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TDF 2021: Stage 20, Libourne > Saint-Emilion 30.8 km ITT **Spoilers**

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Stage 20, Libourne > Saint-Emilion 30.8 km

17-7-2021
Start: 12-05pm


The penultimate stage of the Tour de France is the second time trial of the race. The route is 31 kilometres long and takes place in the rolling vineyards near Bordeaux, between Libourne and Saint-Emilion. The course's small rises and long drags will perfectly suit the time trial specialists.
In 1996, the medieval wine town hosted it's only other visit from Le Tour. It used as finish in a 63.5 kilometer ITT from Bordeaux, which was won by a young upstart by the name of Jan Ullrich.



The route takes it clockwise from Libourne to Pomerol. Just beyond the village of La Patache, the course checks to the east, loops through Pomerol and then follows a comparatively straight trajectory to reach the outskirts of Lussac, at the course’s most easterly point, then swings in a loop to the South West, before a final turn to the South and Saint-Emilion.
The vineyard setting showcases some of the finest Bordeaux wine chateaux, which can command enormous prices. After all the small gear climbing in the Pyrenees, this big gear test could be of concern for the climbers.



Final Kilometres




Top 10 first time trial:
1. Pogacar
2. Küng + 0.19
3. Vingegaard + 0.27
4. Van Aert + 0.30
5. *Van der Poel + 0.31
6. Asgreen + 0.37
7. *Roglic + 0.44
8. Cattaneo + 0.55
9. Porte s.t.
10. Lutsenko + 1.00

* Denotes fallen by the wayside.

Last day, or second last day, time-trials in a Grand Tour are less about someone’s time trialling ability and more about how physically riders have come through the three weeks. So if you’re physically tired you are going to be losing time and if you’re in a good place exiting the Tour de France then time can be made up. But we won’t see the same gaps we saw last year.

Favourites stage 20 Tour de France 2021

***** Tadej Pogacar
**** Wout van Aert, Stefan Küng, Kasper Asgreen
*** Stefan Bissegger, Jonas Vingegaard, Mikkel Bjerg, Dylan van Baarle,
** Mattia Cattaneo, Michał Kwiatkowski, Jonathan Castroviejo
* Brandon McNulty, Geraint Thomas, Richie Porte, Alexey Lutsenko, Wilco Kelderman


The Wine Route.

Listed as a UNESCO World Heritage Site, the wine-growing and cultural landscapes of Saint-Emilion, together with the neighbouring designations of Pomerol and Fronsac, form an exceptional group of Appellations d’Origine Contrôlée (AOCs) wines and historic sites established on one of the most legendary Bordeaux wine routes.

Pomerol

Pomerol is a small plateau dotted with small wine farms, on an even smaller scale. The most famous Pomerol of all, Petrus, comprises hardly 12 ha (30 acres) of a very special clay, and there are other properties such as Ch Lafleur and Le Pin whose extremely limited size helps to bolster the prices of their extremely fine, opulent wines. Pomerols are velvety, rich, Merlot-based wines which can smell almost meaty and can give an enormous amount of pleasure.



On the right bank of the river, the Saint-Emilion wine-growing region gathers more than 900 winegrowers. It boasts a unique mosaic of terroirs, plots, and small wineries. The geological diversity of the soils, predominantly clay and limestone, allows for skilful and expressive blends of grape varieties. The omnipresent Merlot, complemented by Cabernet Franc and Cabernet Sauvignon, gives Saint-Emilion red wines their unique finesse and personality. There are four appellations: Saint-Émilion, Saint-Émilion Grand Cru, Lussac Saint-Émilion, and Puisseguin Saint-Émilion.



2019 Saint-Emilion, Cuvée Peaky Blinders

The 2019 Saint-Emilion bottled in order of the Shelby Company limited is a blend of Merlot for 72%, Cabernet f*****g Franc for 22% and the rest is Cabernet Sauvignon.





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  • notquite6footnotquite6foot Posts: 155
    142 still in the race - Tadej Pogačar due to start at 17:19 CEST
  • mrfpbmrfpb Posts: 4,540
    Any idea as to time cut off?
    And who will give the first indicator of a winning time?
  • notquite6footnotquite6foot Posts: 155
    edited 17 July
    André Greipel - the Great Gentle Giant German Gorilla and long-time rival of Cav - has said this season will be his last.

    With 158 wins under his belt (including 22 Grand Tour stages and the Hamburg Cyclassics), it's been a great career.
    mrfpb said:

    Any idea as to time cut off?

    25% of the winner's time.
    mrfpb said:

    And who will give the first indicator of a winning time?

    Probably Tadej when he wins today's stage.
  • Mad_MalxMad_Malx Posts: 4,308
    Cav winning the TT. I think he'll get his 35 today.
  • ProssPross Posts: 28,252
    Time cut off is 25% of the winning time. I would guess the winning time will be around 37-38 minutes so between 9-10 minutes.
  • mrfpbmrfpb Posts: 4,540
    Looks like Cav will beat Froome again!
  • mrfpbmrfpb Posts: 4,540
    Declerq finishes in 40:20 and was the slowest of the 4 DQS riders at the checkpoints, so unlikely anyone of the first 20 on the road will be troubling the cut off, especially Cav.
  • mrfpbmrfpb Posts: 4,540


    mrfpb said:

    And who will give the first indicator of a winning time?

    Probably Tadej when he wins today's stage.
    I was thinking a ballpark figure - is there an early rider today that is likely to give a top ten or twenty time?

  • tailwindhometailwindhome Posts: 16,479
    mrfpb said:


    mrfpb said:

    And who will give the first indicator of a winning time?

    Probably Tadej when he wins today's stage.
    I was thinking a ballpark figure - is there an early rider today that is likely to give a top ten or twenty time?

    Bisseger is on the road
    Believe that a farther shore
    Is reachable from here.
    Believe in miracles
    And cures and healing wells
  • blazing_saddlesblazing_saddles Posts: 17,909
    edited 17 July
    34- 30” is my guess
    "Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.
  • mrfpbmrfpb Posts: 4,540

    mrfpb said:


    mrfpb said:

    And who will give the first indicator of a winning time?

    Probably Tadej when he wins today's stage.
    I was thinking a ballpark figure - is there an early rider today that is likely to give a top ten or twenty time?

    Bisseger is on the road
    Cheers
  • notquite6footnotquite6foot Posts: 155
    edited 17 July
    That would translate to roughly 53.5km/h, which is possible. A sub-42-minute ride should be enough to stay in the race.
  • rick_chaseyrick_chasey Posts: 55,921 Lives Here
    This forum has gone cut off mad
  • Mad_MalxMad_Malx Posts: 4,308
    When are the last 3 setting off?
  • notquite6footnotquite6foot Posts: 155
    edited 17 July
    Start times / splits on PCS

    About 4:15pm UK time for the last three.
  • tailwindhometailwindhome Posts: 16,479
    mrfpb said:

    mrfpb said:


    mrfpb said:

    And who will give the first indicator of a winning time?

    Probably Tadej when he wins today's stage.
    I was thinking a ballpark figure - is there an early rider today that is likely to give a top ten or twenty time?

    Bisseger is on the road
    Cheers
    Bissegger in 36'38"
    Takes the lead

    Believe that a farther shore
    Is reachable from here.
    Believe in miracles
    And cures and healing wells
  • ugo.santaluciaugo.santalucia Posts: 26,351
    Any comment on the rumours that Pogacar's rear wheel (among others) makes a strange noise?
    Just read it on Repubblica.it
  • No_Ta_DoctorNo_Ta_Doctor Posts: 11,002

    Any comment on the rumours that Pogacar's rear wheel (among others) makes a strange noise?
    Just read it on Repubblica.it

    Sounds like the usual tinfoil hat stuff tbh
    “Road racing was over and the UCI had banned my riding positions on the track, so it was like ‘Jings, crivvens, help ma Boab, what do I do now? I know, I’ll go away and be depressed for 10 years’.”

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  • ugo.santaluciaugo.santalucia Posts: 26,351

    Any comment on the rumours that Pogacar's rear wheel (among others) makes a strange noise?
    Just read it on Repubblica.it

    Sounds like the usual tinfoil hat stuff tbh
    Yeah, all bollox...
    I don't think racers would use a motor, to be honest... drugs are different, there's always been a culture that drugs in sport are more acceptable than other means of cheating.
    Basically, the belief among many is that doping helps you cope with the huge pain you have to endure in order to win... a bit like taking paracetamol... of course it's not how it works, but that is still the culture.

    A motor is a completely different ball game
  • ddraverddraver Posts: 22,641
    Disk wheels have always made a funny noise no?

    I remember hearing one the first time and I didnt know what it was
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • mididoctorsmididoctors Posts: 9,860

    This forum has gone cut off mad

    More tension than the GC
    "If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm
  • mididoctorsmididoctors Posts: 9,860
    edited 17 July

    Any comment on the rumours that Pogacar's rear wheel (among others) makes a strange noise?
    Just read it on Repubblica.it

    Yeah I have one . What a load of bollox . You would end up headfirst into road furniture if you used a motor at the tour .. from your own team
    "If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm
  • TheBigBeanTheBigBean Posts: 13,160

    This forum has gone cut off mad

    It has, but you've gone to the other extreme and failed to notice all the eliminated riders or the ones making it by seconds.
  • RichN95.RichN95. Posts: 25,272
    The question I'd ask these alleged riders who are hearing these 'motors' is, if they are using motors, how are you keeping up with them?
    Twitter: @RichN95
  • rick_chaseyrick_chasey Posts: 55,921 Lives Here

    This forum has gone cut off mad

    It has, but you've gone to the other extreme and failed to notice all the eliminated riders or the ones making it by seconds.
    Happens every tour. No one bothered about it before - what’s different?

    At this level if you’re not making the limit you shouldn’t be in the race anyway so they’re doing you a favour.
  • jimmyjamsjimmyjams Posts: 377



    The 2019 Saint-Emilion bottled in order of the Shelby Company limited is a blend of Merlot for 72%, Cabernet f*****g Franc for 22% and the rest is Cabernet Sauvignon.


    What's the problem with Cabenet Franc?
    Two common and well-liked grape varieties are hybrid descendants of Franc – Merlot and, more importantly, Cab. Sauvignon – without their 'dad', we wouldn't have them!

    The vine also has other things going for it - withstands cooler weather okay (so found on the Loire and in Fruili, the cool NE region in Italy), and has less tannin than several grape types (so better suits some people).
  • jimmyjamsjimmyjams Posts: 377
    No discussion about the prospects of (a) O'Connor and Keldermann, (b) Mas and Lutsenko, and (c ) Bilbao and Martin all to swap places in the GC today?

    I think (a) and (c ) very likely, and (b) quite possible.
  • rick_chaseyrick_chasey Posts: 55,921 Lives Here
    Kelderman is supposed to be a decent TTer but had a shocker on stage 5
  • RichN95.RichN95. Posts: 25,272

    This forum has gone cut off mad

    It has, but you've gone to the other extreme and failed to notice all the eliminated riders or the ones making it by seconds.
    Happens every tour. No one bothered about it before - what’s different?
    There's more live data now so we can actually follow it in real time.
    Twitter: @RichN95
  • TheBigBeanTheBigBean Posts: 13,160
    edited 17 July

    This forum has gone cut off mad

    It has, but you've gone to the other extreme and failed to notice all the eliminated riders or the ones making it by seconds.
    Happens every tour. No one bothered about it before - what’s different?

    At this level if you’re not making the limit you shouldn’t be in the race anyway so they’re doing you a favour.
    I suspect there have been more this tour, but I have no evidence to back that up. It used to only cull the sick and injured.
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