Euro 2020/21 (more football, sorry Brian)

elbowloh

rick_chasey said:

England haven't played Germany very often in a proper tournament.

Big games though, '66 WC final, 90 WC semi-final (lost of pens), 96 Euro Semi-final (lost on pens), then there was the 2010 WC game with Lampard's legitimate goal being ruled out.

Ben6899

elbowloh said:

rick_chasey said:

England haven't played Germany very often in a proper tournament.

Big games though, '66 WC final, 90 WC semi-final (lost of pens), 96 Euro Semi-final (lost on pens), then there was the 2010 WC game with Lampard's legitimate goal being ruled out.

I watched the extended highlights of the 2010 WC match, yesterday. Lampard's lovely effort aside, England were absolute dogsh1t.

elbowloh

Ben6899 said:

elbowloh said:

rick_chasey said:

England haven't played Germany very often in a proper tournament.

Big games though, '66 WC final, 90 WC semi-final (lost of pens), 96 Euro Semi-final (lost on pens), then there was the 2010 WC game with Lampard's legitimate goal being ruled out.

I watched the extended highlights of the 2010 WC match, yesterday. Lampard's lovely effort aside, England were absolute dogsh1t.

Ben6899 said:

elbowloh said:

rick_chasey said:

England haven't played Germany very often in a proper tournament.

Big games though, '66 WC final, 90 WC semi-final (lost of pens), 96 Euro Semi-final (lost on pens), then there was the 2010 WC game with Lampard's legitimate goal being ruled out.

I watched the extended highlights of the 2010 WC match, yesterday. Lampard's lovely effort aside, England were absolute dogsh1t.

Indeed they were.

Apparently the team was very cliquey, with all the players sticking in their club groups and not really talking to each other. Lots of talented players, but not a team.

TheBigBean

Wrong thread.

Ben6899

TheBigBean said:

How about a time penalty for any team with more than three riders in the top 30 at certain pinch points in the race?

Pro Race ---> ?

Ben6899

elbowloh said:

Ben6899 said:

elbowloh said:

rick_chasey said:

England haven't played Germany very often in a proper tournament.

Big games though, '66 WC final, 90 WC semi-final (lost of pens), 96 Euro Semi-final (lost on pens), then there was the 2010 WC game with Lampard's legitimate goal being ruled out.

I watched the extended highlights of the 2010 WC match, yesterday. Lampard's lovely effort aside, England were absolute dogsh1t.

Ben6899 said:

elbowloh said:

rick_chasey said:

England haven't played Germany very often in a proper tournament.

Big games though, '66 WC final, 90 WC semi-final (lost of pens), 96 Euro Semi-final (lost on pens), then there was the 2010 WC game with Lampard's legitimate goal being ruled out.

I watched the extended highlights of the 2010 WC match, yesterday. Lampard's lovely effort aside, England were absolute dogsh1t.

Indeed they were.

Apparently the team was very cliquey, with all the players sticking in their club groups and not really talking to each other. Lots of talented players, but not a team.

That makes sense. Man, the defending... actually shameful.

verylonglegs

Ben6899 said:

elbowloh said:

rick_chasey said:

England haven't played Germany very often in a proper tournament.

Big games though, '66 WC final, 90 WC semi-final (lost of pens), 96 Euro Semi-final (lost on pens), then there was the 2010 WC game with Lampard's legitimate goal being ruled out.

I watched the extended highlights of the 2010 WC match, yesterday. Lampard's lovely effort aside, England were absolute dogsh1t.

The German goal from a long boot by the keeper being a particular highlight of ineptitude if I recall.

Ben6899

verylonglegs said:

Ben6899 said:

elbowloh said:

rick_chasey said:

England haven't played Germany very often in a proper tournament.

Big games though, '66 WC final, 90 WC semi-final (lost of pens), 96 Euro Semi-final (lost on pens), then there was the 2010 WC game with Lampard's legitimate goal being ruled out.

I watched the extended highlights of the 2010 WC match, yesterday. Lampard's lovely effort aside, England were absolute dogsh1t.

The German goal from a long boot by the keeper being a particular highlight of ineptitude if I recall.

Upson letting it bounce...

seanoconn

Ben6899 said:

elbowloh said:

rick_chasey said:

England haven't played Germany very often in a proper tournament.

Big games though, '66 WC final, 90 WC semi-final (lost of pens), 96 Euro Semi-final (lost on pens), then there was the 2010 WC game with Lampard's legitimate goal being ruled out.

I watched the extended highlights of the 2010 WC match, yesterday. Lampard's lovely effort aside, England were absolute dogsh1t.

When did you have time to watch that with the two Euro games on and tennis?

And why!?

Ben6899

Starting 11 was:

James
Johnson
Terry
Upson
Ashley Cole
Milner
Lampard
Barry
Gerrard
Defoe
Rooney

30yr old Terry and Cole, carrying Upson and Johnson. And as good as those four midfielders are individually, it's no surprise England didn't create anything - Gerrard deployed ineffectively, Milner and Barry playing it safe... and it's down to Lampard.

Unused Carrick and Lennon, on the bench... Capello clearly not interested in changing shape to try and get back in it. Dickhead.

rick_chasey

How was Carrick not in that team? Nevermind.

Ben6899

rick_chasey said:

How was Carrick not in that team? Nevermind.

Sorry, I edited.

seanoconn

Ben6899 said:

Starting 11 was:

James
Johnson
Terry
Upson
Ashley Cole
Milner
Lampard
Barry
Gerrard
Defoe
Rooney

30yr old Terry and Cole, carrying Upson and Johnson. And as good as those four midfielders are individually, it's no surprise England didn't create anything - Gerrard deployed ineffectively, Milner and Barry playing it safe... and it's down to Frank.

Lampard, one of the most overrated and lucky players of all time. 50% of his goals were deflections.

Ben6899

seanoconn said:

Ben6899 said:

Starting 11 was:

James
Johnson
Terry
Upson
Ashley Cole
Milner
Lampard
Barry
Gerrard
Defoe
Rooney

30yr old Terry and Cole, carrying Upson and Johnson. And as good as those four midfielders are individually, it's no surprise England didn't create anything - Gerrard deployed ineffectively, Milner and Barry playing it safe... and it's down to Frank.

Lampard, one of the most overrated and lucky players of all time. 50% of his goals were deflections.

I think that's harsh, tbf. Although he shouldn't have been starting 11, simply because it wasn't a good fit. Should have been set up to give Gerrard the licence to drive forward.

seanoconn

Ben6899 said:

seanoconn said:

Ben6899 said:

Starting 11 was:

James
Johnson
Terry
Upson
Ashley Cole
Milner
Lampard
Barry
Gerrard
Defoe
Rooney

30yr old Terry and Cole, carrying Upson and Johnson. And as good as those four midfielders are individually, it's no surprise England didn't create anything - Gerrard deployed ineffectively, Milner and Barry playing it safe... and it's down to Frank.

Lampard, one of the most overrated and lucky players of all time. 50% of his goals were deflections.

I think that's harsh, tbf.

60%

rick_chasey

Ben6899 said:

rick_chasey said:

How was Carrick not in that team? Nevermind.

Sorry, I edited.

Still mad he's not in the first 11.

elbowloh

Ben6899 said:

Starting 11 was:

James
Johnson
Terry
Upson
Ashley Cole
Milner
Lampard
Barry
Gerrard
Defoe
Rooney

30yr old Terry and Cole, carrying Upson and Johnson. And as good as those four midfielders are individually, it's no surprise England didn't create anything - Gerrard deployed ineffectively, Milner and Barry playing it safe... and it's down to Frank.

Playing 4 central midfielders

Dorset_Boy

Ben6899 said:

seanoconn said:

Ben6899 said:

Starting 11 was:

James
Johnson
Terry
Upson
Ashley Cole
Milner
Lampard
Barry
Gerrard
Defoe
Rooney

30yr old Terry and Cole, carrying Upson and Johnson. And as good as those four midfielders are individually, it's no surprise England didn't create anything - Gerrard deployed ineffectively, Milner and Barry playing it safe... and it's down to Frank.

Lampard, one of the most overrated and lucky players of all time. 50% of his goals were deflections.

I think that's harsh, tbf. Although he shouldn't have been starting 11, simply because it wasn't a good fit. Should have been set up to give Gerrard the licence to drive forward.

Lampard's scoring record massively eclipses Gerrard's, so too his overall attacking play, so if one wasn't to start then it would be Gerrard on the bench.

Ben6899

Stats are just that. I think Gerrard would have been the better fit for England, out of those two.

I mean, we'll never know because all managers insisted on playing both of them in a set up that didn't work because of exactly the point elbow made ^^^. It seems obvious, but play the best team and not the best eleven players. Imagine having a Lampard (or Gerrard) option on the bench.

It's criminal that generation of players never won anything.

pblakeney

Ben6899 said:

Stats are just that. I think Gerrard would have been the better fit for England, out of those two.

I mean, we'll never know because all managers insisted on playing both of them in a set up that didn't work because of exactly the point elbow made ^^^. It seems obvious, but play the best team and not the best eleven players. Imagine having a Lampard (or Gerrard) option on the bench.

It's criminal that generation of players never won anything.

I made the same point on the other thread. Wasn't popular.

DeVlaeminck

Dorset_Boy said:

Ben6899 said:

seanoconn said:

Ben6899 said:

Starting 11 was:

James
Johnson
Terry
Upson
Ashley Cole
Milner
Lampard
Barry
Gerrard
Defoe
Rooney

30yr old Terry and Cole, carrying Upson and Johnson. And as good as those four midfielders are individually, it's no surprise England didn't create anything - Gerrard deployed ineffectively, Milner and Barry playing it safe... and it's down to Frank.

Lampard, one of the most overrated and lucky players of all time. 50% of his goals were deflections.

I think that's harsh, tbf. Although he shouldn't have been starting 11, simply because it wasn't a good fit. Should have been set up to give Gerrard the licence to drive forward.

Lampard's scoring record massively eclipses Gerrard's, so too his overall attacking play, so if one wasn't to start then it would be Gerrard on the bench.

For England I agree - Lampard was generally more effective.

DeVlaeminck

Wtf was the formation there anyway - narrow midfield diamond with a 442?

elbowloh

Dorset_Boy said:

Ben6899 said:

seanoconn said:

Ben6899 said:

Starting 11 was:

James
Johnson
Terry
Upson
Ashley Cole
Milner
Lampard
Barry
Gerrard
Defoe
Rooney

30yr old Terry and Cole, carrying Upson and Johnson. And as good as those four midfielders are individually, it's no surprise England didn't create anything - Gerrard deployed ineffectively, Milner and Barry playing it safe... and it's down to Frank.

Lampard, one of the most overrated and lucky players of all time. 50% of his goals were deflections.

I think that's harsh, tbf. Although he shouldn't have been starting 11, simply because it wasn't a good fit. Should have been set up to give Gerrard the licence to drive forward.

Lampard's scoring record massively eclipses Gerrard's, so too his overall attacking play, so if one wasn't to start then it would be Gerrard on the bench.

This surely depends on what their role was in the team and what they were expected to contribute.

Ben6899

DeVlaeminck said:

Wtf was the formation there anyway - narrow midfield diamond with a 442?

You'd need to ask Capello. Whether he'd know the answer...

verylonglegs

I think Capello was just happy for the chance to live in London on £6m a year and took advantage of the FA being desperate after the McClaren failure.

Ben6899

Ben6899 said:

de Boer will be lucky to keep his job.

This Dutch performance has made the Czechs look like the Harlem Globetrotters.

DeVlaeminck

Saka in, no Foden. Looks like a back 5, 2 CDM (or call Phillips an 8 / box to box), sterling Saka Kane.

So no Mount/Foden or Grealish - who predicted that pre tournament?

Presume 5 2 3 with Kane dropping into the 10 role. Interesting anyway.

Ben6899

I think Southgate realises that this Germany team's biggest threat is capitalising on mistakes and gaps.

Potentially a pretty stale match. I hope I'm wrong, but also I'd take 1-0 now.

rick_chasey

I think 5 subs changes the dynamic - why not set up not to concede. Can always bring on attackers.

kingstongraham

Hopefully that means Saka has free rein to just do anything he fancies.