Dumoulin stops racing, future uncertain

yorkshireraw

daniel_b said:

yorkshireraw said:

pblakeney said:

yorkshireraw said:

am currently contemplating if I can get away with bike-buying logic when purchasing a new coffee machine for a forthcoming house move- i.e. tell the other half it cost a few quid so that it doesn't sound like a blag, but still no where near the true price.... Like a good coffee - there's a balance to be had.

Present her with the figure that you are currently spending on take away/sit in coffee per annum.

This is a good point, except at the moment that's 2/5 of nothing really.

Have a machine that's useable but not great, or a stove top pot thing.

The machine could always 'break' though meaning you have to buy a new one.

Indeed - or it could be a nice 'new home' gift from work....

RichN95.

rick_chasey said:

RichN95. said:

N0bodyOfTheGoat said:

the old GC kings of Froome/Thomas/Dumoulin etc. at this point look dead... Because while they've been trying to regain top form following injury, the new guard such as Roglic/MVDP/Pog etc. have raised their game.

A reminder here that Roglic is older than Dumoulin

His late arrival to cycling presumably gives him a bit of extra life, no?

Sure. But the 'new generation' narrative that the media are so keen to push includes people in their 30s

yorkshireraw

N0bodyOfTheGoat said:

Bringing the thread back to pin the tail on the donkey reasons why Tom is taking a sabbatical, Covid appears to be forcing a change of the guard, the old GC kings of Froome/Thomas/Dumoulin etc. at this point look dead... Because while they've been trying to regain top form following injury, the new guard such as Roglic/MVDP/Pog etc. have raised their game.

Tom doesn't appear to have recovered after his knee injury to be a GC contender for now, so perhaps he simply doesn't fancy playing the super domestique role while he tries to find that missing few extra percent.

It does seem he's been 'chasing it' ever since his injury. There must also be a huge amount of pressure in being the big Dutch name on the big Dutch team, even when they have other superstars in the ranks. Similar to Pinot at FDJ.
You'd assume as well he was on a very good contract, and stressed about justifying it - hence the 'unpaid leave' possibly lifting a weight from his shoulders.

bobmcstuff

ddraver said:

Filter FTW at home.

No point trying to create a rubbish version of espresso.

Yeah I've a Chemex filter which I use most often. Also an aeropress, 2 different sized Moka pots and 3 different sized French presses... They're all nice in their own way. The Aeropress I don't think adds much over a filter, as it is basically a filter method with a plunger on top. It is a bit quicker than the standard Chemex method though.

I like the Moka, it's not the same as a proper espresso but it makes a nicer Americano type coffee than the other methods I have.

ddraver

Yeah, the benefit of the aeropress is speed and cleanliness IMO

I prefer my V60s most of all though unless I can find a proper cafe who actually know what they re doing.

gsk82

I have my Aldi orange squash in a pint glass and fill it up from a tap. Always orange squash then water. Never the other way around.

daniel_b

rick_chasey said:

RichN95. said:

N0bodyOfTheGoat said:

the old GC kings of Froome/Thomas/Dumoulin etc. at this point look dead... Because while they've been trying to regain top form following injury, the new guard such as Roglic/MVDP/Pog etc. have raised their game.

A reminder here that Roglic is older than Dumoulin

His late arrival to cycling presumably gives him a bit of extra life, no?

He doesn't show his age, looks about 26.

daniel_b

yorkshireraw said:

daniel_b said:

yorkshireraw said:

pblakeney said:

yorkshireraw said:

am currently contemplating if I can get away with bike-buying logic when purchasing a new coffee machine for a forthcoming house move- i.e. tell the other half it cost a few quid so that it doesn't sound like a blag, but still no where near the true price.... Like a good coffee - there's a balance to be had.

Present her with the figure that you are currently spending on take away/sit in coffee per annum.

This is a good point, except at the moment that's 2/5 of nothing really.

Have a machine that's useable but not great, or a stove top pot thing.

The machine could always 'break' though meaning you have to buy a new one.

Indeed - or it could be a nice 'new home' gift from work....

Yep that would work nicely.

A friend of mine bought a pair of chinese carbon clinchers some time ago, he sold them last year, unbeknown to his partner, and bought some 2nd hand Enve wheels - these will be coming out in due course, and the story is going to be that these are the old chinese wheels he bought many moons ago, and he has simply slapped some new decals on them.

jimmythecuckoo

I feel sad for Tom if the pressure of his job means he no longer enjoys being on his bike.

I wish him well.

m.r.m.

Why do grown up people have to justify buying something they like? Seems weird to have to ask for permission with your own money. Sure, with a family you can't just splurge on every indulgence all the time, but it's rather weak to have to lie about occasionally spending your money on something you really like/want/need. 🤭🤔😛

RichN95.

m.r.m. said:

Why do grown up people have to justify buying something they like? Seems weird to have to ask for permission with your own money. Sure, with a family you can't just splurge on every indulgence all the time, but it's rather weak to have to lie about occasionally spending your money on something you really like/want/need. 🤭🤔😛

I also find it odd when people brag about overtaking someone with ten grand bike on their cheap bike. I’d rather be the guy who can afford a ten grand bike.

m.r.m.

Well, not entirely; you also want to be the guy with good legs. You want to have both. 😉

webboo

RichN95. said:

m.r.m. said:

Why do grown up people have to justify buying something they like? Seems weird to have to ask for permission with your own money. Sure, with a family you can't just splurge on every indulgence all the time, but it's rather weak to have to lie about occasionally spending your money on something you really like/want/need. 🤭🤔😛

I also find it odd when people brag about overtaking someone with ten grand bike on their cheap bike. I’d rather be the guy who can afford a ten grand bike.

So you want to be bianchimuncher how very strange

elbowloh

RichN95. said:

m.r.m. said:

Why do grown up people have to justify buying something they like? Seems weird to have to ask for permission with your own money. Sure, with a family you can't just splurge on every indulgence all the time, but it's rather weak to have to lie about occasionally spending your money on something you really like/want/need. 🤭🤔😛

I also find it odd when people brag about overtaking someone with ten grand bike on their cheap bike. I’d rather be the guy who can afford a ten grand bike.

I'd rather be the person who can afford a £10k bike, but is actually fit enough and fast enough to be able to take over people who are on a £10k bike whilst riding a cheap bike, because those people riding a £10k bike are overcompensating for not being fit enough and fast enough through trying to buy performance...

rick_chasey

I'd rather be Chris Froome talent and kit wise, but what ya gonna do?

Ben6899

yorkshireraw

m.r.m. said:

Why do grown up people have to justify buying something they like? Seems weird to have to ask for permission with your own money. Sure, with a family you can't just splurge on every indulgence all the time, but it's rather weak to have to lie about occasionally spending your money on something you really like/want/need. 🤭🤔😛

I wasn't being entirely serious....

yorkshireraw

rick_chasey said:

yorkshireraw said:

rick_chasey said:

yorkshireraw said:

am currently contemplating if I can get away with bike-buying logic when purchasing a new coffee machine for a forthcoming house move- i.e. tell the other half it cost a few quid so that it doesn't sound like a blag, but still no where near the true price.... Like a good coffee - there's a balance to be had.

How much you looking to spend?

I bought a new machine to replace my old one (I had for 9 years) and it's the best thing I've done in lockdown by far.

depends who's asking lol. I'd be ok spending a good few hundred - esp if it's one that's going to be well used and last a while.

I have a few options for you, depending on your tolerance for faff and if you're interested in 'upgrading' yourself or not or if you just want it to make coffee and forget about it.

middle-faff-ness, cheers.

rick_chasey

yorkshireraw said:

rick_chasey said:

yorkshireraw said:

rick_chasey said:

yorkshireraw said:

am currently contemplating if I can get away with bike-buying logic when purchasing a new coffee machine for a forthcoming house move- i.e. tell the other half it cost a few quid so that it doesn't sound like a blag, but still no where near the true price.... Like a good coffee - there's a balance to be had.

How much you looking to spend?

I bought a new machine to replace my old one (I had for 9 years) and it's the best thing I've done in lockdown by far.

depends who's asking lol. I'd be ok spending a good few hundred - esp if it's one that's going to be well used and last a while.

I have a few options for you, depending on your tolerance for faff and if you're interested in 'upgrading' yourself or not or if you just want it to make coffee and forget about it.

middle-faff-ness, cheers.

Sage bambino is what I got and it's the nearest you get to a fire and forget espresso machine. Decent milk - will even froth the milk on its own for you. I love it, but then I hate tinkering and once you've dialled it in which is straightforward, it's great and the milk frothing is fantastic.

Otherwise the Gaggia Classic Pro is your go to. Bit more room to faff around and mod it if that's your thing and there's a big community there.

I'd sort of compare the sage to apple and the gaggia to android.

If it was my money I'd get either of those (and I did!).

yorkshireraw

Cheers Rick

bobmcstuff

elbowloh said:

RichN95. said:

m.r.m. said:

Why do grown up people have to justify buying something they like? Seems weird to have to ask for permission with your own money. Sure, with a family you can't just splurge on every indulgence all the time, but it's rather weak to have to lie about occasionally spending your money on something you really like/want/need. 🤭🤔😛

I also find it odd when people brag about overtaking someone with ten grand bike on their cheap bike. I’d rather be the guy who can afford a ten grand bike.

I'd rather be the person who can afford a £10k bike, but is actually fit enough and fast enough to be able to take over people who are on a £10k bike whilst riding a cheap bike, because those people riding a £10k bike are overcompensating for not being fit enough and fast enough through trying to buy performance...

Yeah I think if push came to shove I'd take the fitness - you can't buy that, it's ephemeral and comes from hard work, perseverance and genetics (the latter to a greater or lesser degree depending on how lucky you are).

I don't begrudge anyone their expensive bike purchases though.

gsk82

bobmcstuff said:

elbowloh said:

RichN95. said:

m.r.m. said:

Why do grown up people have to justify buying something they like? Seems weird to have to ask for permission with your own money. Sure, with a family you can't just splurge on every indulgence all the time, but it's rather weak to have to lie about occasionally spending your money on something you really like/want/need. 🤭🤔😛

I also find it odd when people brag about overtaking someone with ten grand bike on their cheap bike. I’d rather be the guy who can afford a ten grand bike.

I'd rather be the person who can afford a £10k bike, but is actually fit enough and fast enough to be able to take over people who are on a £10k bike whilst riding a cheap bike, because those people riding a £10k bike are overcompensating for not being fit enough and fast enough through trying to buy performance...

Yeah I think if push came to shove I'd take the fitness - you can't buy that, it's ephemeral and comes from hard work, perseverance and genetics (the latter to a greater or lesser degree depending on how lucky you are).

I don't begrudge anyone their expensive bike purchases though.

Maybe you should take the bike then work hard and persevere to get the fitness, instead of having the fitness handed to you on a plate then 😏

phreak

Expensive bikes don't really make that much difference anyway.

david37

Theres nohing wrong with owning a ten grand bike apart from hearing people making comments that theyd rather not be the person who owns a ten grand bike theyd rather be the person who goes faster.

Hats just whining and jealousy.

Personally id rather be the giy who can buy the bike he wants amd rides im the way hat suits ,e at the time. Fastest isnt always best.

In any case having a ten grand bike AND crushing everyone is good. But of course grows tiresome and is very clubbie.

blazing_saddles

david37 said:

Theres nohing wrong with owning a ten grand bike apart from hearing people making comments that theyd rather not be the person who owns a ten grand bike theyd rather be the person who goes faster.

Hats just whining and jealousy.

Personally id rather be the giy who can buy the bike he wants amd rides im the way hat suits ,e at the time. Fastest isnt always best.

In any case having a ten grand bike AND crushing everyone is good. But of course grows tiresome and is very clubbie.

There is nothing wrong about owning a 10 grand bike apart from boasting about it on a forum you mean.
Just say what the bike is and leave it at that.
Price tagging it is just tacky.

DeVlaeminck

Part of me thinks a 10 grand bike shows a lack of knowledge about bikes - it's just spending money for the sake of spending money . A bit like say Balenciaga trainers where the appeal seems to be that they are more expensive rather than them being expensive because they are better.

redvision

DeVlaeminck said:

Part of me thinks a 10 grand bike shows a lack of knowledge about bikes - it's just spending money for the sake of spending money . A bit like say Balenciaga trainers where the appeal seems to be that they are more expensive rather than them being expensive because they are better.

You can say that about anything though. Why buy a tin of heinz baked beans when a 20p value range tin is essentially the same??

Life is too short. You work to earn money and should spend that on whatever is important to you.

redvision

Anyway, back on topic, has there been any more info about why TD has made this decision?

I watched the jumbo visma video on YouTube following them at the vuelta:
https://youtu.be/7aHuolgTbYU
And it was clear really early that he wasn't focused. Tbh it raises questions of whether he left the race because of the injury or if that was used as an excuse.

bompington

redvision said:

DeVlaeminck said:

Part of me thinks a 10 grand bike shows a lack of knowledge about bikes - it's just spending money for the sake of spending money . A bit like say Balenciaga trainers where the appeal seems to be that they are more expensive rather than them being expensive because they are better.

You can say that about anything though. Why buy a tin of heinz baked beans when a 20p value range tin is essentially the same??

Wrong example - I am a big fan of buying cheap but some things are definitely cheaper and nastier

DeVlaeminck

redvision said:

DeVlaeminck said:

Part of me thinks a 10 grand bike shows a lack of knowledge about bikes - it's just spending money for the sake of spending money . A bit like say Balenciaga trainers where the appeal seems to be that they are more expensive rather than them being expensive because they are better.

You can say that about anything though. Why buy a tin of heinz baked beans when a 20p value range tin is essentially the same??

Life is too short. You work to earn money and should spend that on whatever is important to you.

Yes but that's a slightly different point - I agree people should spend money on what gives them pleasure - but people will always judge the choices others make - what gives them pleasure.

If there were 2 tins of beans - one labelled as Heinz costing 50p and one labelled as "Heinz Twice The Price" which were advertised as the same product but costing twice as much who wouldn't judge the person buying the Heinz Twice The Price ? You'd either think they just wanted to advertise their wealth or, as I do with the bikes, that they just lacked the knowledge that the same product could be bought cheaper.