Spring (autumn) classics *spoilers*

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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 72,585
    If even he's against holding it, holy moly.
  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 21,812
    edited October 2020
    I see the doom and gloom mongers have been out in force again.
    Can't be as bad as Spain and the Vuelta is going ahead, albeit with fans banned from the climbs.

    https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/vuelta-a-espana-fans-banned-from-basque-climbs/

    Now, on a more optimistic note, tomorrow and in Belgium we get the traditional warm up semi classic for the race that the silly Dutch government put a stop to.

    De Brabantse Pijl - La Fleche Brabanconne



    Alaphilippe and MVDP go head to head again, with the world champ trying to reverse last year's result.
    The race also sees the return of Romain Bardet, after his concussion injury at the Tour. Plus a dozen or more big name puncheurs and sprinters.

    Both men's and women's races have extensive live coverage on the Eurosport player and GCN.
    "Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.
  • nickice
    nickice Posts: 2,439
    gweeds said:

    I’d be amazed if either PR or Flanders go ahead now.

    Paris-Roubaix is relatively easy to control. Most bars and restaurants are closed on Sundays in France and the majority of the crowds on most of the route are people standing outside their houses. You'd then have to limit crowds on the main cobbled sections (and Velodrome) which, even if you didn't are nowhere, near as deep as in parts of the Tour of Flanders.

    I've been on the Kwaremont and the Carrefour de L'Arbre and it's much easier to observe social distancing on the Carrefour de L'Arbre. Oudenaarde is also a fairly big town which is packed on the day.

    On the flipside, the Tour of Flanders is far more important to the Belgians (both socially and economically) than Paris-Roubaix is to the French (most travelling fans are Belgian)
  • nickice
    nickice Posts: 2,439

    I see the doom and gloom mongers have been out in force again.
    Can't be as bad as Spain and the Vuelta is going ahead, albeit with fans banned from the climbs.

    https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/vuelta-a-espana-fans-banned-from-basque-climbs/

    Now, on a more optimistic note, tomorrow and in Belgium we get the traditional warm up semi classic for the race that the silly Dutch government put a stop to.

    De Brabantse Pijl - La Fleche Brabanconne



    Alaphilippe and MVDP go head to head again, with the world champ trying to reverse last year's result.
    The race also sees the return of Romain Bardet, after his concussion injury at the Tour. Plus a dozen or more big name puncheurs and sprinters.

    Both men's and women's races have extensive live coverage on the Eurosport player and GCN.

    They could ban fans from parts of the Tour of Flanders and Paris-Roubaix. I suppose an abnormal Tour of Flanders is better than none.
  • andyp
    andyp Posts: 10,103
    They should revert the Flanders route to the Ninove finish as it's a lot easier to enforce social distancing when the route doesn't incorporate strategic climbs repeatedly in an attempt to attract corporate hospitality.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 72,585
    andyp said:

    They should revert the Flanders route to the Ninove finish as it's a lot easier to enforce social distancing when the route doesn't incorporate strategic climbs repeatedly in an attempt to attract corporate hospitality.

    Oh that is an outstanding idea.

  • Lanterne_Rogue
    Lanterne_Rogue Posts: 4,091
    edited October 2020
    Amusing to see continental racing finally catching up with the long history of mystical cabals running furtive British 10 mile TTs...



    Look forward to the announcement of next year's TdF route just being a list of unexplained codes with the odd mention of roundabouts.
  • Talking of coverage, I note that both today's De Brabantse Pijl and Sunday's Gent -
    Wevelgem sees Eurosport/GCN prioritise the women's races over the men's.
    Both women's races are being covered live an in full, while for the men's races they are only covering the final 90 minutes - 2 hours live.
    This could be an issue with G-W, as it will mean that they will miss the first lap of climbing and possibly even the crucial gravel sections.

    This might be a case of them leading the horse to water but being unable force it to drink.
    For me this is a disappointing turn of events.


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  • Is it possibly just a resource / economy thing? I can imagine a situation where there's a limited number of camera bikes and they can't/won't pull them off the female race just as it comes to a conclusion.
  • nickice
    nickice Posts: 2,439
    Am I the only one who can't even pretend to care about the women's races? Just like in football, they make the mistake of attaching a women's team or race onto something with a lot of history and prestige. Ultimately, I want to see the best in any sport and that means watching the men's version. Sport in general is also far more popular with men than women.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 72,585
    edited October 2020

    Talking of coverage, I note that both today's De Brabantse Pijl and Sunday's Gent -
    Wevelgem sees Eurosport/GCN prioritise the women's races over the men's.
    Both women's races are being covered live an in full, while for the men's races they are only covering the final 90 minutes - 2 hours live.
    This could be an issue with G-W, as it will mean that they will miss the first lap of climbing and possibly even the crucial gravel sections.

    This might be a case of them leading the horse to water but being unable force it to drink.
    For me this is a disappointing turn of events.


    What time does the Belgian coverage start?

    FWIW, even during the Tour, Sporza would only tune in at around 1:30 CET.

    There are only two races they show from flag to finish, and that PR and Flanders.

    I suspect that is what's happening here too. When there have been women's races in Belgium that aren't the ToF, they will show the women's race from flag to finish in the morning (as there isn't much on Belgian TV in the morning), which normally takes them to 13:00-30 CET, they'll do half an hour bumpf on the men's race and go live at 13:30-14:00 CET
  • bobmcstuff
    bobmcstuff Posts: 11,196
    Women's Brabantse Pijl isn't a bad watch. Grace Brown clinging on with a 20s lead, pulling it out to 25ish seconds with 10k to go. Lippert trying to chase her down solo now.
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,385
    Sunweb Girls not quite emulating the Sunweb Boys
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • bobmcstuff
    bobmcstuff Posts: 11,196
    Great ride from Brown to keep pulling time out on the two chasing Sunweb riders
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,385
    edited October 2020
    Apropos of nothing, Floortje tends to swap the bike for skates in the winter

    Awww, Good on ya Gracie...
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • Talking of coverage, I note that both today's De Brabantse Pijl and Sunday's Gent -
    Wevelgem sees Eurosport/GCN prioritise the women's races over the men's.
    Both women's races are being covered live an in full, while for the men's races they are only covering the final 90 minutes - 2 hours live.
    This could be an issue with G-W, as it will mean that they will miss the first lap of climbing and possibly even the crucial gravel sections.

    This might be a case of them leading the horse to water but being unable force it to drink.
    For me this is a disappointing turn of events.


    What time does the Belgian coverage start?

    FWIW, even during the Tour, Sporza would only tune in at around 1:30 CET.

    There are only two races they show from flag to finish, and that PR and Flanders.

    I suspect that is what's happening here too. When there have been women's races in Belgium that aren't the ToF, they will show the women's race from flag to finish in the morning (as there isn't much on Belgian TV in the morning), which normally takes them to 13:00-30 CET, they'll do half an hour bumpf on the men's race and go live at 13:30-14:00 CET
    Sorry I have been otherwise engaged for a while.

    Sporza didn't cover the women's race at all and the men's race is on tv from 2-30pm our time.
    Due to finish sometime before 4-30pmBST.
    "Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,385
    So actually the men's coverage hasnt changed at all...
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 72,585
    Seems like it.
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,385
    Tom Pidcock is currently second, at 18s as he enters the final lap of the e-MTB World Championships...
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,385
    edited October 2020
    AND HE TAKES THE LEAD and starts to power away!!!

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    Extends the gap to 30s. This is an ELECTRIC attack!

    Good god I think we've found an event Carlton is actually suited to!

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    VICTORY!!!!

    History has been made in Leogang as Tom Pidcock brings home Britain's first ever e-MTB World Championships. This surely stands him in great stead to win Sports Personality of the Year and who knows if her majesty will be calling in the New Year? He sparking attack away from the Frenchman Jerome Gilloux and Gill-who knows how he felt as Pidcock motored away...

    How about that Sean?

    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • davidof
    davidof Posts: 3,036
    nickice said:

    Am I the only one who can't even pretend to care about the women's races? Just like in football, they make the mistake of attaching a women's team

    what? you mean men play football as well as women? when did that start? I can't imagine it is very interesting to watch to be honest.

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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 72,585
    davidof said:

    nickice said:

    Am I the only one who can't even pretend to care about the women's races? Just like in football, they make the mistake of attaching a women's team

    what? you mean men play football as well as women? when did that start? I can't imagine it is very interesting to watch to be honest.

    Ignore him. Why come on to say you don't care about the sport. If you don't care why post about it.
  • Mad_Malx
    Mad_Malx Posts: 5,002
    Oh joy. C fkn K
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 72,585
    Very tactical still. Needs the next hill to really shake it up again.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 72,585
    So some deets I suspect Carlton won't be giving - that stretch where JA just attacked a moment ago was where his girlfriend was standing by the side of the road.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 72,585
    VdP turning it quite big isn't he? JA accelerates on the next climb 11km to go.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 72,585
    on a call so can't hear who the AG2R rider is, but it's JA, MvdP and AG2R guy at 7.5km to go.
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,385
    edited October 2020
    Important call... ;)

    It's everyone's favourite KOM, Cosnefroy

    They have 20s and growing over the semi-heavyweight chasers
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 72,585
    You'd back MvdP on the sprint so what's going on.
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,385
    Oooh chasers now closing gap...

    15s, 3 to go
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver