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As if to prove my point about the British teaching of history that has come as news to me. As we lost the first one and drew the second I imagine our focus is on the latter.DeVlaeminck said:
Well it turns out the only thing I knew about it (other than who it was between) is wrong!surrey_commuter said:
Bizarrely he would have been 5 years old for the real thing and died the year after the film was releasedDeVlaeminck said:kingstongraham said:
I'd only guess from the way Michael Caine is dressed.DeVlaeminck said:
Pretty sure most would get within a couple of decades of the Boer war ... wouldn't they ?surrey_commuter said:
But what happened in the 1,000 years between the Romans leaving and the Normans turning up in Hastings. Then it goes quiet for 400 years until the Henrys makes an appearance. Then 200 years disappear before Wellington/Nelson and Napoleon liven things up. Then nothing for 100 years until Archduke Ferdinand gets unlucky.Pross said:
I guess by its very nature it is just a massive subject so very hard to cover in depth unless focussing on certain periods. As mentioned above I covered the Industrial Revolution in a fair bit of depth at GCSE along with the history of crime and punishment in Britain (the Rise of Communist China was the final element).rick_chasey said:I do think English history is really badly taught at schools.
I managed to go all the way through the English system and get a degree in history and not once did I ever do the English civil war or any Cromwell.
Ask 10 degree educated Brits when the American civil war was and 9 won’t get within 50 years.
And then for a laugh ask them when the Boer War was
I'd have thought the young Churchill being there would be fairly well known.
Apparently there were 2 Boer wars and Churchill's involvement was in the second which was about 20 years after the first.
Edit - or I might have been right - seems the first Boer war was far less of a war than the first. Any historians know if Boer War generally refers to the earlier or later ?0 -
Never seen the film either, fwiw.surrey_commuter said:
I thought you were kidding about Michael Caine, he was fighting the Zulus. In the Boer War we were fighting a bunch of Dutch farmers.kingstongraham said:
It may be, but I don't know anything about it.DeVlaeminck said:kingstongraham said:
I'd only guess from the way Michael Caine is dressed.DeVlaeminck said:
Pretty sure most would get within a couple of decades of the Boer war ... wouldn't they ?surrey_commuter said:
But what happened in the 1,000 years between the Romans leaving and the Normans turning up in Hastings. Then it goes quiet for 400 years until the Henrys makes an appearance. Then 200 years disappear before Wellington/Nelson and Napoleon liven things up. Then nothing for 100 years until Archduke Ferdinand gets unlucky.Pross said:
I guess by its very nature it is just a massive subject so very hard to cover in depth unless focussing on certain periods. As mentioned above I covered the Industrial Revolution in a fair bit of depth at GCSE along with the history of crime and punishment in Britain (the Rise of Communist China was the final element).rick_chasey said:I do think English history is really badly taught at schools.
I managed to go all the way through the English system and get a degree in history and not once did I ever do the English civil war or any Cromwell.
Ask 10 degree educated Brits when the American civil war was and 9 won’t get within 50 years.
And then for a laugh ask them when the Boer War was
I'd have thought the young Churchill being there would be fairly well known.
It's all about the same time though, isn't it?0 -
I really should get this bit of history all straightened out in my head. My grandparents' house had a variety of African souvenirs including at least one Zulu spear, and a pair of Ashanti stools. There were also a couple of (I think) Sudanese swords. All collected by my great grandfather from various tours.kingstongraham said:
Never seen the film either, fwiw.surrey_commuter said:
I thought you were kidding about Michael Caine, he was fighting the Zulus. In the Boer War we were fighting a bunch of Dutch farmers.kingstongraham said:
It may be, but I don't know anything about it.DeVlaeminck said:kingstongraham said:
I'd only guess from the way Michael Caine is dressed.DeVlaeminck said:
Pretty sure most would get within a couple of decades of the Boer war ... wouldn't they ?surrey_commuter said:
But what happened in the 1,000 years between the Romans leaving and the Normans turning up in Hastings. Then it goes quiet for 400 years until the Henrys makes an appearance. Then 200 years disappear before Wellington/Nelson and Napoleon liven things up. Then nothing for 100 years until Archduke Ferdinand gets unlucky.Pross said:
I guess by its very nature it is just a massive subject so very hard to cover in depth unless focussing on certain periods. As mentioned above I covered the Industrial Revolution in a fair bit of depth at GCSE along with the history of crime and punishment in Britain (the Rise of Communist China was the final element).rick_chasey said:I do think English history is really badly taught at schools.
I managed to go all the way through the English system and get a degree in history and not once did I ever do the English civil war or any Cromwell.
Ask 10 degree educated Brits when the American civil war was and 9 won’t get within 50 years.
And then for a laugh ask them when the Boer War was
I'd have thought the young Churchill being there would be fairly well known.
It's all about the same time though, isn't it?1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
My Dad has a Maori battle axe from somewhere down the family line.
Allegedly used in the heat of battle with the appropriate notches.
Couple of paddles too, and some Japanese artefacts. I do wonder about the legitimacy of ownership.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
You'll be pleased to know 20% of my final degree was an exam where I ended up writing the entire essay specifically about Caine's Zulu film, deconstructing the discourse of it and framing it in the wider context about British views and understanding of colonial Africa.surrey_commuter said:
I thought you were kidding about Michael Caine, he was fighting the Zulus. In the Boer War we were fighting a bunch of Dutch farmers.kingstongraham said:
It may be, but I don't know anything about it.DeVlaeminck said:kingstongraham said:
I'd only guess from the way Michael Caine is dressed.DeVlaeminck said:
Pretty sure most would get within a couple of decades of the Boer war ... wouldn't they ?surrey_commuter said:
But what happened in the 1,000 years between the Romans leaving and the Normans turning up in Hastings. Then it goes quiet for 400 years until the Henrys makes an appearance. Then 200 years disappear before Wellington/Nelson and Napoleon liven things up. Then nothing for 100 years until Archduke Ferdinand gets unlucky.Pross said:
I guess by its very nature it is just a massive subject so very hard to cover in depth unless focussing on certain periods. As mentioned above I covered the Industrial Revolution in a fair bit of depth at GCSE along with the history of crime and punishment in Britain (the Rise of Communist China was the final element).rick_chasey said:I do think English history is really badly taught at schools.
I managed to go all the way through the English system and get a degree in history and not once did I ever do the English civil war or any Cromwell.
Ask 10 degree educated Brits when the American civil war was and 9 won’t get within 50 years.
And then for a laugh ask them when the Boer War was
I'd have thought the young Churchill being there would be fairly well known.
The question was specifically on it!0 -
The Anglo-Zulu war ended was 1879, the First Boer War started in 1880 and ended in 1881 and the Second Boer War was 1899-1902. To confuse things further the Boers also fought the Zulus earlier in the century. By the time of the second Boer War the uniform had changed to khaki instead of red but they still wore the pith helmet.kingstongraham said:
Never seen the film either, fwiw.surrey_commuter said:
I thought you were kidding about Michael Caine, he was fighting the Zulus. In the Boer War we were fighting a bunch of Dutch farmers.kingstongraham said:
It may be, but I don't know anything about it.DeVlaeminck said:kingstongraham said:
I'd only guess from the way Michael Caine is dressed.DeVlaeminck said:
Pretty sure most would get within a couple of decades of the Boer war ... wouldn't they ?surrey_commuter said:
But what happened in the 1,000 years between the Romans leaving and the Normans turning up in Hastings. Then it goes quiet for 400 years until the Henrys makes an appearance. Then 200 years disappear before Wellington/Nelson and Napoleon liven things up. Then nothing for 100 years until Archduke Ferdinand gets unlucky.Pross said:
I guess by its very nature it is just a massive subject so very hard to cover in depth unless focussing on certain periods. As mentioned above I covered the Industrial Revolution in a fair bit of depth at GCSE along with the history of crime and punishment in Britain (the Rise of Communist China was the final element).rick_chasey said:I do think English history is really badly taught at schools.
I managed to go all the way through the English system and get a degree in history and not once did I ever do the English civil war or any Cromwell.
Ask 10 degree educated Brits when the American civil war was and 9 won’t get within 50 years.
And then for a laugh ask them when the Boer War was
I'd have thought the young Churchill being there would be fairly well known.
It's all about the same time though, isn't it?
The Brits also created concentration camps during the Boer War, something else that I doubt gets taught on the school history syllabus where you would think they were first used 40 years later (the Brits also went for a scorched earth policy to destroy the Boer farms).0 -
While I do object to the current policy of the gov't dictating a certain "narrative" about British or English history, but, conversely, I also object to the style I was subject to in the 00s which was very much thematic and orientated around "learnings" from history and had no grounding in any geography.
I think, on balance, it is helpful for most people to have a broad sense of the rhythm of the past of the nation they live in, from the Romans onwards.
The challenge is covering that whilst using the history to demonstrate the kind of skills that are actually transferable beyond school.
I would be in favour of more English history and less international history (at least, compared to what I did - it may have changed, but I did not need to do WW2/the Nazis every other year from the age of 10 onwards) and also more local history. We did some of that at primary school and, speaking as someone who has absolutely no interest in local history - I always surprised how much of it has stayed with me.0 -
I think the sum of my history knowledge can be summed up through having read the following (both fiction and non-fiction):
WW2 - a few Anthony Bevoir, quite a few Ben McIntyre, lots of Stephen E Ambose (i think i've read pretty much all of his books and through doing so, someone else's allegedly)
Peninsular War and later Waterloo - All of the Sharpe novels by Bernard Cornell
The Anglo-saxons - The Last Kingdom Books by Bernhard Cornwell
As such i don't know anything about WW1 or the Boer War or much about the empire.
Then outside of English History, i've read a lot of books about ancient Greece and the Romans
Lots of books by Valerio Massimo Mandredi e.g. the Alexander Trilogy, Spartan, Heroes, The Last Legion etc
Rubicon by Tom Holland,
Mythos by Stephen Fry (ok not history, but it helps to understand the ancient greeks.0 -
Men of Harlech you say?rick_chasey said:
You'll be pleased to know 20% of my final degree was an exam where I ended up writing the entire essay specifically about Caine's Zulu film, deconstructing the discourse of it and framing it in the wider context about British views and understanding of colonial Africa.surrey_commuter said:
I thought you were kidding about Michael Caine, he was fighting the Zulus. In the Boer War we were fighting a bunch of Dutch farmers.kingstongraham said:
It may be, but I don't know anything about it.DeVlaeminck said:kingstongraham said:
I'd only guess from the way Michael Caine is dressed.DeVlaeminck said:
Pretty sure most would get within a couple of decades of the Boer war ... wouldn't they ?surrey_commuter said:
But what happened in the 1,000 years between the Romans leaving and the Normans turning up in Hastings. Then it goes quiet for 400 years until the Henrys makes an appearance. Then 200 years disappear before Wellington/Nelson and Napoleon liven things up. Then nothing for 100 years until Archduke Ferdinand gets unlucky.Pross said:
I guess by its very nature it is just a massive subject so very hard to cover in depth unless focussing on certain periods. As mentioned above I covered the Industrial Revolution in a fair bit of depth at GCSE along with the history of crime and punishment in Britain (the Rise of Communist China was the final element).rick_chasey said:I do think English history is really badly taught at schools.
I managed to go all the way through the English system and get a degree in history and not once did I ever do the English civil war or any Cromwell.
Ask 10 degree educated Brits when the American civil war was and 9 won’t get within 50 years.
And then for a laugh ask them when the Boer War was
I'd have thought the young Churchill being there would be fairly well known.
The question was specifically on it!
https://youtu.be/EbBGWR4VL58 .The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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Don't you throw, those blaaady spears, at me.0
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Beevor and Ambrose are top notch. I would always check to see what subjects Richard Holmes has written on.elbowloh said:I think the sum of my history knowledge can be summed up through having read the following (both fiction and non-fiction):
WW2 - a few Anthony Bevoir, quite a few Ben McIntyre, lots of Stephen E Ambose (i think i've read pretty much all of his books and through doing so, someone else's allegedly)
Peninsular War and later Waterloo - All of the Sharpe novels by Bernard Cornell
The Anglo-saxons - The Last Kingdom Books by Bernhard Cornwell
As such i don't know anything about WW1 or the Boer War or much about the empire.
Then outside of English History, i've read a lot of books about ancient Greece and the Romans
Lots of books by Valerio Massimo Mandredi e.g. the Alexander Trilogy, Spartan, Heroes, The Last Legion etc
Rubicon by Tom Holland,
Mythos by Stephen Fry (ok not history, but it helps to understand the ancient greeks.
Upon finishing D-Day (Ambrose) I triumphantly told the missus I knew everything about D-Day and to ask me any question.
She kindly lobbed me a long hop outside the off stump "what does the "D" stand for?"
I am not sure that my spirit has ever recovered from that crushing.1 -
D stands for Day with everything measured from that point so D-1 or D+1.surrey_commuter said:
Beevor and Ambrose are top notch. I would always check to see what subjects Richard Holmes has written on.elbowloh said:I think the sum of my history knowledge can be summed up through having read the following (both fiction and non-fiction):
WW2 - a few Anthony Bevoir, quite a few Ben McIntyre, lots of Stephen E Ambose (i think i've read pretty much all of his books and through doing so, someone else's allegedly)
Peninsular War and later Waterloo - All of the Sharpe novels by Bernard Cornell
The Anglo-saxons - The Last Kingdom Books by Bernhard Cornwell
As such i don't know anything about WW1 or the Boer War or much about the empire.
Then outside of English History, i've read a lot of books about ancient Greece and the Romans
Lots of books by Valerio Massimo Mandredi e.g. the Alexander Trilogy, Spartan, Heroes, The Last Legion etc
Rubicon by Tom Holland,
Mythos by Stephen Fry (ok not history, but it helps to understand the ancient greeks.
Upon finishing D-Day (Ambrose) I triumphantly told the missus I knew everything about D-Day and to ask me any question.
She kindly lobbed me a long hop outside the off stump "what does the "D" stand for?"
I am not sure that my spirit has ever recovered from that crushing.0 -
Am reading Marc Morris's book on the Anglo Saxons at the moment. It starts with some fairly jaw dropping statistics on the societal collapse when the Romans left. Particularly poignant in light of Afghanistan but sounds far, far worse.rick_chasey said:While I do object to the current policy of the gov't dictating a certain "narrative" about British or English history, but, conversely, I also object to the style I was subject to in the 00s which was very much thematic and orientated around "learnings" from history and had no grounding in any geography.
I think, on balance, it is helpful for most people to have a broad sense of the rhythm of the past of the nation they live in, from the Romans onwards.
The challenge is covering that whilst using the history to demonstrate the kind of skills that are actually transferable beyond school.
I would be in favour of more English history and less international history (at least, compared to what I did - it may have changed, but I did not need to do WW2/the Nazis every other year from the age of 10 onwards) and also more local history. We did some of that at primary school and, speaking as someone who has absolutely no interest in local history - I always surprised how much of it has stayed with me.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
Thanks, that had been gnawing at me for nearly 20yearsPross said:
D stands for Day with everything measured from that point so D-1 or D+1.surrey_commuter said:
Beevor and Ambrose are top notch. I would always check to see what subjects Richard Holmes has written on.elbowloh said:I think the sum of my history knowledge can be summed up through having read the following (both fiction and non-fiction):
WW2 - a few Anthony Bevoir, quite a few Ben McIntyre, lots of Stephen E Ambose (i think i've read pretty much all of his books and through doing so, someone else's allegedly)
Peninsular War and later Waterloo - All of the Sharpe novels by Bernard Cornell
The Anglo-saxons - The Last Kingdom Books by Bernhard Cornwell
As such i don't know anything about WW1 or the Boer War or much about the empire.
Then outside of English History, i've read a lot of books about ancient Greece and the Romans
Lots of books by Valerio Massimo Mandredi e.g. the Alexander Trilogy, Spartan, Heroes, The Last Legion etc
Rubicon by Tom Holland,
Mythos by Stephen Fry (ok not history, but it helps to understand the ancient greeks.
Upon finishing D-Day (Ambrose) I triumphantly told the missus I knew everything about D-Day and to ask me any question.
She kindly lobbed me a long hop outside the off stump "what does the "D" stand for?"
I am not sure that my spirit has ever recovered from that crushing.0 -
Imagine writing the AI or MEL for D-Day....Pross said:
D stands for Day with everything measured from that point so D-1 or D+1.surrey_commuter said:
Beevor and Ambrose are top notch. I would always check to see what subjects Richard Holmes has written on.elbowloh said:I think the sum of my history knowledge can be summed up through having read the following (both fiction and non-fiction):
WW2 - a few Anthony Bevoir, quite a few Ben McIntyre, lots of Stephen E Ambose (i think i've read pretty much all of his books and through doing so, someone else's allegedly)
Peninsular War and later Waterloo - All of the Sharpe novels by Bernard Cornell
The Anglo-saxons - The Last Kingdom Books by Bernhard Cornwell
As such i don't know anything about WW1 or the Boer War or much about the empire.
Then outside of English History, i've read a lot of books about ancient Greece and the Romans
Lots of books by Valerio Massimo Mandredi e.g. the Alexander Trilogy, Spartan, Heroes, The Last Legion etc
Rubicon by Tom Holland,
Mythos by Stephen Fry (ok not history, but it helps to understand the ancient greeks.
Upon finishing D-Day (Ambrose) I triumphantly told the missus I knew everything about D-Day and to ask me any question.
She kindly lobbed me a long hop outside the off stump "what does the "D" stand for?"
I am not sure that my spirit has ever recovered from that crushing.
.The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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Could you translate for those of us not fully up to speed on military TLAs?MattFalle said:
Imagine writing the AI or MEL for D-Day....Pross said:
D stands for Day with everything measured from that point so D-1 or D+1.surrey_commuter said:
Beevor and Ambrose are top notch. I would always check to see what subjects Richard Holmes has written on.elbowloh said:I think the sum of my history knowledge can be summed up through having read the following (both fiction and non-fiction):
WW2 - a few Anthony Bevoir, quite a few Ben McIntyre, lots of Stephen E Ambose (i think i've read pretty much all of his books and through doing so, someone else's allegedly)
Peninsular War and later Waterloo - All of the Sharpe novels by Bernard Cornell
The Anglo-saxons - The Last Kingdom Books by Bernhard Cornwell
As such i don't know anything about WW1 or the Boer War or much about the empire.
Then outside of English History, i've read a lot of books about ancient Greece and the Romans
Lots of books by Valerio Massimo Mandredi e.g. the Alexander Trilogy, Spartan, Heroes, The Last Legion etc
Rubicon by Tom Holland,
Mythos by Stephen Fry (ok not history, but it helps to understand the ancient greeks.
Upon finishing D-Day (Ambrose) I triumphantly told the missus I knew everything about D-Day and to ask me any question.
She kindly lobbed me a long hop outside the off stump "what does the "D" stand for?"
I am not sure that my spirit has ever recovered from that crushing.
I've visited one of the practice beaches in Devon (where it all went wrong).1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
Slapton with the Sherman tank monument they recovered from the sea?rjsterry said:
Could you translate for those of us not fully up to speed on military TLAs?MattFalle said:
Imagine writing the AI or MEL for D-Day....Pross said:
D stands for Day with everything measured from that point so D-1 or D+1.surrey_commuter said:
Beevor and Ambrose are top notch. I would always check to see what subjects Richard Holmes has written on.elbowloh said:I think the sum of my history knowledge can be summed up through having read the following (both fiction and non-fiction):
WW2 - a few Anthony Bevoir, quite a few Ben McIntyre, lots of Stephen E Ambose (i think i've read pretty much all of his books and through doing so, someone else's allegedly)
Peninsular War and later Waterloo - All of the Sharpe novels by Bernard Cornell
The Anglo-saxons - The Last Kingdom Books by Bernhard Cornwell
As such i don't know anything about WW1 or the Boer War or much about the empire.
Then outside of English History, i've read a lot of books about ancient Greece and the Romans
Lots of books by Valerio Massimo Mandredi e.g. the Alexander Trilogy, Spartan, Heroes, The Last Legion etc
Rubicon by Tom Holland,
Mythos by Stephen Fry (ok not history, but it helps to understand the ancient greeks.
Upon finishing D-Day (Ambrose) I triumphantly told the missus I knew everything about D-Day and to ask me any question.
She kindly lobbed me a long hop outside the off stump "what does the "D" stand for?"
I am not sure that my spirit has ever recovered from that crushing.
I've visited one of the practice beaches in Devon (where it all went wrong).0 -
Yes.Pross said:
Slapton with the Sherman tank monument they recovered from the sea?rjsterry said:
Could you translate for those of us not fully up to speed on military TLAs?MattFalle said:
Imagine writing the AI or MEL for D-Day....Pross said:
D stands for Day with everything measured from that point so D-1 or D+1.surrey_commuter said:
Beevor and Ambrose are top notch. I would always check to see what subjects Richard Holmes has written on.elbowloh said:I think the sum of my history knowledge can be summed up through having read the following (both fiction and non-fiction):
WW2 - a few Anthony Bevoir, quite a few Ben McIntyre, lots of Stephen E Ambose (i think i've read pretty much all of his books and through doing so, someone else's allegedly)
Peninsular War and later Waterloo - All of the Sharpe novels by Bernard Cornell
The Anglo-saxons - The Last Kingdom Books by Bernhard Cornwell
As such i don't know anything about WW1 or the Boer War or much about the empire.
Then outside of English History, i've read a lot of books about ancient Greece and the Romans
Lots of books by Valerio Massimo Mandredi e.g. the Alexander Trilogy, Spartan, Heroes, The Last Legion etc
Rubicon by Tom Holland,
Mythos by Stephen Fry (ok not history, but it helps to understand the ancient greeks.
Upon finishing D-Day (Ambrose) I triumphantly told the missus I knew everything about D-Day and to ask me any question.
She kindly lobbed me a long hop outside the off stump "what does the "D" stand for?"
I am not sure that my spirit has ever recovered from that crushing.
I've visited one of the practice beaches in Devon (where it all went wrong).1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
I thought you were talking about the eldest for a moment there.oxoman said:... Luckily they survived but we didn't hear for nearly a day they got out.
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Apols.rjsterry said:
Could you translate for those of us not fully up to speed on military TLAs?MattFalle said:
Imagine writing the AI or MEL for D-Day....Pross said:
D stands for Day with everything measured from that point so D-1 or D+1.surrey_commuter said:
Beevor and Ambrose are top notch. I would always check to see what subjects Richard Holmes has written on.elbowloh said:I think the sum of my history knowledge can be summed up through having read the following (both fiction and non-fiction):
WW2 - a few Anthony Bevoir, quite a few Ben McIntyre, lots of Stephen E Ambose (i think i've read pretty much all of his books and through doing so, someone else's allegedly)
Peninsular War and later Waterloo - All of the Sharpe novels by Bernard Cornell
The Anglo-saxons - The Last Kingdom Books by Bernhard Cornwell
As such i don't know anything about WW1 or the Boer War or much about the empire.
Then outside of English History, i've read a lot of books about ancient Greece and the Romans
Lots of books by Valerio Massimo Mandredi e.g. the Alexander Trilogy, Spartan, Heroes, The Last Legion etc
Rubicon by Tom Holland,
Mythos by Stephen Fry (ok not history, but it helps to understand the ancient greeks.
Upon finishing D-Day (Ambrose) I triumphantly told the missus I knew everything about D-Day and to ask me any question.
She kindly lobbed me a long hop outside the off stump "what does the "D" stand for?"
I am not sure that my spirit has ever recovered from that crushing.
I've visited one of the practice beaches in Devon (where it all went wrong).
AI - admin instruction. The plan as to what will happen, requesting stores, requesting weapons, who will do what, health and safety, risk assessments, etc. Kit lists, transport requests, what additional agencies are required, etc.
MEL - main events list. Exactly what will happen where at exactly what time, basically to the minute.
I can see some poor bod scratching his head over his typewriter writing up the 456th draft.......The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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Surely something that big is broken down into manageable chunks the same as any other very large project. Still a vast undertaking and remarkable that it was as coordinated as it was.MattFalle said:
Apols.rjsterry said:
Could you translate for those of us not fully up to speed on military TLAs?MattFalle said:
Imagine writing the AI or MEL for D-Day....Pross said:
D stands for Day with everything measured from that point so D-1 or D+1.surrey_commuter said:
Beevor and Ambrose are top notch. I would always check to see what subjects Richard Holmes has written on.elbowloh said:I think the sum of my history knowledge can be summed up through having read the following (both fiction and non-fiction):
WW2 - a few Anthony Bevoir, quite a few Ben McIntyre, lots of Stephen E Ambose (i think i've read pretty much all of his books and through doing so, someone else's allegedly)
Peninsular War and later Waterloo - All of the Sharpe novels by Bernard Cornell
The Anglo-saxons - The Last Kingdom Books by Bernhard Cornwell
As such i don't know anything about WW1 or the Boer War or much about the empire.
Then outside of English History, i've read a lot of books about ancient Greece and the Romans
Lots of books by Valerio Massimo Mandredi e.g. the Alexander Trilogy, Spartan, Heroes, The Last Legion etc
Rubicon by Tom Holland,
Mythos by Stephen Fry (ok not history, but it helps to understand the ancient greeks.
Upon finishing D-Day (Ambrose) I triumphantly told the missus I knew everything about D-Day and to ask me any question.
She kindly lobbed me a long hop outside the off stump "what does the "D" stand for?"
I am not sure that my spirit has ever recovered from that crushing.
I've visited one of the practice beaches in Devon (where it all went wrong).
AI - admin instruction. The plan as to what will happen, requesting stores, requesting weapons, who will do what, health and safety, risk assessments, etc. Kit lists, transport requests, what additional agencies are required, etc.
MEL - main events list. Exactly what will happen where at exactly what time, basically to the minute.
I can see some poor bod scratching his head over his typewriter writing up the 456th draft......1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
Pross said:
Good to see you back Frank, I did wonder when you were talking about the Welsh language and Welsh history.womack said:veronese68 said:
Don't do it myself but it's gone on for millennia, moaning about it on a thread about history is a little odd. Is there something you want to share with the group?womack said:morstar said:
You’ll find it’s been happening a very long time.womack said:At what point in English history did men bumming each other become acceptable?
We’ve simply moved to a point where we no longer pretend it doesn’t.
I find it has very little impact on my day to day existence so don’t let it bother me.
Not correct though, is it?
Not really, I just miss Frank Wilson's forthright views and find it depressing that history has now deemed it that someone with a different point of view to the norm is nowadays airbrushed out.
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At a lightly defended beach the first British wave reached their objective, stooped and brewed up, they had no instructions for what to do next as in the plan they were all deadrjsterry said:
Surely something that big is broken down into manageable chunks the same as any other very large project. Still a vast undertaking and remarkable that it was as coordinated as it was.MattFalle said:
Apols.rjsterry said:
Could you translate for those of us not fully up to speed on military TLAs?MattFalle said:
Imagine writing the AI or MEL for D-Day....Pross said:
D stands for Day with everything measured from that point so D-1 or D+1.surrey_commuter said:
Beevor and Ambrose are top notch. I would always check to see what subjects Richard Holmes has written on.elbowloh said:I think the sum of my history knowledge can be summed up through having read the following (both fiction and non-fiction):
WW2 - a few Anthony Bevoir, quite a few Ben McIntyre, lots of Stephen E Ambose (i think i've read pretty much all of his books and through doing so, someone else's allegedly)
Peninsular War and later Waterloo - All of the Sharpe novels by Bernard Cornell
The Anglo-saxons - The Last Kingdom Books by Bernhard Cornwell
As such i don't know anything about WW1 or the Boer War or much about the empire.
Then outside of English History, i've read a lot of books about ancient Greece and the Romans
Lots of books by Valerio Massimo Mandredi e.g. the Alexander Trilogy, Spartan, Heroes, The Last Legion etc
Rubicon by Tom Holland,
Mythos by Stephen Fry (ok not history, but it helps to understand the ancient greeks.
Upon finishing D-Day (Ambrose) I triumphantly told the missus I knew everything about D-Day and to ask me any question.
She kindly lobbed me a long hop outside the off stump "what does the "D" stand for?"
I am not sure that my spirit has ever recovered from that crushing.
I've visited one of the practice beaches in Devon (where it all went wrong).
AI - admin instruction. The plan as to what will happen, requesting stores, requesting weapons, who will do what, health and safety, risk assessments, etc. Kit lists, transport requests, what additional agencies are required, etc.
MEL - main events list. Exactly what will happen where at exactly what time, basically to the minute.
I can see some poor bod scratching his head over his typewriter writing up the 456th draft......0 -
You do know she was his brother's wife, right?kingstongraham said:I didn't realise until a few weeks ago that Henry VIII was married to Catherine of aragon for over 20 years before he had his midlife crisis. She stayed living at court after he divorced her.
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Widow, but yes.me-109 said:
You do know she was his brother's wife, right?kingstongraham said:I didn't realise until a few weeks ago that Henry VIII was married to Catherine of aragon for over 20 years before he had his midlife crisis. She stayed living at court after he divorced her.
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Just happened across this a day or two back. Nothing to do with me. Fills in some blank periods as mentioned above.
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