Giro 2020 - Stage 1: Monreale – Palermo 15 km ITT *Spoilers*
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Bit of a thumping on day 1 for a lot of GC hopes ... Guess we will see . Yates going well"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0
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How can a GC rider lose a minute on their main rival, over a 15km TT? do they not practice their TT? FFS they have three of these to do!RichN95. said:GC hopefuls
Almeida -
Thomas +0.01
Yates +0.27
Oomen +0.49
Knox +0.51
Vlasov +0.58
Zakarin +1.04
Kelderman +1.06
Nibali +1.07
Kruijswijk +1.22
Fuglsang +1.25
Ciccone +1.53
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Now getting moto GP commentary over top of the cycling commentary. Great work by Eurosport!1
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I am heading there now.Mad_Malx said:Elsewhere, the finale of binky bank is worth a watch.
Got a spoilered elsewhere unfortunately."Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
blazing_saddles said:
I am heading there now.Mad_Malx said:Elsewhere, the finale of binky bank is worth a watch.
Got a spoilered elsewhere unfortunately.
You could hear Backstedt's commentary on the Giro coverageTwitter: @RichN951 -
The only plus from having so many commentary feeds running simultaneously was none of them were Carlton feckin Kirby0
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I'm glad I watched it on s4c, they made much more sense0
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So, Ineos to hold pink for all 21 stages?0
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From what you folks say about Carlton, I'm happy to watch s4c and listen to a commentary I don't understand but I like the accent.0
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When GTs are decided by less than a minute these days these are big time gaps0
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The list of GC hopefuls, if one is speaking top-10, should perhaps include Hamilton (+0.33), maybe O'Connor (+0.38) and Ulissi (+0.47), and perhaps also Bilbao (+0.37) as well as (should Majka lose more ground) Konrad (+1.00). All times related to Almeida.RichN95. said:GC hopefuls
Almeida -
Thomas +0.01
Yates +0.27
Oomen +0.49
Knox +0.51
Vlasov +0.58
Zakarin +1.04
Kelderman +1.06
Nibali +1.07
Kruijswijk +1.22
Fuglsang +1.25
Ciccone +1.53
Majka +1.38
After his lay-off, I don't think the Kruijswijk result unexpected.
Fuglsang said he feared losing ground in the first week. He's never yet got a top result in a 3-week tour, as if they are too long for him, so a poor start was the last thing he wanted (not to mention losing Lopez).
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@notquite6footnotquite6foot said:
Told you they were classed different.
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I don't think a TT stage with around 300m of elevation loss should really count for a record speed.1
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By GC hopefuls, I think Rich means top 5, not top 10, given the overall quality of this field.jimmyjams said:
The list of GC hopefuls, if one is speaking top-10, should perhaps include Hamilton (+0.33), maybe O'Connor (+0.38) and Ulissi (+0.47), and perhaps also Bilbao (+0.37) as well as (should Majka lose more ground) Konrad (+1.00). All times related to Almeida.RichN95. said:GC hopefuls
Almeida -
Thomas +0.01
Yates +0.27
Oomen +0.49
Knox +0.51
Vlasov +0.58
Zakarin +1.04
Kelderman +1.06
Nibali +1.07
Kruijswijk +1.22
Fuglsang +1.25
Ciccone +1.53
Majka +1.38
After his lay-off, I don't think the Kruijswijk result unexpected.
Fuglsang said he feared losing ground in the first week. He's never yet got a top result in a 3-week tour, as if they are too long for him, so a poor start was the last thing he wanted (not to mention losing Lopez).
To which, from your list, I would probably add Konrad, but none of the others.
Pernsteiner, Masnada, Valter, Kangert, Haig, Hindley and McNulty: any of these could squeeze into 8th, 9th or 10th slots.
"Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
No, you said "a prologue is not a TT".50x11 said:
@notquite6footnotquite6foot said:
Told you they were classed different.
The Giro tweet (and my subsequent post since the one you quoted) class Ganna's ride as a non-prologue ITT record. Classing a prologue as an ITT (and I've not seen official nomenclature that says otherwise) does not contradict that.0 -
blazing_saddles said:
By GC hopefuls, I think Rich means top 5, not top 10, given the overall quality of this field.
To which, from your list, I would probably add Konrad, but none of the others.
Konrad was actually on the list I scribbled down, I just missed him when transferring. The list just came from someone else's star ratings on twitter (Felix Lowe I think)Twitter: @RichN950 -
Well the fact the runners of the race have differentiated between the disciplines. You know what I meant, you've been shown up and are playing smart.notquite6foot said:
No, you said "a prologue is not a TT".50x11 said:
@notquite6footnotquite6foot said:
Told you they were classed different.
The Giro tweet (and my subsequent post since the one you quoted) class Ganna's ride as a non-prologue ITT record. Classing a prologue as an ITT (and I've not seen official nomenclature that says otherwise) does not contradict that.0 -
Surely anything downhill does not count as a record...that could lead to some very dangerous course planning by organisers looking for headlinesHalf man, Half bike0
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ridgerider said:
Surely anything downhill does not count as a record...that could lead to some very dangerous course planning by organisers looking for headlines
No-one really cares much about this record though. It's little more than a bit of triviaTwitter: @RichN950 -
yeah i heard that too. Was he doing the PA at the race ?RichN95. said:blazing_saddles said:
I am heading there now.Mad_Malx said:Elsewhere, the finale of binky bank is worth a watch.
Got a spoilered elsewhere unfortunately.
You could hear Backstedt's commentary on the Giro coverage0 -
So Ganna has three TTs to go for, which would be amazing if he could bag them all, but I'm also interested to see what else he can do. Will he be asked to help Thomas and if yes, where?0
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No fractures for Superman, but surgery needed on a deep wound
It's only a bit of sport, Mun. Relax and enjoy the racing.0 -
sherer said:
yeah i heard that too. Was he doing the PA at the race ?RichN95. said:blazing_saddles said:
I am heading there now.Mad_Malx said:Elsewhere, the finale of binky bank is worth a watch.
Got a spoilered elsewhere unfortunately.
You could hear Backstedt's commentary on the Giro coverage
No, he was doing the Eurosport commentary for the Binck Bank TourTwitter: @RichN950 -
That could have been really nasty. It was a weird crash, it almost looked like he was riding backwards by time he hit the barriers.salsiccia1 said:No fractures for Superman, but surgery needed on a deep wound
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If the nature of my response to your Giro tweet post offended you, then I apologise. That was not my intention.50x11 said:
Well the fact the runners of the race have differentiated between the disciplines. You know what I meant, you've been shown up and are playing smart.notquite6foot said:
No, you said "a prologue is not a TT".50x11 said:
@notquite6footnotquite6foot said:
Told you they were classed different.
The Giro tweet (and my subsequent post since the one you quoted) class Ganna's ride as a non-prologue ITT record. Classing a prologue as an ITT (and I've not seen official nomenclature that says otherwise) does not contradict that.
I honestly believed your original reply to me was intended literally as opposed to meaning "prologue ITT ≠ non-prologue ITT for record purposes". Hence the crossing of lines and my replies.1 -
Thomas, just like Ganna has a strong background in track cycling with multiple olympic gold medals and world championships. So despite Thomas being a GC, he is a beast in the TT.darkhairedlord said:
How can a GC rider lose a minute on their main rival, over a 15km TT? do they not practice their TT? FFS they have three of these to do!RichN95. said:GC hopefuls
Almeida -
Thomas +0.01
Yates +0.27
Oomen +0.49
Knox +0.51
Vlasov +0.58
Zakarin +1.04
Kelderman +1.06
Nibali +1.07
Kruijswijk +1.22
Fuglsang +1.25
Ciccone +1.53
Majka +1.38
That is also why Thomas wanted to go to the Giro as it is expected that he will crush everyone in the TT’s.
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If only top-5 was meant by Rich95, I don't disagree with you, but then I wonder why Knox and Zakarin, and to an even greater extent, why Oomen and Ciccione were included in Rich95's list. I'd be very surprised if any of them end up top-5.blazing_saddles said:
By GC hopefuls, I think Rich means top 5, not top 10, given the overall quality of this field.jimmyjams said:
The list of GC hopefuls, if one is speaking top-10, should perhaps include Hamilton (+0.33), maybe O'Connor (+0.38) and Ulissi (+0.47), and perhaps also Bilbao (+0.37) as well as (should Majka lose more ground) Konrad (+1.00). All times related to Almeida.RichN95. said:GC hopefuls
Almeida -
Thomas +0.01
Yates +0.27
Oomen +0.49
Knox +0.51
Vlasov +0.58
Zakarin +1.04
Kelderman +1.06
Nibali +1.07
Kruijswijk +1.22
Fuglsang +1.25
Ciccone +1.53
Majka +1.38
After his lay-off, I don't think the Kruijswijk result unexpected.
Fuglsang said he feared losing ground in the first week. He's never yet got a top result in a 3-week tour, as if they are too long for him, so a poor start was the last thing he wanted (not to mention losing Lopez).
To which, from your list, I would probably add Konrad, but none of the others.
Pernsteiner, Masnada, Valter, Kangert, Haig, Hindley and McNulty: any of these could squeeze into 8th, 9th or 10th slots.
Well, we'll see, and I'll be glad if any of them prove me wrong.
Of your suggestions, I agree Pernsteiner and McNulty as possible top-10.
I'd like to see Kangert (whom you mention) do well, but he has not realised the potential from a few years ago ….. maybe a stage win?
Masnada (whom you mention), plus Ciccione and Zacharin (both from Rich95's hopeful list) I'd guess are all more potential winners of the climber jersey, than GC contenders.
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jimmyjams said:
If only top-5 was meant by Rich95, I don't disagree with you, but then I wonder why Knox and Zakarin, and to an even greater extent, why Oomen and Ciccione were included in Rich95's list. I'd be very surprised if any of them end up top-5.
I didn't give it that much thought. I just got the list off this tweet. There's only so much room on a tweet. (I left off Hagen as he's really not that good). If you've got a problem then take it up with Felix
Twitter: @RichN950
