GB News

shortfall

elbowloh said:

This Paul Embery

Yes he was removed from his position as an official of the FBU after the Stalinist general secretary brought in a new rule and retrospectively applied it precisely in order to sack him. There is currently a tribunal waiting to hear the case I believe. What does this have to do with anything I said about him being of the left and a trade union activist? Are you suggesting he can't be left wing because of his support for Brexit or because he speaks out against identity politics? I really don't understand the criticism here. He has willingly appeared on GB News on several occasions and was given a platform to advocate some of his leftist opinions. He wasn't heckled or shouted down by the other panellists and guests, and he will doubtless appear on it again which I don't think he would do if he felt he was being crowded out by a bunch of spittle flecked, foaming mouthed right wingers. I mean some of the reaction here is too funny and you wonder why I often comment on the balance of opinions in Cakestop.

focuszing723

rick_chasey said:

Stevo_666 said:

rick_chasey said:

rjsterry said:

I don't think you need to go in for RC's political realignment hobby horse, so much as just recognising that
1. the people setting up GB News have significantly overestimated the size of the supposed silent majority who share their view of the world,
2. They put too much store in the prowess of Neil as a political broadcaster and not enough in all the stuff that goes to making a TV station actually function.

It was billed as 'right leaning' and in the current context that means leaning towards old and/or uneducated.

Funny that, as people who tend to be 'right leaning' are often pretty successful, which usually does not correlate well with your uneducated premise.

o rly.

How can Liberals be so clever if they spend all day smoking d' herb?

elbowloh

shortfall said:

elbowloh said:

This Paul Embery

Yes he was removed from his position as an official of the FBU after the Stalinist general secretary brought in a new rule and retrospectively applied it. There is currently a tribunal waiting to hear the case I believe. What does this have to do with anything I said about him being of the left and a trade union activist? Are you suggesting he can't be left wing because of his support for Brexit or because he speaks out against identity politics? I really don't understand the criticism here. He has willingly appeared on GB News on several occasions and was given a platform to advocate some of his leftist opinions. He wasn't heckled or shouted down by the other panellists and guests, and he will doubtless appear on it again which I don't think he would do if he felt he was being crowded out by a bunch of spittle flecked, foaming mouthed right wingers. I mean some of the reaction here is too funny and you wonder why I often comment on the balance of opinions in Cakestop.

It seems like he's a part of a pal's network with Farage. He's been brought in as a friendly face, not for his objective views. That's not balance.

shortfall

elbowloh said:

shortfall said:

elbowloh said:

This Paul Embery

Yes he was removed from his position as an official of the FBU after the Stalinist general secretary brought in a new rule and retrospectively applied it. There is currently a tribunal waiting to hear the case I believe. What does this have to do with anything I said about him being of the left and a trade union activist? Are you suggesting he can't be left wing because of his support for Brexit or because he speaks out against identity politics? I really don't understand the criticism here. He has willingly appeared on GB News on several occasions and was given a platform to advocate some of his leftist opinions. He wasn't heckled or shouted down by the other panellists and guests, and he will doubtless appear on it again which I don't think he would do if he felt he was being crowded out by a bunch of spittle flecked, foaming mouthed right wingers. I mean some of the reaction here is too funny and you wonder why I often comment on the balance of opinions in Cakestop.

It seems like he's a part of a pal's network with Farage. He's been brought in as a friendly face, not for his objective views.

Ok if you say so.

elbowloh

shortfall said:

elbowloh said:

shortfall said:

elbowloh said:

This Paul Embery

Yes he was removed from his position as an official of the FBU after the Stalinist general secretary brought in a new rule and retrospectively applied it. There is currently a tribunal waiting to hear the case I believe. What does this have to do with anything I said about him being of the left and a trade union activist? Are you suggesting he can't be left wing because of his support for Brexit or because he speaks out against identity politics? I really don't understand the criticism here. He has willingly appeared on GB News on several occasions and was given a platform to advocate some of his leftist opinions. He wasn't heckled or shouted down by the other panellists and guests, and he will doubtless appear on it again which I don't think he would do if he felt he was being crowded out by a bunch of spittle flecked, foaming mouthed right wingers. I mean some of the reaction here is too funny and you wonder why I often comment on the balance of opinions in Cakestop.

It seems like he's a part of a pal's network with Farage. He's been brought in as a friendly face, not for his objective views.

Ok if you say so.

Cool, we're agreed.

shortfall

elbowloh said:

shortfall said:

elbowloh said:

shortfall said:

elbowloh said:

This Paul Embery

Yes he was removed from his position as an official of the FBU after the Stalinist general secretary brought in a new rule and retrospectively applied it. There is currently a tribunal waiting to hear the case I believe. What does this have to do with anything I said about him being of the left and a trade union activist? Are you suggesting he can't be left wing because of his support for Brexit or because he speaks out against identity politics? I really don't understand the criticism here. He has willingly appeared on GB News on several occasions and was given a platform to advocate some of his leftist opinions. He wasn't heckled or shouted down by the other panellists and guests, and he will doubtless appear on it again which I don't think he would do if he felt he was being crowded out by a bunch of spittle flecked, foaming mouthed right wingers. I mean some of the reaction here is too funny and you wonder why I often comment on the balance of opinions in Cakestop.

It seems like he's a part of a pal's network with Farage. He's been brought in as a friendly face, not for his objective views.

Ok if you say so.

Cool, we're agreed.

Well not really but go ahead and have the last word.

pangolin

hopkinb

Stevo_666 said:

rick_chasey said:

rjsterry said:

I don't think you need to go in for RC's political realignment hobby horse, so much as just recognising that
1. the people setting up GB News have significantly overestimated the size of the supposed silent majority who share their view of the world,
2. They put too much store in the prowess of Neil as a political broadcaster and not enough in all the stuff that goes to making a TV station actually function.

It was billed as 'right leaning' and in the current context that means leaning towards old and/or uneducated.

Funny that, as people who tend to be 'right leaning' are often pretty successful, which usually does not correlate well with your uneducated premise.

Not that I've watched an enormous amount of GB News, but maybe you should tell me what programmes I should be watching given that I'm a graduate with a professional qualification?

Stevo, I've met you, and I like you.

Our household income is (according to google) apparently above 99.5% of that of the general population. We are both highly educated professionals in high paying jobs. We are therefore pretty successful. Not in a million years would I, or my wife, (who I very considerately allow to earn more than me) consider voting for the conservative party. They are, particularly in their current iteration, vile, contemptible, racist, retrograde scum. Lining theirs, and their friend's pockets, smashing through the ministerial code, literally justifying it because the PM is "popular".

Today's tory party is unashamedly playing for the old/thick/racist/couldn't give a fcuk/selfish vote. Pick one. Which one are you? And to be fair, it'll be your pension they're after next, when they realise where their support lies, and how much money they have to raise when Brexit fcuks a massive hole in the country's finances.

elbowloh

shortfall said:

elbowloh said:

shortfall said:

elbowloh said:

shortfall said:

elbowloh said:

This Paul Embery

Yes he was removed from his position as an official of the FBU after the Stalinist general secretary brought in a new rule and retrospectively applied it. There is currently a tribunal waiting to hear the case I believe. What does this have to do with anything I said about him being of the left and a trade union activist? Are you suggesting he can't be left wing because of his support for Brexit or because he speaks out against identity politics? I really don't understand the criticism here. He has willingly appeared on GB News on several occasions and was given a platform to advocate some of his leftist opinions. He wasn't heckled or shouted down by the other panellists and guests, and he will doubtless appear on it again which I don't think he would do if he felt he was being crowded out by a bunch of spittle flecked, foaming mouthed right wingers. I mean some of the reaction here is too funny and you wonder why I often comment on the balance of opinions in Cakestop.

It seems like he's a part of a pal's network with Farage. He's been brought in as a friendly face, not for his objective views.

Ok if you say so.

Cool, we're agreed.

Well not really but go ahead and have the last word.

If you insist.

It's like a lefty channel getting John Bercow on to represent the right.

kingstongraham

He's someone working class who wrote a book subtitled "Why the Modern Left Loathes the Working Class".

kingstongraham

Fair play to them, they're interviewing Petronella Wyatt about the Hancock affair tonight.

elbowloh

kingstongraham said:

He's someone working class who wrote a book subtitled "Why the Modern Left Loathes the Working Class".

"Paul Embery is a firefighter, trade union activist and prominent proponent of Blue Labour."

"Blue Labour, an unofficial sub-group affiliated with the Labour party, has reported a surge in followers after Boris Johnson’s Conservative party won a huge majority in last week’s election.

The controversial campaign group has been accused of pushing old fashioned and bigoted policies that are disguised as being community-minded and patriotic."

" It instead bases its own policies on family, the Christian faith and patriotism."

He's anti-liberal and anti-woke, what a surprise GB News booked him.

elbowloh

kingstongraham said:

Fair play to them, they're interviewing Petronella Wyatt about the Hancock affair tonight.

You meant ex-Telegraph and Ex-spectator journalist?

Another pal from the network on the channel.

orraloon

elbowloh said:

kingstongraham said:

Fair play to them, they're interviewing Petronella Wyatt about the Hancock affair tonight.

You meant ex-Telegraph and Ex-spectator journalist and former shagbunny of Spaffer

Another pal from the network on the channel.

FTFY

rjsterry

rick_chasey said:

Your retired miner living in a "red wall" constituency and your retired banker in Kent are voting for the same party.

As they both live in the past where they were historic political opposites, GB news can put on people who tie into those historic opposites so they feel its balanced wherears in fact they're offering them the same juice the Tories are offering.

It is not balance. Balance would be Neil not spending 1/3 of the interview with Sunak on pensions, where rising wages were only mentioned in the context of it being a driver of state pension rises. . Think about that for a moment.

What are the priorities here.

The other 1/3 of that interview was about the 'cost' of going green, as presumably the target audience will be dead when the cost of not going green will be felt. The inference being "why are we paying for this - we'll be dead anyway".

It's pretty clear that Neil holds Johnson in as much contempt as anyone.

There are very few retired miners left alive, what with pits having closed 30-40 years ago.

shortfall

rjsterry said:

rick_chasey said:

Your retired miner living in a "red wall" constituency and your retired banker in Kent are voting for the same party.

As they both live in the past where they were historic political opposites, GB news can put on people who tie into those historic opposites so they feel its balanced wherears in fact they're offering them the same juice the Tories are offering.

It is not balance. Balance would be Neil not spending 1/3 of the interview with Sunak on pensions, where rising wages were only mentioned in the context of it being a driver of state pension rises. . Think about that for a moment.

What are the priorities here.

The other 1/3 of that interview was about the 'cost' of going green, as presumably the target audience will be dead when the cost of not going green will be felt. The inference being "why are we paying for this - we'll be dead anyway".

It's pretty clear that Neil holds Johnson in as much contempt as anyone.

Apparently it's not "that" clear.

rjsterry

...

rick_chasey

rjsterry said:

rick_chasey said:

Your retired miner living in a "red wall" constituency and your retired banker in Kent are voting for the same party.

As they both live in the past where they were historic political opposites, GB news can put on people who tie into those historic opposites so they feel its balanced wherears in fact they're offering them the same juice the Tories are offering.

It is not balance. Balance would be Neil not spending 1/3 of the interview with Sunak on pensions, where rising wages were only mentioned in the context of it being a driver of state pension rises. . Think about that for a moment.

What are the priorities here.

The other 1/3 of that interview was about the 'cost' of going green, as presumably the target audience will be dead when the cost of not going green will be felt. The inference being "why are we paying for this - we'll be dead anyway".

It's pretty clear that Neil holds Johnson in as much contempt as anyone.

There are very few retired miners left alive, what with pits having closed 30-40 years ago.

Just because Neil hates Johnson doesn’t mean he isn’t in tune with what it means to be right wing in the 21st Century.

His news channel is the embodiment of it.

What is so clever is that by continuing to define left right as it was 40 years ago they can invite people from across the 40 year ago divide, have them spit the stuff that appeals to the modern right wingers and everyone who isn’t clued into where the world has moved to claps and goes “oh so balanced” when the debate is being framed in the new right wing context.

But for the past 5 years your class, which up until now was the biggest factor in if you voted left or right now doesn’t matter as per the stats above.

I don’t quite know why everyone is resisting this. The stats bare it out. Accept it and let it inform your understanding of modern politics.

rjsterry

kingstongraham said:

He's someone working class who wrote a book subtitled "Why the Modern Left Loathes the Working Class".

God save us from self-appointed spokespeople and their imaginary silent majorities.

hopkinb

rick_chasey said:

I don’t quite know why everyone is resisting this. The stats bare it out. Accept it and let it inform your understanding of modern politics.

"Bear".

But I agree with you, which from my infrequent forays in here, is rare.

rick_chasey

😬

elbowloh

rick_chasey said:

😬

I think the resistance is mainly because a) you keep bloody banging on about it like a broken record b) you keep going on about boomers and c) disagreeing with you, seems to really get you worked up and others enjoy it

rjsterry

rick_chasey said:

rjsterry said:

rick_chasey said:

Your retired miner living in a "red wall" constituency and your retired banker in Kent are voting for the same party.

As they both live in the past where they were historic political opposites, GB news can put on people who tie into those historic opposites so they feel its balanced wherears in fact they're offering them the same juice the Tories are offering.

It is not balance. Balance would be Neil not spending 1/3 of the interview with Sunak on pensions, where rising wages were only mentioned in the context of it being a driver of state pension rises. . Think about that for a moment.

What are the priorities here.

The other 1/3 of that interview was about the 'cost' of going green, as presumably the target audience will be dead when the cost of not going green will be felt. The inference being "why are we paying for this - we'll be dead anyway".

It's pretty clear that Neil holds Johnson in as much contempt as anyone.

There are very few retired miners left alive, what with pits having closed 30-40 years ago.

Just because Neil hates Johnson doesn’t mean he isn’t in tune with what it means to be right wing in the 21st Century.

His news channel is the embodiment of it.

What is so clever is that by continuing to define left right as it was 40 years ago they can invite people from across the 40 year ago divide, have them spit the stuff that appeals to the modern right wingers and everyone who isn’t clued into where the world has moved to claps and goes “oh so balanced” when the debate is being framed in the new right wing context.

But for the past 5 years your class, which up until now was the biggest factor in if you voted left or right now doesn’t matter as per the stats above.

I don’t quite know why everyone is resisting this. The stats bare it out. Accept it and let it inform your understanding of modern politics.

It's not clever. It's a fairly amateur TV station broadcasting avowedly conservative political opinion that has been somewhat oversold on the basis of one or two big names.
Like anything there will some good bits and some not so good, mainly due to the ability of the guest and the interviewer rather than where you can put respective pins on a political spectrum.

Pross

rjsterry said:

rick_chasey said:

Your retired miner living in a "red wall" constituency and your retired banker in Kent are voting for the same party.

As they both live in the past where they were historic political opposites, GB news can put on people who tie into those historic opposites so they feel its balanced wherears in fact they're offering them the same juice the Tories are offering.

It is not balance. Balance would be Neil not spending 1/3 of the interview with Sunak on pensions, where rising wages were only mentioned in the context of it being a driver of state pension rises. . Think about that for a moment.

What are the priorities here.

The other 1/3 of that interview was about the 'cost' of going green, as presumably the target audience will be dead when the cost of not going green will be felt. The inference being "why are we paying for this - we'll be dead anyway".

It's pretty clear that Neil holds Johnson in as much contempt as anyone.

There are very few retired miners left alive, what with pits having closed 30-40 years ago.

Tower Colliery only closed 13 years ago and there are still drift mines in operation. I sit next to an ex-miner in choir (yes, it's a major stereotype!) and he has only recently turned 60. There are others in the choir too but they are older.

rick_chasey

elbowloh said:

rick_chasey said:

😬

I think the resistance is mainly because a) you keep bloody banging on about it like a broken record b) you keep going on about boomers and c) disagreeing with you, seems to really get you worked up and others enjoy it

a) im quite confident im right on this at the moment as the stats and analysis is fairly clear on this b) that is literally the dividing line and it’s tongue in cheek and c) who else am I gonna bang on about this too when my mates etc have arrived at the same conclusion. No fun in agreeing with everything and my parents get incredibly upset at the idea their generation votes mainly for this awful government that makes them miserable.

elbowloh

rick_chasey said:

elbowloh said:

rick_chasey said:

😬

I think the resistance is mainly because a) you keep bloody banging on about it like a broken record b) you keep going on about boomers and c) disagreeing with you, seems to really get you worked up and others enjoy it

a) im quite confident im right on this at the moment as the stats and analysis is fairly clear on this b) that is literally the dividing line and it’s tongue in cheek and c) who else am I gonna bang on about this too when my mates etc have arrived at the same conclusion. No fun in agreeing with everything and my parents get incredibly upset at the idea their generation votes mainly for this awful government that makes them miserable.

And therefore the resistance will continue.

hopkinb

rick_chasey said:

😬

I meant that someone agrees with you. You appear to be the resident "trot". Who is simultaneously a recruitment consultant for the financial services industry.

You are right, politics has turned on its head. The tories are well ahead of the game, election winners that they are. I'll be OK, what I don't like is that it seems to be policy to make sure others who can't defend themselves are are not ok, or are actually vilified or marginalised for the amusement of others. That should be anathema to anyone who is not a sociopath, but it's a vote winner.

There is currently no party for me, I voted tory as an objectionable spotty adolescent with an enormous unearned sense of entitlement in 1992. Some people just never grow up.

focuszing723

Bizarrely, politically, economically and socially the country hasn't been so far to the left in decades. What is it now half a trillion in the red!?

rjsterry

Pross said:

rjsterry said:

rick_chasey said:

Your retired miner living in a "red wall" constituency and your retired banker in Kent are voting for the same party.

As they both live in the past where they were historic political opposites, GB news can put on people who tie into those historic opposites so they feel its balanced wherears in fact they're offering them the same juice the Tories are offering.

It is not balance. Balance would be Neil not spending 1/3 of the interview with Sunak on pensions, where rising wages were only mentioned in the context of it being a driver of state pension rises. . Think about that for a moment.

What are the priorities here.

The other 1/3 of that interview was about the 'cost' of going green, as presumably the target audience will be dead when the cost of not going green will be felt. The inference being "why are we paying for this - we'll be dead anyway".

It's pretty clear that Neil holds Johnson in as much contempt as anyone.

There are very few retired miners left alive, what with pits having closed 30-40 years ago.

Tower Colliery only closed 13 years ago and there are still drift mines in operation. I sit next to an ex-miner in choir (yes, it's a major stereotype!) and he has only recently turned 60. There are others in the choir too but they are older.

I'm sure there are some; just not sure there are enough to be a significant demographic.

rjsterry

rick_chasey said:

elbowloh said:

rick_chasey said:

😬

I think the resistance is mainly because a) you keep bloody banging on about it like a broken record b) you keep going on about boomers and c) disagreeing with you, seems to really get you worked up and others enjoy it

a) im quite confident im right on this at the moment as the stats and analysis is fairly clear on this b) that is literally the dividing line and it’s tongue in cheek and c) who else am I gonna bang on about this too when my mates etc have arrived at the same conclusion. No fun in agreeing with everything and my parents get incredibly upset at the idea their generation votes mainly for this awful government that makes them miserable.

I don't think anyone is denying that the pattern exists. Just that it is only one worth noting. You could just as easily split between socially conservative and socially liberal, seeing as there is nothing between the two parties economically. They both spend on those likely to vote for them.