realises the future of travel is removing cars from all but the longest journeys to remote locations and replacing them with the right infrastructure for electric bikes and high quality public transport, they will never solve the problem.
As the population increasingly becomes more urban, as it has the last 50 years, the geometrical constraints mean fewer and fewer people will be able to have their own cars.
The solution plainly is to provide adequate infrastructure within those centres to compensate for the lack of cars; the right infrastructure for bikes, large (cargo) and small, as well as local public transport, from busses to trams and even underground, where applicable.
Then for longer journeys we need to move more car journeys to trains, which involves heavy investment.
Ultimately the gov't has managed to get by with transport on the cheap but putting the major burden of the cost of travel onto the car owner. The future conditions do not allow for that, so the transition needs to be made."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Fundamentally, the public transport system feeds into and out of London.rick_chasey said:
So it’s a question of the quality of the public transport. This is what I’m saying.Dorset_Boy said:
Try heading north from say the Devon or Dorset coast to lets say Manchester using public transport nad then come back to me and explain why a car isn't a hugely better option for the journey.First.Aspect said:
I am struggling with the premise that a car is the best option for a long journey.Stevo_666 said:
Who would decide whether your journey qualifies as long and to a remote location? Would there be a committe and an application process?rick_chasey said:Until the government realises the future of travel is removing cars from all but the longest journeys to remote locations and replacing them with the right infrastructure for electric bikes and high quality public transport, they will never solve the problem.
As the population increasingly becomes more urban, as it has the last 50 years, the geometrical constraints mean fewer and fewer people will be able to have their own cars.
The solution plainly is to provide adequate infrastructure within those centres to compensate for the lack of cars; the right infrastructure for bikes, large (cargo) and small, as well as local public transport, from busses to trams and even underground, where applicable.
Then for longer journeys we need to move more car journeys to trains, which involves heavy investment.
Ultimately the gov't has managed to get by with transport on the cheap but putting the major burden of the cost of travel onto the car owner. The future conditions do not allow for that, so the transition needs to be made.
So say Bournemouth to Gloucester is simply not practical by public transport and it would be hugely expensive and inefficient to provide public transport between them.
Same could be said of say Exeter to Leicester etc, etc.0 -
Not sure I could see traffic volume changing that decision.First.Aspect said:
Obviously that's easier the fewer journeys that other people are making by car though, right?Stevo_666 said:
Depends where you're going, how many people with you, what stuff you're taking with you etc. Try getting from (say) Kent to the Lake District with the family and weeks worth of stuff on public transport. No thanks.First.Aspect said:
I am struggling with the premise that a car is the best option for a long journey.Stevo_666 said:
Who would decide whether your journey qualifies as long and to a remote location? Would there be a committe and an application process?rick_chasey said:Until the government realises the future of travel is removing cars from all but the longest journeys to remote locations and replacing them with the right infrastructure for electric bikes and high quality public transport, they will never solve the problem.
As the population increasingly becomes more urban, as it has the last 50 years, the geometrical constraints mean fewer and fewer people will be able to have their own cars.
The solution plainly is to provide adequate infrastructure within those centres to compensate for the lack of cars; the right infrastructure for bikes, large (cargo) and small, as well as local public transport, from busses to trams and even underground, where applicable.
Then for longer journeys we need to move more car journeys to trains, which involves heavy investment.
Ultimately the gov't has managed to get by with transport on the cheap but putting the major burden of the cost of travel onto the car owner. The future conditions do not allow for that, so the transition needs to be made."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0
