Giro 2021:- Stage 16: Sacile – Cortina d’Ampezzo 212 km **Spoilers**
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Still.confused .they racing the final.downhill ?"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0
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Oh well, there is another race in the Alps with live coverage today and the Volta Limburg.
Expect the Giau descent to be neutralised as well."Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
Yes that's what they've announced.mididoctors said:Still.confused .they racing the final.downhill ?
It would make more sense and be more reasonable if they shut off the two climbs because of fears of landslides etc rather than just it being cold.0 -
Lots of people on Twitter seem very annoyed that they cannot watch Ineos riding tempo on the two climbs that have been removed now.1
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Happening every year now . Rare to get a complete route"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0
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Should have gone for a ride"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0
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It could now be more ferocious.0
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Eurosport said they were taking the times at the top of the climb but the stage win would be contested in Cortina. I'm not sure that's the case as I can't see anything else that says that??mididoctors said:Still.confused .they racing the final.downhill ?
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That would be completely ridiculous. Could be true.DeVlaeminck said:
Eurosport said they were taking the times at the top of the climb but the stage win would be contested in Cortina. I'm not sure that's the case as I can't see anything else that says that??mididoctors said:Still.confused .they racing the final.downhill ?
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Yet another Giro Queen stage bites the dust. The Tour of Romandie finally came up with a really hard Queen stage and snow fell on that, having been snow free for weeks.
So much bad luck with the weather.
This completely changes the potential impact on the GC, with no multiple climbs.
I think the endless drag up to the Giau could be like watching wood warp.
Also, if they are starting at 10-30am, they are aiming for a very early finish."Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
Hopefully they take the time at the finish - if people are expected to race the descent for the win they can race it for a finishing time too .[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]0
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Apparently Vegni said "the Final descent was one of the condition we impose. We said 'we shortened the stage, but you have to do a true race'"0
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Deceunink now calling it the "Princess stage" rather than the queen stage0
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Thanks. I agree with that decision.takethehighroad said:Apparently Vegni said "the Final descent was one of the condition we impose. We said 'we shortened the stage, but you have to do a true race'"
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Short sharp mountain stages have turned out pretty interesting before. Optimistically this might turn out to be the stage we needed, not the stage we wanted - there's much less reason to hold back now, and some good reasons to make it hard early.0
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From the Cynical News forum: Cortina paid a lot of money to have the arrival, which magically means the last descent is not dangerous while the ones before are.takethehighroad said:Apparently Vegni said "the Final descent was one of the condition we impose. We said 'we shortened the stage, but you have to do a true race'"
"Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
It's a shame we won't get the planned stage, but Lanterne Rouge makes a good point.
I think it is also sensible to tell riders in advance that times will be taken at the top, but the plan is to still race the descent, though that could change. It covers all bases then.0 -
With this and the mortirolo stage they're testing the same ability (minus going downhill), so you'll get similar results.Lanterne_Rogue said:Short sharp mountain stages have turned out pretty interesting before. Optimistically this might turn out to be the stage we needed, not the stage we wanted - there's much less reason to hold back now, and some good reasons to make it hard early.
Making riders go up and down multiple times tests a different ability. Especially in the wet it would have made it a very long day, which again, tests a different ability.0 -
What a crock of shite. The Giro always seems to have a stage like this. Why is the Giau deemed safer than the Pordoi and (lower) Fedaia would have been? Surely the most dangerous part of the stage will be that final descent with people fighting to take the stage and gain time?0
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"Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0
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It always amuses me that people sat in nice warm houses and offices criticise the riders for not wanting to risk their health on mountain stages. The Giro runs this risk every year by putting the race above 2000 metres in May, and it's becoming more frequent that they have to amend the stage routes.
Riding in the high mountains in these conditions can be life threatening, just look at what happened in China over the weekend, so shortening the stage is the right decision. By eliminating two climbs, and descents, they've put the welfare of the riders first. Which is good in my opinion.2 -
Sure, but that ability isn't always very interesting to watch.rick_chasey said:
With this and the mortirolo stage they're testing the same ability (minus going downhill), so you'll get similar results.Lanterne_Rogue said:Short sharp mountain stages have turned out pretty interesting before. Optimistically this might turn out to be the stage we needed, not the stage we wanted - there's much less reason to hold back now, and some good reasons to make it hard early.
Making riders go up and down multiple times tests a different ability. Especially in the wet it would have made it a very long day, which again, tests a different ability.0 -
Given the struggle they're having with pictures already, it's entirely possible the stage was shortened out of consideration for the commentary teams.0
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We don't really know what the conditions are - if the descents have snow and ice on them it should definitely not be raced - if it's just a risk that they may have snow on them by the time they get there then the race may just not want to risk the farce of stopping mid way and bussing riders to the finish.andyp said:It always amuses me that people sat in nice warm houses and offices criticise the riders for not wanting to risk their health on mountain stages. The Giro runs this risk every year by putting the race above 2000 metres in May, and it's becoming more frequent that they have to amend the stage routes.
Riding in the high mountains in these conditions can be life threatening, just look at what happened in China over the weekend, so shortening the stage is the right decision. By eliminating two climbs, and descents, they've put the welfare of the riders first. Which is good in my opinion.
I doubt any riders are at risk of death through hypothermia though - big difference between being on a road with support vehicles and being on remote tracks on your own so the comparison with China doesn't really stand up.[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]0 -
Not much interest in forming a break yet0
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Except the majority of riders wanted to race the full stage.andyp said:
It always amuses me that people sat in nice warm houses and offices criticise the riders for not wanting to risk their health on mountain stages. The Giro runs this risk every year by putting the race above 2000 metres in May, and it's becoming more frequent that they have to amend the stage routes.
Except for the final descent, where they've put cash first.andyp said:
Riding in the high mountains in these conditions can be life threatening, just look at what happened in China over the weekend, so shortening the stage is the right decision. By eliminating two climbs, and descents, they've put the welfare of the riders first. Which is good in my opinion.
"Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
Surely the comments (certainly mine) are querying why the two climbs in the middle where riders are going to be less inclined to push hard have been ruled out for safety reasons whilst the final climb (which is only something like 8m lower than the high point and, crucially for me, the final descent that will encourage harder riding and more risk taking are retained. There doesn't seem to be any logic in the decision unless there is some freak weather around the Pordoi and Fedaia that isn't affecting the Giau.andyp said:It always amuses me that people sat in nice warm houses and offices criticise the riders for not wanting to risk their health on mountain stages. The Giro runs this risk every year by putting the race above 2000 metres in May, and it's becoming more frequent that they have to amend the stage routes.
Riding in the high mountains in these conditions can be life threatening, just look at what happened in China over the weekend, so shortening the stage is the right decision. By eliminating two climbs, and descents, they've put the welfare of the riders first. Which is good in my opinion.0 -
Forecast I've seen (albeit it's via twitter) suggests more risk of snow on Giau than other two climbs with the expected timings. Seems likely this is a compromise that some thought it's just too unpleasant to race 250k in cold rain but 150k and one climb (do less time in the cold) is acceptable.[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]0
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TV feed gone.0
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thought I'd seen posh until I went to St.Moritz! But i know Cortina is high on the ££ scaleDorset_Boy said:They also hold horse races on the frozen lake in winter in Cortina. It's right up there is the poshest clientelle list of ski resorts.
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