Grand Départ 2020 - Stage 2: Nice Haut Pays - Nice 186 km *Spoilers*
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Kristoff in green. He'll be delighted with that.TheBigBean said:When did Sagan get dropped? He's not in green tomorrow.
The way Sagan looked on the second climb, the fact that Trentin comfortably beat him in the sprint, I'd say green is up for grabs this year if someone (maybe Trentin) really targets it.Team My Man 2022:
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No, it was Van Aert who gave Dumoulin an assist. Roglic was always in the bunch.DeadCalm said:
How do we think Dumoulin got back in? We didn't see it so we'll just have to surmise for now. Possibly, he rode the finale a good 30 seconds faster than anyone else all on his own despite Ineos and Astana hammering it on the front, in which case, he's now the favourite in my eyes. Or, perhaps, just perhaps, Jumbo's support riders, Kuss and Bennett, dropped back and sacrificed themselves to bring one of their two team leaders back into the bunch.blazing_saddles said:
Dumoulin ended up being first Jumbo over the line. Roglic was almost last in the bunch.DeadCalm said:
In fairness, they looked pretty good until Kwiatkowski took out Dumoulin whereupon they sensibly decided to knock off the chase.blazing_saddles said:The predictable winner after a pretty dour affair, ridden on the slowest schedule.
Don't know which is the more worrying: the way that Jumbo completely evaporated under minimal pressure, or that the French government will announce tomorrow morning that the race is cancelled.
Bennett lost a minute and a quarter and Kuss lost over two minutes.
So, yeah, those pair certainly knocked it off.
Lucky they didn't have an incident like Valverde.
Dani Martinez shipped over three and a half minutes, so EF have old man Uran and young boy Higuita left in contention.
However, my point still stands.
Jumbo did a lot of unnecessary work during the stage, then left their two leaders without help, 12 kms from the finish.
You just don't do that to rest a domestique and risk losing the Tour to a mechanical or puncture. (Valverde on the descent being a perfect example)
Bennett did a turn and has an excuse after his crash yesterday, but Kuss?
Two weeks ago the guy was on a different level to Tour leaders and today he was blown away like a leaf in the Mistral.
Hopefully, Rick will be able to report back after De avondetappe, with what they had to say.
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BREAKING NEWS: Rest of the Tour cancelled, Alaphillipe declared winner
(Joke)It's only a bit of sport, Mun. Relax and enjoy the racing.0 -
Hilarious. I expect a lot of thought went into that one.salsiccia1 said:BREAKING NEWS: Rest of the Tour cancelled, Alaphillipe declared winner
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I'm not sure what's stylish about flicking your wheel out towards other riders while gurning.lettingthedaysgoby said:
Predictable maybe, but he does it with such style.blazing_saddles said:The predictable winner
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I suppose that depends on your definition of style but, incontrovertibly in my opinion, one of the most exciting, attack-minded riders in the pro peloton today.gsk82 said:
I'm not sure what's stylish about flicking your wheel out towards other riders while gurning.lettingthedaysgoby said:
Predictable maybe, but he does it with such style.blazing_saddles said:The predictable winner
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Worth bearing in mind that Sagan was only wearing green today as there were people ahead of him who were wearing more prestigious jerseys, so he was only borrowing it, as it were.DeadCalm said:
Kristoff in green. He'll be delighted with that.TheBigBean said:When did Sagan get dropped? He's not in green tomorrow.
The way Sagan looked on the second climb, the fact that Trentin comfortably beat him in the sprint, I'd say green is up for grabs this year if someone (maybe Trentin) really targets it.0 -
Sorry for the poor attempt at levity, I should stick to wanking myself silly over Roi Julien's panacheDeadCalm said:
Hilarious. I expect a lot of thought went into that one.salsiccia1 said:BREAKING NEWS: Rest of the Tour cancelled, Alaphillipe declared winner
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As long as you wear a mask.salsiccia1 said:
Sorry for the poor attempt at levity, I should stick to wanking myself silly over Roi Julien's panacheDeadCalm said:
Hilarious. I expect a lot of thought went into that one.salsiccia1 said:BREAKING NEWS: Rest of the Tour cancelled, Alaphillipe declared winner
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Top posting."If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0
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This is the question did jumbo just fade or did they knock it off .DeadCalm said:
In fairness, they looked pretty good until Kwiatkowski took out Dumoulin whereupon they sensibly decided to knock off the chase.blazing_saddles said:The predictable winner after a pretty dour affair, ridden on the slowest schedule.
Don't know which is the more worrying: the way that Jumbo completely evaporated under minimal pressure, or that the French government will announce tomorrow morning that the race is cancelled."If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
In my youth, a mask would have been useful. These days not really needed.Lanterne_Rogue said:
As long as you wear a mask.salsiccia1 said:
Sorry for the poor attempt at levity, I should stick to wanking myself silly over Roi Julien's panacheDeadCalm said:
Hilarious. I expect a lot of thought went into that one.salsiccia1 said:BREAKING NEWS: Rest of the Tour cancelled, Alaphillipe declared winner
(Joke)Team My Man 2022:
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That is exactly my thoughts about Jumbo-Visma. I did not understand why Jumbo-Visma was pulling the lead group by themselves while Ineos was just chilling in the group enjoying all the hard work Jumbo-Visma was doing.blazing_saddles said:
No, it was Van Aert who gave Dumoulin an assist. Roglic was always in the bunch.DeadCalm said:
How do we think Dumoulin got back in? We didn't see it so we'll just have to surmise for now. Possibly, he rode the finale a good 30 seconds faster than anyone else all on his own despite Ineos and Astana hammering it on the front, in which case, he's now the favourite in my eyes. Or, perhaps, just perhaps, Jumbo's support riders, Kuss and Bennett, dropped back and sacrificed themselves to bring one of their two team leaders back into the bunch.blazing_saddles said:
Dumoulin ended up being first Jumbo over the line. Roglic was almost last in the bunch.DeadCalm said:
In fairness, they looked pretty good until Kwiatkowski took out Dumoulin whereupon they sensibly decided to knock off the chase.blazing_saddles said:The predictable winner after a pretty dour affair, ridden on the slowest schedule.
Don't know which is the more worrying: the way that Jumbo completely evaporated under minimal pressure, or that the French government will announce tomorrow morning that the race is cancelled.
Bennett lost a minute and a quarter and Kuss lost over two minutes.
So, yeah, those pair certainly knocked it off.
Lucky they didn't have an incident like Valverde.
Dani Martinez shipped over three and a half minutes, so EF have old man Uran and young boy Higuita left in contention.
However, my point still stands.
Jumbo did a lot of unnecessary work during the stage, then left their two leaders without help, 12 kms from the finish.
You just don't do that to rest a domestique and risk losing the Tour to a mechanical or puncture. (Valverde on the descent being a perfect example)
Bennett did a turn and has an excuse after his crash yesterday, but Kuss?
Two weeks ago the guy was on a different level to Tour leaders and today he was blown away like a leaf in the Mistral.
Hopefully, Rick will be able to report back after De avondetappe, with what they had to say.
This is exactly the reason why I have bet on Bernal this year despite Roglic being the favourite, as Ineos knows how to win the TdF.0 -
I don't think they were pulling particularly hard. It looked like a bit of a stroll. Even towards the end the front three weren't going all out up or down the climb, but we're still taking time until the last 2kmzest28 said:
That is exactly my thoughts about Jumbo-Visma. I did not understand why Jumbo-Visma was pulling the lead group by themselves while Ineos was just chilling in the group enjoying all the hard work Jumbo-Visma was doing.blazing_saddles said:
No, it was Van Aert who gave Dumoulin an assist. Roglic was always in the bunch.DeadCalm said:
How do we think Dumoulin got back in? We didn't see it so we'll just have to surmise for now. Possibly, he rode the finale a good 30 seconds faster than anyone else all on his own despite Ineos and Astana hammering it on the front, in which case, he's now the favourite in my eyes. Or, perhaps, just perhaps, Jumbo's support riders, Kuss and Bennett, dropped back and sacrificed themselves to bring one of their two team leaders back into the bunch.blazing_saddles said:
Dumoulin ended up being first Jumbo over the line. Roglic was almost last in the bunch.DeadCalm said:
In fairness, they looked pretty good until Kwiatkowski took out Dumoulin whereupon they sensibly decided to knock off the chase.blazing_saddles said:The predictable winner after a pretty dour affair, ridden on the slowest schedule.
Don't know which is the more worrying: the way that Jumbo completely evaporated under minimal pressure, or that the French government will announce tomorrow morning that the race is cancelled.
Bennett lost a minute and a quarter and Kuss lost over two minutes.
So, yeah, those pair certainly knocked it off.
Lucky they didn't have an incident like Valverde.
Dani Martinez shipped over three and a half minutes, so EF have old man Uran and young boy Higuita left in contention.
However, my point still stands.
Jumbo did a lot of unnecessary work during the stage, then left their two leaders without help, 12 kms from the finish.
You just don't do that to rest a domestique and risk losing the Tour to a mechanical or puncture. (Valverde on the descent being a perfect example)
Bennett did a turn and has an excuse after his crash yesterday, but Kuss?
Two weeks ago the guy was on a different level to Tour leaders and today he was blown away like a leaf in the Mistral.
Hopefully, Rick will be able to report back after De avondetappe, with what they had to say.
This is exactly the reason why I have bet on Bernal this year despite Roglic being the favourite, as Ineos knows how to win the TdF."Unfortunately these days a lot of people don’t understand the real quality of a bike" Ernesto Colnago0 -
Try Lanterne RougeDeadCalm said:
Anyone recommend any decent TDF podcasts? I used to subscribe to the ITV one but it's become virtually unlistenable recently.ddraver said:Ah ok, Ned & Dave didn't pick up on that...
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If lounging around in the peloton whilst the strongest team does all the work is such a great tactic, why has it singularly failed for anyone else in however many years Ineos/Sky have been dominating?1
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A win not only for disk brakes today, but also clincher tyres. That should keep a few purists frothing for a while.0
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Today was Jumbo doing a good impression of Movistar for the last 3 or 4 years.Napoleon, don't be jealous that I've been chatting online with babes all day. Besides, we both know that I'm training to be a cage fighter.0
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Sky stopped doing it a few years ago when it was no longer the right tactic for their leader. It feels a bit like Jumbo (and, as above Movistar in recent years) are taking the approach that it worked for Sky so that's the way to win the Tour these days rather than working out what's best for them.Lanterne_Rogue said:If lounging around in the peloton whilst the strongest team does all the work is such a great tactic, why has it singularly failed for anyone else in however many years Ineos/Sky have been dominating?
It might be the right tactic and worked in the Dauphine but it's going to be tough doing it for 3 weeks, especially now the teams are smaller. In recent Tours Sky / Ineos seem to have split their team so that riders have key roles spread over the duration. I thought they played it well today, always near the front but only actually on the front at the key moment.0 -
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Within your lane for the majority of us. 😉
Yes, Ive seen people descending on the wrong side of the road. 😱The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
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“Alles prima”blazing_saddles said:
No, it was Van Aert who gave Dumoulin an assist. Roglic was always in the bunch.DeadCalm said:
How do we think Dumoulin got back in? We didn't see it so we'll just have to surmise for now. Possibly, he rode the finale a good 30 seconds faster than anyone else all on his own despite Ineos and Astana hammering it on the front, in which case, he's now the favourite in my eyes. Or, perhaps, just perhaps, Jumbo's support riders, Kuss and Bennett, dropped back and sacrificed themselves to bring one of their two team leaders back into the bunch.blazing_saddles said:
Dumoulin ended up being first Jumbo over the line. Roglic was almost last in the bunch.DeadCalm said:
In fairness, they looked pretty good until Kwiatkowski took out Dumoulin whereupon they sensibly decided to knock off the chase.blazing_saddles said:The predictable winner after a pretty dour affair, ridden on the slowest schedule.
Don't know which is the more worrying: the way that Jumbo completely evaporated under minimal pressure, or that the French government will announce tomorrow morning that the race is cancelled.
Bennett lost a minute and a quarter and Kuss lost over two minutes.
So, yeah, those pair certainly knocked it off.
Lucky they didn't have an incident like Valverde.
Dani Martinez shipped over three and a half minutes, so EF have old man Uran and young boy Higuita left in contention.
However, my point still stands.
Jumbo did a lot of unnecessary work during the stage, then left their two leaders without help, 12 kms from the finish.
You just don't do that to rest a domestique and risk losing the Tour to a mechanical or puncture. (Valverde on the descent being a perfect example)
Bennett did a turn and has an excuse after his crash yesterday, but Kuss?
Two weeks ago the guy was on a different level to Tour leaders and today he was blown away like a leaf in the Mistral.
Hopefully, Rick will be able to report back after De avondetappe, with what they had to say.
(All good).
They’re mainly blown away by how chill Dumoulin is in the post-race chat. Joking with the interviewer etc.
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Untill some chopper comes steaming in on the inside to take your placeddraver said:Anyone with a young cyclist, show them this!
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Dutch camera men doing some shots of the descent off the Turini. I was surprised how noisy the brakes were.lettingthedaysgoby said:A win not only for disk brakes today, but also clincher tyres. That should keep a few purists frothing for a while.
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Interesting.rick_chasey said:
“Alles prima”blazing_saddles said:
No, it was Van Aert who gave Dumoulin an assist. Roglic was always in the bunch.DeadCalm said:
How do we think Dumoulin got back in? We didn't see it so we'll just have to surmise for now. Possibly, he rode the finale a good 30 seconds faster than anyone else all on his own despite Ineos and Astana hammering it on the front, in which case, he's now the favourite in my eyes. Or, perhaps, just perhaps, Jumbo's support riders, Kuss and Bennett, dropped back and sacrificed themselves to bring one of their two team leaders back into the bunch.blazing_saddles said:
Dumoulin ended up being first Jumbo over the line. Roglic was almost last in the bunch.DeadCalm said:
In fairness, they looked pretty good until Kwiatkowski took out Dumoulin whereupon they sensibly decided to knock off the chase.blazing_saddles said:The predictable winner after a pretty dour affair, ridden on the slowest schedule.
Don't know which is the more worrying: the way that Jumbo completely evaporated under minimal pressure, or that the French government will announce tomorrow morning that the race is cancelled.
Bennett lost a minute and a quarter and Kuss lost over two minutes.
So, yeah, those pair certainly knocked it off.
Lucky they didn't have an incident like Valverde.
Dani Martinez shipped over three and a half minutes, so EF have old man Uran and young boy Higuita left in contention.
However, my point still stands.
Jumbo did a lot of unnecessary work during the stage, then left their two leaders without help, 12 kms from the finish.
You just don't do that to rest a domestique and risk losing the Tour to a mechanical or puncture. (Valverde on the descent being a perfect example)
Bennett did a turn and has an excuse after his crash yesterday, but Kuss?
Two weeks ago the guy was on a different level to Tour leaders and today he was blown away like a leaf in the Mistral.
Hopefully, Rick will be able to report back after De avondetappe, with what they had to say.
(All good).
They’re mainly blown away by how chill Dumoulin is in the post-race chat. Joking with the interviewer etc.
The benefit of having a team mate in Roglic carrying the favourite tag, one assumes.
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they'll need to change the pads tonight. One thing I hate about disks is how noisy they get after a bit of use - but I only MTB on them.rick_chasey said:
Dutch camera men doing some shots of the descent off the Turini. I was surprised how noisy the brakes were.lettingthedaysgoby said:A win not only for disk brakes today, but also clincher tyres. That should keep a few purists frothing for a while.
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I wrote Breukink but I mean Bruyneel. Breukink is often wrong tbf.rick_chasey said:
If you want analysis then move is ok - with all the caveats of Armstrong et al making a point but Breukink is rarely wrong.DeadCalm said:
I'm not opposed to informal but I'd like something where I can get some reasonably informed opinion rather than 4 blokes talking over each other, trying, and generally failing, to be funny.rick_chasey said:
What are you after?DeadCalm said:
Anyone recommend any decent TDF podcasts? I used to subscribe to the ITV one but it's become virtually unlistenable recently.ddraver said:Ah ok, Ned & Dave didn't pick up on that...
Maybe time for some podcasts for an hour. Unfortunately I can't mute either ITV or GCN apps to have it on in the background...
Wiggins isn’t short of an opinion but again it is often about him.
I don’t tend to listen to the cycling podcast in the Tour (no Friebe) but they are quite good with the ‘narrative’, being journos and all.0 -
Thanks for the recommendation. I'm listening to the Move right now. Pretty good so far.rick_chasey said:
I wrote Breukink but I mean Bruyneel. Breukink is often wrong tbf.rick_chasey said:
If you want analysis then move is ok - with all the caveats of Armstrong et al making a point but Breukink is rarely wrong.DeadCalm said:
I'm not opposed to informal but I'd like something where I can get some reasonably informed opinion rather than 4 blokes talking over each other, trying, and generally failing, to be funny.rick_chasey said:
What are you after?DeadCalm said:
Anyone recommend any decent TDF podcasts? I used to subscribe to the ITV one but it's become virtually unlistenable recently.ddraver said:Ah ok, Ned & Dave didn't pick up on that...
Maybe time for some podcasts for an hour. Unfortunately I can't mute either ITV or GCN apps to have it on in the background...
Wiggins isn’t short of an opinion but again it is often about him.
I don’t tend to listen to the cycling podcast in the Tour (no Friebe) but they are quite good with the ‘narrative’, being journos and all.Team My Man 2022:
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Mine are silent generally. All bike disk brakes are super loud in the wet afaik though.davidof said:
they'll need to change the pads tonight. One thing I hate about disks is how noisy they get after a bit of use - but I only MTB on them.rick_chasey said:
Dutch camera men doing some shots of the descent off the Turini. I was surprised how noisy the brakes were.lettingthedaysgoby said:A win not only for disk brakes today, but also clincher tyres. That should keep a few purists frothing for a while.
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