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  • No_Ta_Doctor
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    r0bh said:

    No_Ta_Doctor said:

    50x11 said:

    Farce, Denmark could now be classed as being on 2 warnings. Cheats and bad sportsmen to boot.

    :lol:

    The irony of (I assume) a brit accusing the Danes of cheating because they found a marginal gain costing a couple of quid, which they got uci approval for before the first race, when the gb team has pushed every grey area possible.

    I mean, have we forgotten about this already?
    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2012/aug/03/philip-hindes-british0cycling-crash

    Multiple countries complained about both the shin tape and something about the Dane's undervests too
    And this is exactly the sort of thing gb have been doing for well over a decade, where all complaints have been dismissed as sour grapes.

    Are those forks and seatstays on the Lotus not close to being fairings, BTW?

    As for the sportsmanship question that others have raised, yes, it was pretty unpleasant. It's not DK that are combing the rule books in minutiae to try and get a team that were absolutely smashing them DQed though.
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  • First.Aspect
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    dabber said:

    Just hope the track cycling doesn't go the direction of Formula 1

    Clearly the technology has made performances from 10 years ago hard to assess. Winning 2004 time was 4:00, 2008 was 4:15, 2012 was 3:52.

    That is not athletic progression, it is technological progression.
  • No_Ta_Doctor
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    First.Aspect said:

    dabber said:

    Just hope the track cycling doesn't go the direction of Formula 1

    Clearly the technology has made performances from 10 years ago hard to assess. Winning 2004 time was 4:00, 2008 was 4:15, 2012 was 3:52.

    That is not athletic progression, it is technological progression.
    It's a bit of both, but also analytical progression. The amount of data they have to work with now is ridiculous, and even the most marginal of gains can be measured. It's also lead to tactical reappraisal (e.g. re turn length)

    BTW, I'm not sure what the Danish team are riding in Tokyo, but I believe they were on off-the-shelf kit when they set the wr in Berlin last year
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  • r0bh
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    No_Ta_Doctor said:

    r0bh said:

    No_Ta_Doctor said:

    50x11 said:

    Farce, Denmark could now be classed as being on 2 warnings. Cheats and bad sportsmen to boot.

    :lol:

    The irony of (I assume) a brit accusing the Danes of cheating because they found a marginal gain costing a couple of quid, which they got uci approval for before the first race, when the gb team has pushed every grey area possible.

    I mean, have we forgotten about this already?
    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2012/aug/03/philip-hindes-british0cycling-crash

    Multiple countries complained about both the shin tape and something about the Dane's undervests too
    And this is exactly the sort of thing gb have been doing for well over a decade, where all complaints have been dismissed as sour grapes.

    Are those forks and seatstays on the Lotus not close to being fairings, BTW?

    As for the sportsmanship question that others have raised, yes, it was pretty unpleasant. It's not DK that are combing the rule books in minutiae to try and get a team that were absolutely smashing them DQed though.
    Have GB ever had a complaint about their equipment upheld? I can't remember anything
  • ddraver
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    daniel_b said:

    ddraver said:

    Yeesh, Laura Trott Angry face!

    Say what? She looked pretty happy with her silver from what I saw.
    When she had a mask on..?
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  • daniel_b
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    edited August 2021
    ddraver said:

    daniel_b said:

    ddraver said:

    Yeesh, Laura Trott Angry face!

    Say what? She looked pretty happy with her silver from what I saw.
    When she had a mask on..?
    Nope, when Jill Douglas interviewed the 4 of them for the BBC, none of them had masks on.
    I didn't see the actual ceremony - is this when she had an angry face on...?

    Genuinely confused.

    EDIT: Just watched the medal ceremony, they didn't look ecstatic, but then for archibald and kenny they are used to winning golds, so it is bound to be less than they were aiming for. There were smiles though, and they did have pictures with the masks off, so I am no clearer.

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  • TheBigBean
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    Wish the BBC could adopt the "live" symbol for live stuff.
  • Ben6899
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    TheBigBean said:

    kingstongraham said:

    It's possible that he's just a really fast 400m runner, and they don't normally concentrate on the hurdles. Plus shoes are a bit faster.

    I was questioning the rest of the field who were also really quick. If you looked at the race, the splits aren't the sort you would expect if someone was knocking 0.7s off the world record.

    I mean, I we really sat here in a cycling forum, asking why times are so quick?
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  • TheBigBean
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    Ben6899 said:

    TheBigBean said:

    kingstongraham said:

    It's possible that he's just a really fast 400m runner, and they don't normally concentrate on the hurdles. Plus shoes are a bit faster.

    I was questioning the rest of the field who were also really quick. If you looked at the race, the splits aren't the sort you would expect if someone was knocking 0.7s off the world record.

    I mean, I we really sat here in a cycling forum, asking why times are so quick?
    Well we know the answer is different race conditions, so times aren't comparable.
  • Ben6899
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    Finally caught up with today's cycling.

    End of an era for Team GB and cycling, it feels. Tempting to relate this to all the sh1t that's gone down in the past few years.
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  • andyp
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    Ben6899 said:

    Finally caught up with today's cycling.

    End of an era for Team GB and cycling, it feels. Tempting to relate this to all the censored that's gone down in the past few years.

    Team GB have won eight cycling medals so far; three Golds, four silvers and a bronze, with more chances still to come. I get the track team are less dominant than previously, but that's still a very decent return with more opportunities to come.
  • gweeds
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    Feels like there are some simple changes that could be made. For instance NOT having a TP sub out on his road bike before a final.
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  • TheBigBean
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    Looks like the 11th fastest women's 800m of all time which given some of the runners and time period in the top 10, is pretty nippy.
  • elbowloh
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    TheBigBean said:

    Looks like the 11th fastest women's 800m of all time which given some of the runners and time period in the top 10, is pretty nippy.

    I feel GB would do well in a 4X800m relay with 3 women in the 800m final...
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  • andyrac
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    That was an impressive race; and the winner removed any tactics from the race - and made all.
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  • elbowloh
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    andyrac said:

    That was an impressive race; and the winner removed any tactics from the race - and made all.

    She hit the front and slowed it right down until the bell, then wound it up in that second 400. It was tactical.
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  • daniel_b
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    I don't think we'll see gb dominating on the track again like they did for the last few Olympics.

    That's good for the sport overall, but I can't see that being the end of the story with regards to gb.

    There are several track events coming up where they have some real opportunities.
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  • focuszing723
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    focuszing723 said:

    Athing Mu (born June 8, 2002) is an American middle-distance runner. She set the world under-20 record in the women's indoor 800 meters in early 2021 with a time of 1:58.40 sec, and the world under-20 best in the indoor 600 meters in 2019 when she was 16 years of age. Mu's time over 600 meters, 1:23.57, is the second fastest ever run indoors and the second fastest run by an American woman in any condition.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athing_Mu

    Incredible running by Athing Mu (USA) in the 800m. Her stride was at a third of the rate of the other athletes.
    It was clear who was going to get gold just from the heats.
  • First.Aspect
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    You have to bear in mind that these are the pandemic Olympics. We are seeing some odd results. One theory, which I quite liked, came from the rowing commentary (Cracknell I think) - to the effect that the crew events were dominated by countries that had dealt better with the virus.

    He was referring to Australian and Kiwi boats in particular, but there may be something in that GB has dealt worse with the pandemic than all competing nations, with the possible exception of the US where they didn't have anywhere near as many lockdown restrictions.

    Can you effectively train for the team pursuit or team sprint on your own?
  • Lanterne_Rogue
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    I don't think the success of GB cycling on the BMX or mtb really offsets the issues they've had so far on the track - they're very separate programs (and I'm not sure what real input they had to Pidcock's success anyway).

    Keely Hodgkinson was a bit sparky after her silver in the 800m. I know some people disparaged coming second (and GB have a heck of a lot of those in this games), but she's in her first Olympic final, she's run a PB and national record, she's just nineteen, and she's apparently having a ball. Good for her.
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  • pblakeney
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    edited August 2021
    First.Aspect said:



    Can you effectively train for the team pursuit or team sprint on your own?

    You can do fitness training, but you can't practice the teamwork aspect.
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  • gweeds
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    Lanterne_Rogue said:

    I don't think the success of GB cycling on the BMX or mtb really offsets the issues they've had so far on the track - they're very separate programs (and I'm not sure what real input they had to Pidcock's success anyway).

    Keely Hodgkinson was a bit sparky after her silver in the 800m. I know some people disparaged coming second (and GB have a heck of a lot of those in this games), but she's in her first Olympic final, she's run a PB and national record, she's just nineteen, and she's apparently having a ball. Good for her.

    Some people, like Piers Morgan who is human bin juice.

    She’s done brilliantly.
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  • andyrac
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    elbowloh said:

    andyrac said:

    That was an impressive race; and the winner removed any tactics from the race - and made all.

    She hit the front and slowed it right down until the bell, then wound it up in that second 400. It was tactical.
    It was still a quick time though.....
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  • DeVlaeminck
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    pblakeney said:

    First.Aspect said:



    Can you effectively train for the team pursuit or team sprint on your own?

    You can do fitness training, but you can't practice the teamwork aspect.
    How long did they miss though - the football team I run have been back training for over a year now.
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  • yorkshireraw
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    TheBigBean said:

    kingstongraham said:

    It's possible that he's just a really fast 400m runner, and they don't normally concentrate on the hurdles. Plus shoes are a bit faster.

    I was questioning the rest of the field who were also really quick. If you looked at the race, the splits aren't the sort you would expect if someone was knocking 0.7s off the world record.
    Similar to the London 2012 mens 800m. Athletes pace off each other to a degree so if the WR holder is in the form of his life, in the biggest stage and everyone else is peaking too (and they've got 'new' shoes), then mad things can happen. Andrew Osagie ran 1:43 that day and never got near that before or since.

    The event was arguably on a plateau for a good 25 years post Kevin Young's 92 WR, whereas all the rest of the track events (for whatever reason....) moved on. It's prob getting to where it should be relative to the flat 400 if you think Van Niekirk ran 43.03 five years ago.
    Still, 45.9 is mad.
  • First.Aspect
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    DeVlaeminck said:

    pblakeney said:

    First.Aspect said:



    Can you effectively train for the team pursuit or team sprint on your own?

    You can do fitness training, but you can't practice the teamwork aspect.
    How long did they miss though - the football team I run have been back training for over a year now.
    Indoors?
  • DeVlaeminck
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    First.Aspect said:

    DeVlaeminck said:

    pblakeney said:

    First.Aspect said:



    Can you effectively train for the team pursuit or team sprint on your own?

    You can do fitness training, but you can't practice the teamwork aspect.
    How long did they miss though - the football team I run have been back training for over a year now.
    Indoors?
    Yeah fair point. I don't know if any dispensation was made for them being pro athletes?
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  • First.Aspect
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    DeVlaeminck said:

    First.Aspect said:

    DeVlaeminck said:

    pblakeney said:

    First.Aspect said:



    Can you effectively train for the team pursuit or team sprint on your own?

    You can do fitness training, but you can't practice the teamwork aspect.
    How long did they miss though - the football team I run have been back training for over a year now.
    Indoors?
    Yeah fair point. I don't know if any dispensation was made for them being pro athletes?
    Neither do I. Although strictly they are amateur. Remember there have been travel restrictions as well.

    There's a rowing Youtuber - national squad member, in the Scottish team but not one of the top UK guys yet - who has had to take up sculling from scratch because crew rowing has been halted. So at least one example of an elite athlete who has been muddling through. Not sure if he's lottery funded.
  • yorkshireraw
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    andyrac said:

    That was an impressive race; and the winner removed any tactics from the race - and made all.

    And was equally impressive in her interview. Articulate, mature, positive and gracious. At 19. Having just won the Olympics. Brilliant.

    Keely Hodgkinson's reaction was great. Can't beat a bit of 'what the F?!' on the Beeb at lunchtime. And fully understandable.

    Really pleased for Alex Bell as well - she has been on the harsh side of some selection etc decisions a couple of times and has stuck at it. She was only called up when Laura Muir gave up her 800 place (I think less than 3 weeks back). To make the final and run a PB is a great F you to a few people.

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