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  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,398
    edited August 2022
    pinno said:

    The aesthetics are slowly being f-ucked with each new model of the 911.



    The GT3 RS has gone OTT design-wise in pursuit of lap times. The plain old GT3 looks better and will be the better road car.

    Mind you, wait till 2030 when you can only buy an electric one. Then it'll be properly f****d.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 52,317
    The current electric one is massive. 'Orrible.
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  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,398
    pinno said:

    The current electric one is massive. 'Orrible.

    Souped up bloody milk floats. Can you imagine car enthusaists of the future saying, 'yeah, it's got a superb battery...', or 'awesome piped engine noise...'

    Fingers crossed...
    https://topgear.com/car-news/future-tech/toyota-and-yamaha-are-developing-hydrogen-fuelled-v8
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,551
    Rage, rage against the dying of the petrol engine! 🙂
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  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,327
    The near future is undoubtably electric, but they must try harder.
    The Charger Daytona SRT as an example @ 35 seconds. Pathetic.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3PT1JFR9I8
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    You do wonder when we get to the point that we start to focus on the size of the cars - pretty much every new model is a good 20% bigger than they were 10 years ago and that’s before you look at the SUV explosion
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  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,398
    rjsterry said:

    Rage, rage against the dying of the petrol engine! 🙂

    Oh, the spite of the non enthusiast....theyll be around for a fair while longer ;)

    Anyhow, roll on the hydrogen combustion engine. Should I ever need it, that is - a well timed purchase of a good fun petrol car at the end of this decade should take me to an age when I won't really care any more. That, or I'll take good care of my current one and enjoy a classic for a while :)
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    If everyone wants to keep driving then surely smaller cars help.
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  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,398
    rick_chasey said:

    If everyone wants to keep driving then surely smaller cars help.

    I just pick cars that are the right size for what I need. If that means getting a 'class size' lower than what it was a few years back then fine. (Like we have a Polo when a few years ago would have bought a Golf).
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,327
    Size ≠ clean.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
    Veronese68 wrote:
    PB is the most sensible person on here.
  • masjer
    masjer Posts: 2,656
    edited August 2022
    rick_chasey said:

    You do wonder when we get to the point that we start to focus on the size of the cars - pretty much every new model is a good 20% bigger than they were 10 years ago and that’s before you look at the SUV explosion

    They're getting wider and lardy to match their owners. Too many gadgets and motors (electric boot closer, electric seats etc)
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    edited August 2022
    Stevo_666 said:

    rick_chasey said:

    If everyone wants to keep driving then surely smaller cars help.

    I just pick cars that are the right size for what I need. If that means getting a 'class size' lower than what it was a few years back then fine. (Like we have a Polo when a few years ago would have bought a Golf).
    I parked my 2015 polo next to a 90s polo and honestly, mine was at least 15% bigger.

    Even a 2 year old understands bigger things take up more space and leave less space for other things.


    Also, lower weight is more efficient not just on petrol and power and handling but also on infrastructure.
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  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,398
    rick_chasey said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rick_chasey said:

    If everyone wants to keep driving then surely smaller cars help.

    I just pick cars that are the right size for what I need. If that means getting a 'class size' lower than what it was a few years back then fine. (Like we have a Polo when a few years ago would have bought a Golf).
    I parked my 2015 polo next to a 90s polo and honestly, mine was at least 15% bigger.

    Even a 2 year old understands bigger things take up more space and leave less space for other things.


    Also, lower weight is more efficient not just on petrol and power and handling but also on infrastructure.
    A 90's Polo would have been too small for what we need so we wouldn't have bought one. Who is stupid enough to buy a car that's too small for what they need because they want to be virtuous?

    Main thing about small cars is that they can be good fun to drive. My old 205 GTI was great fun but was from another era before cars got a bit lardy.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • focuszing723
    focuszing723 Posts: 8,151
    edited August 2022
    I get confused between a Polo and a Golf now at a quick glance. It is bizarre, I agree cars should be getting lighter and smaller if anything.

    I am a bit surprise Tesla haven't been pushing forward the model two or whatever it will be called. This should be a bit hit in Europe if they get the price right.


    EV Hummer, 1000bhp, 0-60 in 3 seconds, 4.3 Tonnes.


    !! FOUR POINT THREE TONNES !!

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  • focuszing723
    focuszing723 Posts: 8,151
    edited August 2022
    pinno said:

    The aesthetics are slowly being f-ucked with each new model of the 911

    Yes, when you look at how classy the original 911's looked. I do like the look of the new 911 (992) though, still subtle in the more sedate models.
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,551
    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Rage, rage against the dying of the petrol engine! 🙂

    Oh, the spite of the non enthusiast....theyll be around for a fair while longer ;)

    Anyhow, roll on the hydrogen combustion engine. Should I ever need it, that is - a well timed purchase of a good fun petrol car at the end of this decade should take me to an age when I won't really care any more. That, or I'll take good care of my current one and enjoy a classic for a while :)
    Oh don't be so sensitive. I'm just noting the similarities with steam enthusiasts grumbling about how diesels don't have the romance, etc. Everyone needs a hobby.
    1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
    Pinnacle Monzonite

    Part of the anti-growth coalition
  • focuszing723
    focuszing723 Posts: 8,151


    I can't believe this too, Mclaren Solus GT, single seater. All sold (I doubt they are making many mind), two and half million quid.

    The crazy stuff being launched at Monterey Car Week.
  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 52,317
    Stevo_666 said:

    pinno said:

    The current electric one is massive. 'Orrible.

    Souped up bloody milk floats. Can you imagine car enthusaists of the future saying, 'yeah, it's got a superb battery...', or 'awesome piped engine noise...'

    Fingers crossed...
    https://topgear.com/car-news/future-tech/toyota-and-yamaha-are-developing-hydrogen-fuelled-v8
    I twill be 'hope' only if its affordable hope.
    Though Porsche are developing synthetic fuel:

    https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/business-environment-and-energy/porsche-breaks-ground-synthetic-fuel-plant-chile#:~:text=Construction is underway at the,compatible with unmodified combustion engines.
    seanoconn - gruagach craic!
  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 52,317
    rick_chasey said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rick_chasey said:

    If everyone wants to keep driving then surely smaller cars help.

    I just pick cars that are the right size for what I need. If that means getting a 'class size' lower than what it was a few years back then fine. (Like we have a Polo when a few years ago would have bought a Golf).
    I parked my 2015 polo next to a 90s polo and honestly, mine was at least 15% bigger.

    Even a 2 year old understands bigger things take up more space and leave less space for other things.


    Also, lower weight is more efficient not just on petrol and power and handling but also on infrastructure.
    Tesla's weigh a ton. No, that's a lie - they weight over 3 tons.
    Battery's are heavy.
    seanoconn - gruagach craic!
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,398
    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Rage, rage against the dying of the petrol engine! 🙂

    Oh, the spite of the non enthusiast....theyll be around for a fair while longer ;)

    Anyhow, roll on the hydrogen combustion engine. Should I ever need it, that is - a well timed purchase of a good fun petrol car at the end of this decade should take me to an age when I won't really care any more. That, or I'll take good care of my current one and enjoy a classic for a while :)
    Oh don't be so sensitive. I'm just noting the similarities with steam enthusiasts grumbling about how diesels don't have the romance, etc. Everyone needs a hobby.
    I think you know me well enough by now tourmaline I'm not too sensitive :smile: But I do like poking fun at the anti car bores and those who don't have a clue because they don't even own one ;)
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,398
    pinno said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rick_chasey said:

    If everyone wants to keep driving then surely smaller cars help.

    I just pick cars that are the right size for what I need. If that means getting a 'class size' lower than what it was a few years back then fine. (Like we have a Polo when a few years ago would have bought a Golf).
    I parked my 2015 polo next to a 90s polo and honestly, mine was at least 15% bigger.

    Even a 2 year old understands bigger things take up more space and leave less space for other things.


    Also, lower weight is more efficient not just on petrol and power and handling but also on infrastructure.
    Tesla's weigh a ton. No, that's a lie - they weight over 3 tons.
    Battery's are heavy.
    So are you saying that we need to stick with these lightweight petrol cars to put less pressure on our infrastructure? :smile:
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    rick_chasey said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rick_chasey said:

    If everyone wants to keep driving then surely smaller cars help.

    I just pick cars that are the right size for what I need. If that means getting a 'class size' lower than what it was a few years back then fine. (Like we have a Polo when a few years ago would have bought a Golf).
    I parked my 2015 polo next to a 90s polo and honestly, mine was at least 15% bigger.

    Even a 2 year old understands bigger things take up more space and leave less space for other things.


    Also, lower weight is more efficient not just on petrol and power and handling but also on infrastructure.
    The impact of cars and vans on road infrastructure is so minimal it is literally ignored in the calculations when determining the thickness a new road needs to be constructed.

  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    edited August 2022
    Fair enough.

    Get fewer brake dust particulates and less tyre wear 😜
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  • focuszing723
    focuszing723 Posts: 8,151
    I like the thought that engines aren't a problem and the tech and R&D haven't gone to waste. The fuel being used is the issue, if you think it's an issue.

    Electric motors though, much easier to produce and maintain. Imagine house fan which was a two/four stroke?
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Batteries are generally pretty nasty inside and have a load of rare metals that you can only dig out of the ground in certain places.

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  • focuszing723
    focuszing723 Posts: 8,151
    focuszing723 said:

    LFP (LiFePO4) batteries pose far less risk to the environment than lead-acid batteries. They can also be recycled to recover the materials used in their electrodes, wiring, and casings to be used in new lithium batteries.

    Compared to other lithium battery technologies, LiFePO4 batteries use more abundant and non-toxic materials that can be produced with less energy. The performance and safety of LiFePO4 batteries also make them a superior choice for electricity storage in zero-emission renewable electricity, wind, and solar power systems.

    We’re all concerned about protecting the environment, and we strive to do our part to reduce pollution and resource consumption. When it comes to choosing a battery technology, lithium iron phosphate batteries are an excellent choice for enabling renewable energy like wind and solar and for minimizing the consequences of resource extraction. As lithium iron phosphate batteries become more widely adopted, the benefits of this technology for the environment will continue to grow.
    https://relionbattery.com/blog/how-lithium-iron-phosphate-batteries-are-easier-on-the-environmentcar

    I know some manufactures are using these type of cells now. Tesla are using LFP batteries for the Model 3s in China. Although not as high voltage and less energy dense than li-ion they do have the benefit of greater recharge cycles, so in Theory cars shouldn't have as much battery degradation over time. They are cheaper to produce too, keeping costs down.

    We know battery technology will keep evolving to keep up with various requirements, be it materials, environmental concerns, capacity...
    A bit better for the environment.
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,398
    pinno said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    pinno said:

    The current electric one is massive. 'Orrible.

    Souped up bloody milk floats. Can you imagine car enthusaists of the future saying, 'yeah, it's got a superb battery...', or 'awesome piped engine noise...'

    Fingers crossed...
    https://topgear.com/car-news/future-tech/toyota-and-yamaha-are-developing-hydrogen-fuelled-v8
    I twill be 'hope' only if its affordable hope.
    Though Porsche are developing synthetic fuel:

    https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/business-environment-and-energy/porsche-breaks-ground-synthetic-fuel-plant-chile#:~:text=Construction is underway at the,compatible with unmodified combustion engines.
    True, but like any tech, the price comes down over time. Its definitely viable, the main things they need to develop seem to be storing enough on board to get a decent range and getting the infrastructure, filling stations etc out there (bit like EVs then).

    Saw that thing about synthetic fuel a little while ago. They'll have to make a lot of it and hope it doesn't get banned along with petrol and diesel.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • focuszing723
    focuszing723 Posts: 8,151
    I would love to return to Earth in 100, 1000, 10,000, 100,000, 1000,000 years times.

    Imagine.
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,167
    rick_chasey said:

    Batteries are generally pretty nasty inside and have a load of rare metals that you can only dig out of the ground in certain places.

    At the moment.
  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 52,317
    focuszing723 said:

    I would love to return to Earth in 1,000 years time.

    What, when there are no humans left?

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