Centennial Road World Championships, Flanders - 19-26 September 2021 *SPOILERS*
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He was the surprise of the day for me. Never ridden a cobbled Classic before as far as I can tell and whilst there weren't many cobbles on yesterdays race his experience in Belgium also seems very limited.mididoctors said:Powless was in multiple breaks all day ... Looked over performance there
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This - they had a plan and it worked. Would never have associated TV with good tactics.mididoctors said:
French activated the attacking . JA finished it offrick_chasey said:it was an incredible ride, and as ever, Flemish roads make for good racing.
JA is the hitter's hitter.
I do sometimes feel with a ride like that, we get all consumed by the tactics in the build up to the finale, but then, in hindsight, it's all an irrelevance when JA actually has legs like that.0 -
When I commented during the race on that I nearly said "Not his terrain", but a quick look at PCS showed he has done half decent at LBL & Lombardy before now so perhaps it actually is and he just hasn't been given the shots yet being close to retirement these days at 25..?We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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That's harsh on Voeckler. For a rider who wasn't a sprinter, or a climber or a TT specialist, a career total of 45 wins is impressive and he earned a lot of those wins from being tactically savvy, as he was rarely the strongest.Pross said:
This - they had a plan and it worked. Would never have associated TV with good tactics.mididoctors said:
French activated the attacking . JA finished it offrick_chasey said:it was an incredible ride, and as ever, Flemish roads make for good racing.
JA is the hitter's hitter.
I do sometimes feel with a ride like that, we get all consumed by the tactics in the build up to the finale, but then, in hindsight, it's all an irrelevance when JA actually has legs like that.
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"This wasn’t planned. I went all out, I have no words."Pross said:Tactical masterclass from France. You don't say that very often.
Julian Alaphilippe: “Well, we didn’t stick to the plan too much but it worked anyway!”
Thomas Voeckler: “It's instinct”
Makes complete sense from that perspective. 😉The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Stuyvens won MSR this year so he was already a pretty decent backup rider imo.bobmcstuff said:Pidcock will be back. It was his first go, difficult to peak for the Olympics and this so close.
Flamme Rouge suggesting that Belgium p*ssed away their extra card to play in the finale by burning up Evenepoel just to keep Merckx and the Belgian media happy, when apparently Van Aert just didn't have the legs.0 -
LOL ... Well it workedpblakeney said:
"This wasn’t planned. I went all out, I have no words."Pross said:Tactical masterclass from France. You don't say that very often.
Julian Alaphilippe: “Well, we didn’t stick to the plan too much but it worked anyway!”
Thomas Voeckler: “It's instinct”
Makes complete sense from that perspective. 😉"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
That's a good shout. Especially as if Pidcock not riding he should be Ineos' main man.RichN95. said:
Van Baarle is an interesting outsider. He consistently makes the top 20, but maybe he's got the form to make the main selection this time.bigmat said:
I'm finding it hard to pick a Roubaix favourite based on that race. Which of the likely contenders looked good? The usual five star names looked a bit off colour (Van Aert, VdP, Sagan etc). Maybe Stybar? Question for another thread probably.0 -
He was good at finessing a breakaway to work in his favourandyp said:
That's harsh on Voeckler. For a rider who wasn't a sprinter, or a climber or a TT specialist, a career total of 45 wins is impressive and he earned a lot of those wins from being tactically savvy, as he was rarely the strongest.Pross said:
This - they had a plan and it worked. Would never have associated TV with good tactics.mididoctors said:
French activated the attacking . JA finished it offrick_chasey said:it was an incredible ride, and as ever, Flemish roads make for good racing.
JA is the hitter's hitter.
I do sometimes feel with a ride like that, we get all consumed by the tactics in the build up to the finale, but then, in hindsight, it's all an irrelevance when JA actually has legs like that."If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
And I suspect a lot of those wouldn't even make it to the shit small races thread.mididoctors said:
He was good at finessing a breakaway to work in his favourandyp said:
That's harsh on Voeckler. For a rider who wasn't a sprinter, or a climber or a TT specialist, a career total of 45 wins is impressive and he earned a lot of those wins from being tactically savvy, as he was rarely the strongest.Pross said:
This - they had a plan and it worked. Would never have associated TV with good tactics.mididoctors said:
French activated the attacking . JA finished it offrick_chasey said:it was an incredible ride, and as ever, Flemish roads make for good racing.
JA is the hitter's hitter.
I do sometimes feel with a ride like that, we get all consumed by the tactics in the build up to the finale, but then, in hindsight, it's all an irrelevance when JA actually has legs like that."Unfortunately these days a lot of people don’t understand the real quality of a bike" Ernesto Colnago0 -
gsk82 said:
And I suspect a lot of those wouldn't even make it to the censored small races thread.mididoctors said:
He was good at finessing a breakaway to work in his favourandyp said:
That's harsh on Voeckler. For a rider who wasn't a sprinter, or a climber or a TT specialist, a career total of 45 wins is impressive and he earned a lot of those wins from being tactically savvy, as he was rarely the strongest.Pross said:
This - they had a plan and it worked. Would never have associated TV with good tactics.mididoctors said:
French activated the attacking . JA finished it offrick_chasey said:it was an incredible ride, and as ever, Flemish roads make for good racing.
JA is the hitter's hitter.
I do sometimes feel with a ride like that, we get all consumed by the tactics in the build up to the finale, but then, in hindsight, it's all an irrelevance when JA actually has legs like that.
Some decent tour stages"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
Tough crowd!gsk82 said:
And I suspect a lot of those wouldn't even make it to the censored small races thread.mididoctors said:
He was good at finessing a breakaway to work in his favourandyp said:
That's harsh on Voeckler. For a rider who wasn't a sprinter, or a climber or a TT specialist, a career total of 45 wins is impressive and he earned a lot of those wins from being tactically savvy, as he was rarely the strongest.Pross said:
This - they had a plan and it worked. Would never have associated TV with good tactics.mididoctors said:
French activated the attacking . JA finished it offrick_chasey said:it was an incredible ride, and as ever, Flemish roads make for good racing.
JA is the hitter's hitter.
I do sometimes feel with a ride like that, we get all consumed by the tactics in the build up to the finale, but then, in hindsight, it's all an irrelevance when JA actually has legs like that.
He WAS French cycling for a number of years - which is a bit of a sad reflection on french cycling tbhWe're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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Why is pidcock not riding ?bigmat said:
That's a good shout. Especially as if Pidcock not riding he should be Ineos' main man.RichN95. said:
Van Baarle is an interesting outsider. He consistently makes the top 20, but maybe he's got the form to make the main selection this time.bigmat said:
I'm finding it hard to pick a Roubaix favourite based on that race. Which of the likely contenders looked good? The usual five star names looked a bit off colour (Van Aert, VdP, Sagan etc). Maybe Stybar? Question for another thread probably."If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
Four Tour stage wins (and a KoM and top ten finish), a couple of stages in Paris-Nice, GP Plouay, GP Quebec, Brabanstje Pil, stage at the Basque Country - that's a decent return for someone who wasn't a specialist. Especially when you consider the era he rode in.ddraver said:
Tough crowd!gsk82 said:
And I suspect a lot of those wouldn't even make it to the censored small races thread.mididoctors said:
He was good at finessing a breakaway to work in his favourandyp said:
That's harsh on Voeckler. For a rider who wasn't a sprinter, or a climber or a TT specialist, a career total of 45 wins is impressive and he earned a lot of those wins from being tactically savvy, as he was rarely the strongest.Pross said:
This - they had a plan and it worked. Would never have associated TV with good tactics.mididoctors said:
French activated the attacking . JA finished it offrick_chasey said:it was an incredible ride, and as ever, Flemish roads make for good racing.
JA is the hitter's hitter.
I do sometimes feel with a ride like that, we get all consumed by the tactics in the build up to the finale, but then, in hindsight, it's all an irrelevance when JA actually has legs like that.
He WAS French cycling for a number of years - which is a bit of a sad reflection on french cycling tbh
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Stybar had a good ride, and Senechal, both of whom are doing PR next week
van Baarle a very goof shout though, especially after his performance at DDV earlier this year0 -
Awaiting knee surgery apparently, seems a shame not to try him when his form is good but I guess its better to not break him.mididoctors said:
Why is pidcock not riding ?bigmat said:
That's a good shout. Especially as if Pidcock not riding he should be Ineos' main man.RichN95. said:
Van Baarle is an interesting outsider. He consistently makes the top 20, but maybe he's got the form to make the main selection this time.bigmat said:
I'm finding it hard to pick a Roubaix favourite based on that race. Which of the likely contenders looked good? The usual five star names looked a bit off colour (Van Aert, VdP, Sagan etc). Maybe Stybar? Question for another thread probably.2020/2021/2022 Metric Century Challenge Winner0 -
andyp said:
That's harsh on Voeckler. For a rider who wasn't a sprinter, or a climber or a TT specialist, a career total of 45 wins is impressive and he earned a lot of those wins from being tactically savvy, as he was rarely the strongest.Pross said:
This - they had a plan and it worked. Would never have associated TV with good tactics.mididoctors said:
French activated the attacking . JA finished it offrick_chasey said:it was an incredible ride, and as ever, Flemish roads make for good racing.
JA is the hitter's hitter.
I do sometimes feel with a ride like that, we get all consumed by the tactics in the build up to the finale, but then, in hindsight, it's all an irrelevance when JA actually has legs like that.
2011, a parenthesis between the Armstrong years and the dominance of Sky.
The year Voekler nearly threw it all away with a stupid error on a descent when he ended up on the terrace of a house. The year the French finally believed that 30 years of hurt was over. That cycling was finally coming home. A year of triumph and tragedy.
Up until the second climb of the Galibier, just 3 days from Paris it looked possible. Then on the Telegraph Cadel seemed in trouble and Voekler siezed the opportunity to persue Schleck and Contador, caught between the two groups and without support he was unable to catch the pure climbers. Contador was riding like a man possessed. Eager to prove a point to Voekler after a dispute about Contador's positive clenbuterol result.
"On the Telegraph I believed it was possible for a moment but on the Galibier I realized all was lost, I was screwed, I cracked, all my emotions came out on the climb, I had a go at my team mates, I'd made a tactical blunder, I should have stuck with Cadel. I never thought I'd do so well in the tour, for a brief instant I touched the dream, but a dream should stay a dream, inaccessible". In the end he finished 4th overall.
After the Tour Voekler didn't have time to reflect much on the loss. His daughter had just been born. Today he doesn't want to look back at what might have been.BASI Nordic Ski Instructor
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He is a poor man's Sep Vanmarcke. He is mostly like Bardet in that his wins are few and far between. He is good, but he doesn't really win.RichN95. said:
Van Baarle is an interesting outsider. He consistently makes the top 20, but maybe he's got the form to make the main selection this time.bigmat said:
I'm finding it hard to pick a Roubaix favourite based on that race. Which of the likely contenders looked good? The usual five star names looked a bit off colour (Van Aert, VdP, Sagan etc). Maybe Stybar? Question for another thread probably.PTP Champion 2019, 2022 & 20230 -
He's not very often given the opportunity. He showed at Dwars and, again, yesterday what he can do when allowed. He's the sort of rider who is strong enough to ride off when the main favourites are marking each other.m.r.m. said:
He is a poor man's Sep Vanmarcke. He is mostly like Bardet in that his wins are few and far between. He is good, but he doesn't really win.RichN95. said:
Van Baarle is an interesting outsider. He consistently makes the top 20, but maybe he's got the form to make the main selection this time.bigmat said:
I'm finding it hard to pick a Roubaix favourite based on that race. Which of the likely contenders looked good? The usual five star names looked a bit off colour (Van Aert, VdP, Sagan etc). Maybe Stybar? Question for another thread probably.0 -
Yeah so like Sep pretty much. 😝PTP Champion 2019, 2022 & 20230
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m.r.m. said:
He is a poor man's Sep Vanmarcke. He is mostly like Bardet in that his wins are few and far between. He is good, but he doesn't really win.RichN95. said:
Van Baarle is an interesting outsider. He consistently makes the top 20, but maybe he's got the form to make the main selection this time.bigmat said:
I'm finding it hard to pick a Roubaix favourite based on that race. Which of the likely contenders looked good? The usual five star names looked a bit off colour (Van Aert, VdP, Sagan etc). Maybe Stybar? Question for another thread probably.
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"He WAS French cycling for a number of years"ddraver said:
Tough crowd!gsk82 said:
And I suspect a lot of those wouldn't even make it to the censored small races thread.mididoctors said:
He was good at finessing a breakaway to work in his favourandyp said:
That's harsh on Voeckler. For a rider who wasn't a sprinter, or a climber or a TT specialist, a career total of 45 wins is impressive and he earned a lot of those wins from being tactically savvy, as he was rarely the strongest.Pross said:
This - they had a plan and it worked. Would never have associated TV with good tactics.mididoctors said:
French activated the attacking . JA finished it offrick_chasey said:it was an incredible ride, and as ever, Flemish roads make for good racing.
JA is the hitter's hitter.
I do sometimes feel with a ride like that, we get all consumed by the tactics in the build up to the finale, but then, in hindsight, it's all an irrelevance when JA actually has legs like that.
He WAS French cycling for a number of years - which is a bit of a sad reflection on french cycling tbh
Bit harsh on Sylvain Chavanel, whose career-span was more or less identical with Voeckler's, and who was the better stage-race rider and TT-er. But as fate would have it, he probably had his worst two seasons when Voeckler had perhaps his best two (including the year of his TdF 4th place).
My impression was that, in France, Chavanel was more highly-regarded among regular cycling fans, while Voeckler's popularity was mainly among Tour-only fans.
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Hopefully he's given the opportunity, give I've bet on him at 40/1Pross said:
He's not very often given the opportunity. He showed at Dwars and, again, yesterday what he can do when allowed. He's the sort of rider who is strong enough to ride off when the main favourites are marking each other.m.r.m. said:
He is a poor man's Sep Vanmarcke. He is mostly like Bardet in that his wins are few and far between. He is good, but he doesn't really win.RichN95. said:
Van Baarle is an interesting outsider. He consistently makes the top 20, but maybe he's got the form to make the main selection this time.bigmat said:
I'm finding it hard to pick a Roubaix favourite based on that race. Which of the likely contenders looked good? The usual five star names looked a bit off colour (Van Aert, VdP, Sagan etc). Maybe Stybar? Question for another thread probably.
Cheeky side bet on FloSech (my new nickname for Florian Senechal) at 18 too0 -
I guess that is like betting on the Grand National.
A lottery where favourites can fall at the first hurdle and anyone can win.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
That is true. Van Baarle may also have a better sprint. Still think he is rather overrated in the cycling purist's search for someone to root for after being bored by WVA and MvdP. 😛
Picking him to win P-R is like picking Rigoberto Uran to win LBL. Sure it could happen, but most likely it's just lighting your money on fire. 😁PTP Champion 2019, 2022 & 20230 -
He can only win if other guys look at each other. But that's the same for everyone other than van Aert and VdP. It's a real shame Ganna isn't there."Unfortunately these days a lot of people don’t understand the real quality of a bike" Ernesto Colnago0
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No Hayter for Ineos either. Did he get injured on Sunday or just considered to much for someone who is still young?0
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They're all in for Dylan van Baarle (I hope)0
