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This is what I know from going to school in England. Henry had 6 wives, divorced 2 but had to create his own church for the second. Lopped the heads off another 2 of them. Another one snuffed it of natural causes and the last one outlived him. I only remember that becasue of a rhyme. Cromwell was called Oliver, I've heard of Anne.
Kids know much more from watching Horrible Histories when they were little.2 -
Henry - historical Homer Simpson with an unhealthy wedding habit. Also Greensleeves
Cromwell - controversial, very mean to the Irish. Parliament. That looong film with young Dumbledore
Anne - weirdo Catholic, burned a lot of protestantsWe're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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I didn't realise until a few weeks ago that Henry VIII was married to Catherine of aragon for over 20 years before he had his midlife crisis. She stayed living at court after he divorced her.1
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Cnut.
Cnut.
Cnut.
No. Wait. That was earlier.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.1 -
😆ddraver said:Henry - historical Homer Simpson with an unhealthy wedding habit. Also Greensleeves
Cromwell - controversial, very mean to the Irish. Parliament. That looong film with young Dumbledore
Anne - weirdo Catholic, burned a lot of protestants
Wrong Cromwell. Distantly related, though.veronese68 said:This is what I know from going to school in England. Henry had 6 wives, divorced 2 but had to create his own church for the second. Lopped the heads off another 2 of them. Another one snuffed it of natural causes and the last one outlived him. I only remember that becasue of a rhyme. Cromwell was called Oliver, I've heard of Anne.
Kids know much more from watching Horrible Histories when they were little.
Mantel's a good read, but it's a novel not a biography.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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William William Henry Stephen Henry Richard John (Oi!)pblakeney said:Cnut.
Cnut.
Cnut.
No. Wait. That was earlier.
Henry Ed Ed Ed Rich 2
Then three more Henrys join our song
Edward Edward Rich the third
Henry, Henry, Ed again
Mary one, good Queen Bess
Jimmy, Charles and Charles and then
Jim, Will, Mary, Anna Gloria
George, George, George, George
Will, Victoria
Edward, George, Edward, George six
And Queen Liz two completes the mix
More seriously there are some good podcasts on the Tudors, including Not Just the Tudors.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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I do think English history is really badly taught at schools.
I managed to go all the way through the English system and get a degree in history and not once did I ever do the English civil war or any Cromwell.0 -
rick_chasey said:
I do think English history is really badly taught at schools.
I managed to go all the way through the English system and get a degree in history and not once did I ever do the English civil war or any Cromwell.
Me neither, but my O-level in the 70s was the Russian Revolution, WW2 and a bit of the Cold War.0 -
You're spot on with this. I never have a clue about the English history questions on University Challenge. Know a lot about Hitler, Stalin and Mao though!rick_chasey said:I do think English history is really badly taught at schools.
I managed to go all the way through the English system and get a degree in history and not once did I ever do the English civil war or any Cromwell.0 -
Have you been listening to Six The Musical? I know that from my daughter singing / playing the songs over and over. I also discovered that Jane Seymour's family home was a castle a few miles from where I live and that I pass regularly.kingstongraham said:I didn't realise until a few weeks ago that Henry VIII was married to Catherine of aragon for over 20 years before he had his midlife crisis. She stayed living at court after he divorced her.
Wasn't it Thomas Cromwell rather than Oliver that would have been in the Wolf Hall books?0 -
It used to be in primary school to a certain level.rick_chasey said:I do think English history is really badly taught at schools.
I managed to go all the way through the English system and get a degree in history and not once did I ever do the English civil war or any Cromwell.
History was all about knowing kings, queens, key battles and dates. No context.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
I learnt a lot of English history at school thanks to the curriculum set by English ran officialdom at the time.
Never learnt any Welsh history as despite being at school in Wales this was not allowed and actively discouraged at the time.
NB. We were taught about English kings building their castles in Wales!
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There’s a series of books by Peter Ackroyd which starts with foundation. Then volume 2 The Tudors, vol 3 Civil war. These give a broad over view of English history and very readable.
Juliet Barker is good for Henry V and anything by Ian Mortimer is usually a good read and he’s not backwards at coming forwards at having ago at other historians about not challenging history’s so called truths.0 -
Which given how foundational it is to the way the UK is, is madness. Hey ho.rick_chasey said:I do think English history is really badly taught at schools.
I managed to go all the way through the English system and get a degree in history and not once did I ever do the English civil war or any Cromwell.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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Yes. Thomas was Oliver's great great grand uncle.Pross said:
Have you been listening to Six The Musical? I know that from my daughter singing / playing the songs over and over. I also discovered that Jane Seymour's family home was a castle a few miles from where I live and that I pass regularly.kingstongraham said:I didn't realise until a few weeks ago that Henry VIII was married to Catherine of aragon for over 20 years before he had his midlife crisis. She stayed living at court after he divorced her.
Wasn't it Thomas Cromwell rather than Oliver that would have been in the Wolf Hall books?1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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We did the industrial revolution at school, so pretty much everything I know about these people is from my own reading, TV documentaries, films and podcasts e. You're Dead to Me.
Oh, and Horrible Histories as V68 alluded to0 -
I have always been amazed when watching things like mastermind and university challenge where people obtained their knowledge of English history. Similar to others here, I can recall lots about WW1 and 2 and recall some stuff about the Great fire from primary school but have never studied kings and queens etc.
I think it is one of the major differences between public and comprehensive schools. But that may be ill informed conjecture on my part.
However, this is where you have to delight in the absolute brilliance of Horrible Histories. My daughter was just the right age to grow up with the programmes which she always really enjoyed. I learnt a broader range of history from these shows than my school experience and she retains a keen interest in history to this day.1 -
I have always loved history despite doing the agricultural revolution at school. The corn laws and the invention of the seed drill are not the sort of history to inspire a 24 year old. When going on holiday I usually buy a couple of history books to take away.
I have about 20 at the moment I have read some of the ones I have on the civil war about 10 times.
It’s pity Oliver warts and all is not about now. The Johnson’s head would be decorating one of London’s bridges.
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I did the Industrial Revolution at GCSE which we covered in a fair bit of depth and which was predominantly related to (South) Wales. Would have been interesting other than it was taught by the most boring teacher in the school.womack said:I learnt a lot of English history at school thanks to the curriculum set by English ran officialdom at the time.
Never learnt any Welsh history as despite being at school in Wales this was not allowed and actively discouraged at the time.
NB. We were taught about English kings building their castles in Wales!0 -
I guess by its very nature it is just a massive subject so very hard to cover in depth unless focussing on certain periods. As mentioned above I covered the Industrial Revolution in a fair bit of depth at GCSE along with the history of crime and punishment in Britain (the Rise of Communist China was the final element).rick_chasey said:I do think English history is really badly taught at schools.
I managed to go all the way through the English system and get a degree in history and not once did I ever do the English civil war or any Cromwell.0 -
It's still going strong. Daughters watch it so avidly that I think they know most of the words to the songs.morstar said:I have always been amazed when watching things like mastermind and university challenge where people obtained their knowledge of English history. Similar to others here, I can recall lots about WW1 and 2 and recall some stuff about the Great fire from primary school but have never studied kings and queens etc.
I think it is one of the major differences between public and comprehensive schools. But that may be ill informed conjecture on my part.
However, this is where you have to delight in the absolute brilliance of Horrible Histories. My daughter was just the right age to grow up with the programmes which she always really enjoyed. I learnt a broader range of history from these shows than my school experience and she retains a keen interest in history to this day.
Rowan Atkinson as Henry VIII singing 'A Little More Reformation' is a good one.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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But what happened in the 1,000 years between the Romans leaving and the Normans turning up in Hastings. Then it goes quiet for 400 years until the Henrys makes an appearance. Then 200 years disappear before Wellington/Nelson and Napoleon liven things up. Then nothing for 100 years until Archduke Ferdinand gets unlucky.Pross said:
I guess by its very nature it is just a massive subject so very hard to cover in depth unless focussing on certain periods. As mentioned above I covered the Industrial Revolution in a fair bit of depth at GCSE along with the history of crime and punishment in Britain (the Rise of Communist China was the final element).rick_chasey said:I do think English history is really badly taught at schools.
I managed to go all the way through the English system and get a degree in history and not once did I ever do the English civil war or any Cromwell.
Ask 10 degree educated Brits when the American civil war was and 9 won’t get within 50 years.
And then for a laugh ask them when the Boer War was0 -
Really? I knew the American Civil War was mid 19th century (not the exact dates) and that the Boer war was turn of the 20th century.surrey_commuter said:
But what happened in the 1,000 years between the Romans leaving and the Normans turning up in Hastings. Then it goes quiet for 400 years until the Henrys makes an appearance. Then 200 years disappear before Wellington/Nelson and Napoleon liven things up. Then nothing for 100 years until Archduke Ferdinand gets unlucky.Pross said:
I guess by its very nature it is just a massive subject so very hard to cover in depth unless focussing on certain periods. As mentioned above I covered the Industrial Revolution in a fair bit of depth at GCSE along with the history of crime and punishment in Britain (the Rise of Communist China was the final element).rick_chasey said:I do think English history is really badly taught at schools.
I managed to go all the way through the English system and get a degree in history and not once did I ever do the English civil war or any Cromwell.
Ask 10 degree educated Brits when the American civil war was and 9 won’t get within 50 years.
And then for a laugh ask them when the Boer War was
I'm no historian but have read Bernard Cornwell's Starbuck Chronicles so possibly recall the approximate dates from those. The Boer War I guess I remember from my days in the scouts due to Baden-Powell and all that.
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No, took my nephew to Hampton Court Palace last weekend and actually bought a guide book.Pross said:
Have you been listening to Six The Musical? I know that from my daughter singing / playing the songs over and over. I also discovered that Jane Seymour's family home was a castle a few miles from where I live and that I pass regularly.kingstongraham said:I didn't realise until a few weeks ago that Henry VIII was married to Catherine of aragon for over 20 years before he had his midlife crisis. She stayed living at court after he divorced her.
Wasn't it Thomas Cromwell rather than Oliver that would have been in the Wolf Hall books?0 -
Maybe I mix with thickos but I think you will be surprised. Try asking your wife and kids.Pross said:
Really? I knew the American Civil War was mid 19th century (not the exact dates) and that the Boer war was turn of the 20th century.surrey_commuter said:
But what happened in the 1,000 years between the Romans leaving and the Normans turning up in Hastings. Then it goes quiet for 400 years until the Henrys makes an appearance. Then 200 years disappear before Wellington/Nelson and Napoleon liven things up. Then nothing for 100 years until Archduke Ferdinand gets unlucky.Pross said:
I guess by its very nature it is just a massive subject so very hard to cover in depth unless focussing on certain periods. As mentioned above I covered the Industrial Revolution in a fair bit of depth at GCSE along with the history of crime and punishment in Britain (the Rise of Communist China was the final element).rick_chasey said:I do think English history is really badly taught at schools.
I managed to go all the way through the English system and get a degree in history and not once did I ever do the English civil war or any Cromwell.
Ask 10 degree educated Brits when the American civil war was and 9 won’t get within 50 years.
And then for a laugh ask them when the Boer War was
I'm no historian but have read Bernard Cornwell's Starbuck Chronicles so possibly recall the approximate dates from those. The Boer War I guess I remember from my days in the scouts due to Baden-Powell and all that.
BTW mid nineteenth century counts as being correct. Though if it is TBB I would want the names of two generals on each side.0 -
