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  • veronese68
    veronese68 Posts: 27,814
    pinno said:

    focuszing723 said:

    I would love to return to Earth in 1,000 years time.

    What, when there are no humans left?

    He missed the year 2525
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  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 52,317
    ...hear a song coming on...
    seanoconn - gruagach craic!
  • focuszing723
    focuszing723 Posts: 8,151
    In the year 2525...
  • focuszing723
    focuszing723 Posts: 8,151
    In the year 4545
  • focuszing723
    focuszing723 Posts: 8,151
    In the year 5555
  • focuszing723
    focuszing723 Posts: 8,151
    edited August 2022
    In the...

    Yeah, that'll do.
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,697
    Does anyone think the 2030 deadline will actually be a deadline? I just can't see it.

    There's just so, so much infrastructure that needs building beforehand and zero will to do any of it...
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    If you don’t like the morality of getting your oil from places like Saudi, wait until you find out about the wars going on to control the mines that dig out stuff needed for batteries.
    _
  • morstar
    morstar Posts: 6,190
    ddraver said:

    Does anyone think the 2030 deadline will actually be a deadline? I just can't see it.

    There's just so, so much infrastructure that needs building beforehand and zero will to do any of it...

    I have pondered this a few times and the answer is no.

    The infrastructure is increasing at a very gradual rate in urban areas and at an infinitesimally small rate in the countryside.

    The policy has been active for a few years now and there isn’t even empty rhetoric about world class charging infrastructure, let alone significant activity.

    I think it must come to a head in the next 2-3 years as the sales shift is happening faster than the infrastructure to support it.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    rick_chasey said:

    If you don’t like the morality of getting your oil from places like Saudi, wait until you find out about the wars going on to control the mines that dig out stuff needed for batteries.

    Do you think people don’t know that already? As ever the countries that sit on all these valuable resources continue to endure widespread poverty and bloodshed whilst the companies that exploit them and the corrupt leaders get rich. It has been the same for centuries.
  • capt_slog
    capt_slog Posts: 3,973

    "You can't park that here!"


    The older I get, the better I was.

  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,551
    edited August 2022
    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Rage, rage against the dying of the petrol engine! 🙂

    Oh, the spite of the non enthusiast....theyll be around for a fair while longer ;)

    Anyhow, roll on the hydrogen combustion engine. Should I ever need it, that is - a well timed purchase of a good fun petrol car at the end of this decade should take me to an age when I won't really care any more. That, or I'll take good care of my current one and enjoy a classic for a while :)
    Oh don't be so sensitive. I'm just noting the similarities with steam enthusiasts grumbling about how diesels don't have the romance, etc. Everyone needs a hobby.
    I think you know me well enough by now tourmaline I'm not too sensitive :smile: But I do like poking fun at the anti car bores and those who don't have a clue because they don't even own one ;)
    Poke away
    morstar said:

    ddraver said:

    Does anyone think the 2030 deadline will actually be a deadline? I just can't see it.

    There's just so, so much infrastructure that needs building beforehand and zero will to do any of it...

    I have pondered this a few times and the answer is no.

    The infrastructure is increasing at a very gradual rate in urban areas and at an infinitesimally small rate in the countryside.

    The policy has been active for a few years now and there isn’t even empty rhetoric about world class charging infrastructure, let alone significant activity.

    I think it must come to a head in the next 2-3 years as the sales shift is happening faster than the infrastructure to support it.
    Not sure which bit of the country you are in but I'd say more of our London projects than not want an EV charging point(s) built in somewhere. Having just spent two weeks in East Devon, there were a fair few points dotted around the various public car parks and a lot of EVs driving around. Not a majority of course, but a noticeable presence. There were a couple on the camp site we were staying at.
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  • morstar
    morstar Posts: 6,190
    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Rage, rage against the dying of the petrol engine! 🙂

    Oh, the spite of the non enthusiast....theyll be around for a fair while longer ;)

    Anyhow, roll on the hydrogen combustion engine. Should I ever need it, that is - a well timed purchase of a good fun petrol car at the end of this decade should take me to an age when I won't really care any more. That, or I'll take good care of my current one and enjoy a classic for a while :)
    Oh don't be so sensitive. I'm just noting the similarities with steam enthusiasts grumbling about how diesels don't have the romance, etc. Everyone needs a hobby.
    I think you know me well enough by now tourmaline I'm not too sensitive :smile: But I do like poking fun at the anti car bores and those who don't have a clue because they don't even own one ;)
    Poke away
    morstar said:

    ddraver said:

    Does anyone think the 2030 deadline will actually be a deadline? I just can't see it.

    There's just so, so much infrastructure that needs building beforehand and zero will to do any of it...

    I have pondered this a few times and the answer is no.

    The infrastructure is increasing at a very gradual rate in urban areas and at an infinitesimally small rate in the countryside.

    The policy has been active for a few years now and there isn’t even empty rhetoric about world class charging infrastructure, let alone significant activity.

    I think it must come to a head in the next 2-3 years as the sales shift is happening faster than the infrastructure to support it.
    Not sure which bit of the country you are in but I'd say more of our London projects than not want an EV charging point(s) built in somewhere. Having just spent two weeks in East Devon, there were a fair few points dotted around the various public car parks and a lot of EVs driving around. Not a majority of course, but a noticeable presence. There were a couple on the camp site we were staying at.
    It’s far from non existent but it’s hardly widespread either.

    I already hear complaints of waiting for chargers from friends and colleagues that have electric cars.

    The ability for those without off street parking to partake needs a step change in provision.
  • focuszing723
    focuszing723 Posts: 8,151
    edited August 2022
    When you look back in history. A horse and cart are a good sustainable form of transport. Also canals which can take a heavy loads and be moved easily.

    The horse doings can be used as a fertiliser to help grow food.
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,398
    ddraver said:

    Does anyone think the 2030 deadline will actually be a deadline? I just can't see it.

    There's just so, so much infrastructure that needs building beforehand and zero will to do any of it...

    Hopefully not.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,398
    rick_chasey said:

    If you don’t like the morality of getting your oil from places like Saudi, wait until you find out about the wars going on to control the mines that dig out stuff needed for batteries.

    See my posts above about the hydrogen combustion engine. Nobody has the hydrogen supply cornered...

    Same goes for hydrogen fuel cells.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    Stevo_666 said:

    rick_chasey said:

    If you don’t like the morality of getting your oil from places like Saudi, wait until you find out about the wars going on to control the mines that dig out stuff needed for batteries.

    See my posts above about the hydrogen combustion engine. Nobody has the hydrogen supply cornered...

    Same goes for hydrogen fuel cells.
    Someone still needs to find a sustainable way of manufacturing it in sufficient quantity though. If that can be overcome it will be a game changer but then nuclear fusion would be a game changer and that never seems to come any closer either.
  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 52,317
    An electric motorbike overtook me today.
    Fast and spooky.

    Waaaaaaaah, waaaaaaaaaaah, waaaaaaaaaaah. It was none of that.

    It was:

    bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz... with no perceptible gear change.
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  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,167
    It's easy to make. You just need some water and electricity.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    First.Aspect said:

    It's easy to make. You just need some water and electricity.

    Yep, and that second part is the self-defeating element that needs to be sorted out before it can realistically be used to solve our problems.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    edited August 2022
    Stevo_666 said:

    rick_chasey said:

    If you don’t like the morality of getting your oil from places like Saudi, wait until you find out about the wars going on to control the mines that dig out stuff needed for batteries.

    See my posts above about the hydrogen combustion engine. Nobody has the hydrogen supply cornered...

    Same goes for hydrogen fuel cells.
    Think you’re a little too long in the tooth to see that become the norm
    _
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,398
    Pross said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rick_chasey said:

    If you don’t like the morality of getting your oil from places like Saudi, wait until you find out about the wars going on to control the mines that dig out stuff needed for batteries.

    See my posts above about the hydrogen combustion engine. Nobody has the hydrogen supply cornered...

    Same goes for hydrogen fuel cells.
    Someone still needs to find a sustainable way of manufacturing it in sufficient quantity though. If that can be overcome it will be a game changer but then nuclear fusion would be a game changer and that never seems to come any closer either.
    We already know how to do it, so not too difficult to do more. If battery materials look like they will become hard to come by, that should provide the impetus.

    Very different from fusion, which is true cutting edge tech.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • focuszing723
    focuszing723 Posts: 8,151
    Sodium-ion batteries have great promise. They’re energy dense, nonflammable, and operate well in colder temperatures, and sodium is cheap and abundant. Plus, sodium-based batteries will be more environmentally friendly and even less expensive than lithium-ion batteries are becoming now. Sodium-ion battery performance has been limited because of poor durability, but this is about to change for the better.

    Sodium-ion battery breakthrough
    A research team from the US Department of Energy’s Pacific Northwest National Laboratory (PNNL) has developed a sodium-ion battery with greatly extended longevity. The findings, published in the journal Nature Energy, provide a promising recipe for a battery that may one day power electric vehicles and store solar energy.

    The researchers shifted the ingredients that make up the battery’s liquid core. That shift prevents performance issues that have caused trouble for previous sodium-based batteries.

    PNNL lead author Jiguang (Jason) Zhang, a battery technologies pioneer with more than 23 patented inventions in energy storage technology, said:

    Here, we have shown in principle that sodium-ion batteries have the potential to be a long-lasting and environmentally friendly battery technology.


    https://electrek.co/2022/07/14/sodium-ion-battery-breakthrough/

    I new salt would literally save the day at some point.
  • focuszing723
    focuszing723 Posts: 8,151
    edited August 2022
    This should help to desalinate the advancement of global warming.
  • focuszing723
    focuszing723 Posts: 8,151

    Na = Sodium. 18650 current popular li-ion battery size.
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,551
    edited August 2022
    pinno said:

    An electric motorbike overtook me today.
    Fast and spooky.

    Waaaaaaaah, waaaaaaaaaaah, waaaaaaaaaaah. It was none of that.

    It was:

    bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz... with no perceptible gear change.

    Don't need gears for electric motors as they have more or less the same torque at whatever speed they are running. The clever bit is the electronics to get it to accelerate smoothly.

    The 'gear changes' you hear on electric trains are actually switching.
    1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
    Pinnacle Monzonite

    Part of the anti-growth coalition
  • focuszing723
    focuszing723 Posts: 8,151
    edited August 2022
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hVX9Agz0xI
    Blimey, China cracking on with the future.
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,551
    First.Aspect said:

    It's easy to make. You just need some water and electricity.

    And to make the electricity we just need a hydrogen fuel cell and...
    1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
    Pinnacle Monzonite

    Part of the anti-growth coalition
  • focuszing723
    focuszing723 Posts: 8,151
    edited August 2022


    LFP, Is Lifepo4 batteries.

    Pretty impressive for Na-ion.
  • focuszing723
    focuszing723 Posts: 8,151
    edited August 2022
    It will be interesting to see how this develops.

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