TDF 2021: Stage 8, Oyonnax > Le Grand-Bornand 150.8 km **Spoilers**
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Yates and Carapaz aren't are they?rick_chasey said:0 -
You realise that all that stuff from Bernal about his best ever numbers was all just bluff and bluster?zest28 said:
Bernal has no chance against Pogacar. Last year, Bernal did his best power numbers ever (he was stronger than when he won the TdF) and he still got destroyed.mrb123 said:Hard to see how Pog can be beaten for the foreseeable future.
Bernal at his best might hold him on the climbs but will ship minutes to him in the TTs.0 -
So you are saying Bernal was lying that he was producing his best power numbers ever?mrb123 said:
You realise that all that stuff from Bernal about his best ever numbers was all just bluff and bluster?zest28 said:
Bernal has no chance against Pogacar. Last year, Bernal did his best power numbers ever (he was stronger than when he won the TdF) and he still got destroyed.mrb123 said:Hard to see how Pog can be beaten for the foreseeable future.
Bernal at his best might hold him on the climbs but will ship minutes to him in the TTs.
It doesn’t make sense to lie about stuff like this.0 -
Probably the only bad move Rod Ellingworth has made in his career was leaving Bahrain to return to Ineos.blazing_saddles said:Bahrain's golden streak continues. 30 odd wins since the Giro.
Time gaps today were like the Giro on a stage over the Gavia/Mortirolo.0 -
Bit of a strange Tour now - seems like it's done and dusted if Pogacar can avoid illness and injury.
I doubt that he's going to go unchallenged in future grand tours just because history suggests challengers will emerge bit it's hard to see who right now.[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]0 -
Yes, he was lying. He didn't want to admit he was crocked because his rivals would only turn the screw even more. Do you really think he was going better than he had been the year before or indeed how he went at thr Giro this year?zest28 said:
So you are saying Bernal was lying? Bernal even admitted that the others are simply much stronger than him.mrb123 said:
You realise that all that stuff from Bernal about his best ever numbers was all just bluff and bluster?zest28 said:
Bernal has no chance against Pogacar. Last year, Bernal did his best power numbers ever (he was stronger than when he won the TdF) and he still got destroyed.mrb123 said:Hard to see how Pog can be beaten for the foreseeable future.
Bernal at his best might hold him on the climbs but will ship minutes to him in the TTs.
Don't forget he quit the Tour a day or two after producing those best ever numbers!1 -
Still. We're in an era when winning margins are counted in handfuls of seconds, and then along he comes and gives us a crushing margin the likes of which we haven't seen since the Pantani and Armstrong days. I've been watching cycling for a long time and this has familiar feelings. Feelings I thought had gone.rick_chasey said:1 -
Bernal was most dominant on the Giau stage this year, and he won that by 27 seconds from Damiano Caruso. That's the kind of gap we have come to expect in recent years. A 3 minute pounding harks back to another era.mrb123 said:
Yes, he was lying. He didn't want to admit he was crocked because his rivals would only turn the screw even more. Do you really think he was going better than he had been the year before or indeed how he went at thr Giro this year?zest28 said:
So you are saying Bernal was lying? Bernal even admitted that the others are simply much stronger than him.mrb123 said:
You realise that all that stuff from Bernal about his best ever numbers was all just bluff and bluster?zest28 said:
Bernal has no chance against Pogacar. Last year, Bernal did his best power numbers ever (he was stronger than when he won the TdF) and he still got destroyed.mrb123 said:Hard to see how Pog can be beaten for the foreseeable future.
Bernal at his best might hold him on the climbs but will ship minutes to him in the TTs.
Don't forget he quit the Tour a day or two after producing those best ever numbers!0 -
Honestly I think the competition flatters the performance.phreak said:
Still. We're in an era when winning margins are counted in handfuls of seconds, and then along he comes and gives us a crushing margin the likes of which we haven't seen since the Pantani and Armstrong days. I've been watching cycling for a long time and this has familiar feelings. Feelings I thought had gone.rick_chasey said:
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He didn't win today though.phreak said:
Still. We're in an era when winning margins are counted in handfuls of seconds, and then along he comes and gives us a crushing margin the likes of which we haven't seen since the Pantani and Armstrong days. I've been watching cycling for a long time and this has familiar feelings. Feelings I thought had gone.rick_chasey said:
Nibali won by 7:37 in 2014. When the rest of the field disappears, there might be big margins from the best in the world.0 -
There's still 2 weeks of the race to go. A lot can happen in that time.0
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The likeliest scenario is Pog is never in serious trouble from hereon in.lettingthedaysgoby said:There's still 2 weeks of the race to go. A lot can happen in that time.
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Allegedly the biggest grupetto ever. Don't think I'll bother listing them in the LR thread...1
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Cav is there. And Froome is looking at...
Correlation is not causation.2 -
Was going to say no sign of Cav in the results up to 35 minutes so far so must have been close if they've made it.[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]0
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Judged to perfection. That 35'01" group is the grupetto, it's just taking a while to update.DeVlaeminck said:Was going to say no sign of Cav in the results up to 35 minutes so far so must have been close if they've made it.
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Up now in the 35:01 group[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]0
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How many times have we heard that before?rick_chasey said:
Honestly I think the competition flatters the performance.phreak said:
Still. We're in an era when winning margins are counted in handfuls of seconds, and then along he comes and gives us a crushing margin the likes of which we haven't seen since the Pantani and Armstrong days. I've been watching cycling for a long time and this has familiar feelings. Feelings I thought had gone.rick_chasey said:
Let me put that another way. Do you think that a fit Roglic, could have done what Pogacar did?
It's a bit condescending towards Carapaz for one."Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
Carapaz has clearly been the best climber of "the rest" this year and was out-climbing Roglic at the Vuelta, yet he lost 3 minutes in about an hour of climbing. Not sure how that can be framed as anything other than extraordinary.rick_chasey said:
Honestly I think the competition flatters the performance.phreak said:
Still. We're in an era when winning margins are counted in handfuls of seconds, and then along he comes and gives us a crushing margin the likes of which we haven't seen since the Pantani and Armstrong days. I've been watching cycling for a long time and this has familiar feelings. Feelings I thought had gone.rick_chasey said:0 -
No but I think they’d have lost less time.blazing_saddles said:
How many times have we heard that before?rick_chasey said:
Honestly I think the competition flatters the performance.phreak said:
Still. We're in an era when winning margins are counted in handfuls of seconds, and then along he comes and gives us a crushing margin the likes of which we haven't seen since the Pantani and Armstrong days. I've been watching cycling for a long time and this has familiar feelings. Feelings I thought had gone.rick_chasey said:
Let me put that another way. Do you think that a fit Roglic, could have done what Pogacar did?
It's a bit condescending towards Carapaz for one.
Last year’s jumbo would have controlled it better too.0 -
Taking WVA out of the GC, this is what things in the top 10 currently look like:
1) Pogacar.
Lutsenko @ 4'-38"
Uran @ 4'-46"
Vingegaard @ 5'-00
Carapaz @ 5-01"
Kelderman @ 5'-13"
Mas @ 5'-15"
Gaudu @ 5'-52""
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Bilbao @ 6'-41"
Potential winning margin over 10 minutes?"Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
Look back at that race and the stages Nibali won in the mountains. He consistently took time, but his biggest winning margin was 1m10s. That's a whole world away from crushing your rivals by 3 minutes over a single climb.kingstongraham said:
He didn't win today though.phreak said:
Still. We're in an era when winning margins are counted in handfuls of seconds, and then along he comes and gives us a crushing margin the likes of which we haven't seen since the Pantani and Armstrong days. I've been watching cycling for a long time and this has familiar feelings. Feelings I thought had gone.rick_chasey said:
Nibali won by 7:37 in 2014. When the rest of the field disappears, there might be big margins from the best in the world.
I hark back to Basso on the Bondone when Simoni described him as extra-terrestrial, and even then Basso only put 1m30s or so into the rest. 3 minutes in roughly 16km of racing is not something that happens.0 -
I had some familiar feelings: there'll be loads of people questioning the performance based on nothing but gut feel, but adamant that something dodgy is going on. The constant suspicion and innuendo from many spoils things more for me than someone actually getting popped.phreak said:
Still. We're in an era when winning margins are counted in handfuls of seconds, and then along he comes and gives us a crushing margin the likes of which we haven't seen since the Pantani and Armstrong days. I've been watching cycling for a long time and this has familiar feelings. Feelings I thought had gone.rick_chasey said:It's only a bit of sport, Mun. Relax and enjoy the racing.4 -
Well, he will be tested every day now that he is in Yellow.
No doubt there are ways to circumvent that though.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Hopefully Carapaz will race a bit smarter now. Should be able to take time out of the rest of them if he times his moves a bit better.0
