Exam Grades

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  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 26,332
    pblakeney said:

    johngti said:

    I'm not being funny, but what's the lowest grade you can get? Is that a B?

    At A-level? Grade E is the lowest pass, grade U if you don’t pass. IB does grades 7-1 across 6 subjects so more demanding than A-levels.
    Sorry but if someone tells me that they got a D or an E I am thinking failed.
    Doubt I am alone in that.
    Understandable, it's only been a pass for the last 58 years.
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,399
    edited August 2021
    johngti said:

    I'm not being funny, but what's the lowest grade you can get? Is that a B?

    At A-level? Grade E is the lowest pass, grade U if you don’t pass. IB does grades 7-1 across 6 subjects so more demanding than A-levels.

    So you get 1 grade?
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 25,892

    pblakeney said:

    johngti said:

    I'm not being funny, but what's the lowest grade you can get? Is that a B?

    At A-level? Grade E is the lowest pass, grade U if you don’t pass. IB does grades 7-1 across 6 subjects so more demanding than A-levels.
    Sorry but if someone tells me that they got a D or an E I am thinking failed.
    Doubt I am alone in that.
    Understandable, it's only been a pass for the last 58 years.
    It may officially be a pass but if it comes across my desk it is a fail.
    Some may complain but it is fair if done across the board.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
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  • johngti
    johngti Posts: 2,508
    ddraver said:

    johngti said:

    I'm not being funny, but what's the lowest grade you can get? Is that a B?

    At A-level? Grade E is the lowest pass, grade U if you don’t pass. IB does grades 7-1 across 6 subjects so more demanding than A-levels.

    So you get 1 grade?
    No. Individual grades in each subject. These are added up, the core units (extended essay, theory of knowledge essay and CAS) give you a maximum of three extra points. The maximum you can get is 45 points overall but that’s only a very small percentage of students worldwide. If you meet the right conditions you get the diploma otherwise you just have the individual subject points.

    For the subjects, students choose three at higher level and three at standard level. Highers are around A-level standard, standards are around AS level. Maths HL goes to greater depth than A-level maths but has less breadth. The questions also tend to be a bit more challenging. And every subject has a coursework element.

    (CAS is “community, activity, service” so students are expected to do things like volunteering and D of E etc)
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 14,678
    pblakeney said:

    johngti said:

    I'm not being funny, but what's the lowest grade you can get? Is that a B?

    At A-level? Grade E is the lowest pass, grade U if you don’t pass. IB does grades 7-1 across 6 subjects so more demanding than A-levels.
    Sorry but if someone tells me that they got a D or an E I am thinking failed.
    Doubt I am alone in that.
    I think it is an achievement. Much harder to get than an A.
  • womack
    womack Posts: 566
    To be fair whatever grades they get most of them can't do simple maths without an aid.

  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 20,708

    pblakeney said:

    johngti said:

    I'm not being funny, but what's the lowest grade you can get? Is that a B?

    At A-level? Grade E is the lowest pass, grade U if you don’t pass. IB does grades 7-1 across 6 subjects so more demanding than A-levels.
    Sorry but if someone tells me that they got a D or an E I am thinking failed.
    Doubt I am alone in that.
    I think it is an achievement. Much harder to get than an A.
    I have a D at A-Level.
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 14,678

    pblakeney said:

    johngti said:

    I'm not being funny, but what's the lowest grade you can get? Is that a B?

    At A-level? Grade E is the lowest pass, grade U if you don’t pass. IB does grades 7-1 across 6 subjects so more demanding than A-levels.
    Sorry but if someone tells me that they got a D or an E I am thinking failed.
    Doubt I am alone in that.
    I think it is an achievement. Much harder to get than an A.
    I have a D at A-Level.
    Congratulations. I missed out on a D by three whole grades.
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 20,708

    pblakeney said:

    johngti said:

    I'm not being funny, but what's the lowest grade you can get? Is that a B?

    At A-level? Grade E is the lowest pass, grade U if you don’t pass. IB does grades 7-1 across 6 subjects so more demanding than A-levels.
    Sorry but if someone tells me that they got a D or an E I am thinking failed.
    Doubt I am alone in that.
    I think it is an achievement. Much harder to get than an A.
    I have a D at A-Level.
    Congratulations. I missed out on a D by three whole grades.
    The trick is to pick a subject you're not very good at. That's obviously hard for all-round geniuses, but I had a number to choose from.

  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 18,083

    pblakeney said:

    johngti said:

    I'm not being funny, but what's the lowest grade you can get? Is that a B?

    At A-level? Grade E is the lowest pass, grade U if you don’t pass. IB does grades 7-1 across 6 subjects so more demanding than A-levels.
    Sorry but if someone tells me that they got a D or an E I am thinking failed.
    Doubt I am alone in that.
    Understandable, it's only been a pass for the last 58 years.

    I only discovered when I failed my A-level maths in 1981 that an 'O' was a grade.
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 25,892

    pblakeney said:

    johngti said:

    I'm not being funny, but what's the lowest grade you can get? Is that a B?

    At A-level? Grade E is the lowest pass, grade U if you don’t pass. IB does grades 7-1 across 6 subjects so more demanding than A-levels.
    Sorry but if someone tells me that they got a D or an E I am thinking failed.
    Doubt I am alone in that.
    I think it is an achievement. Much harder to get than an A.
    I blew the achievement by resitting my D to get a C.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
    Veronese68 wrote:
    PB is the most sensible person on here.
  • morstar
    morstar Posts: 6,190
    Whilst grades matter for uni entry and your early job applications, does anybody think they actually matter beyond your mid 20’s?

    By then, they are just a measure of your early pathway.
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,399
    edited August 2021
    johngti said:

    ddraver said:

    johngti said:

    I'm not being funny, but what's the lowest grade you can get? Is that a B?

    At A-level? Grade E is the lowest pass, grade U if you don’t pass. IB does grades 7-1 across 6 subjects so more demanding than A-levels.

    So you get 1 grade?
    No. Individual grades in each subject. These are added up, the core units (extended essay, theory of knowledge essay and CAS) give you a maximum of three extra points. The maximum you can get is 45 points overall but that’s only a very small percentage of students worldwide. If you meet the right conditions you get the diploma otherwise you just have the individual subject points.

    For the subjects, students choose three at higher level and three at standard level. Highers are around A-level standard, standards are around AS level. Maths HL goes to greater depth than A-level maths but has less breadth. The questions also tend to be a bit more challenging. And every subject has a coursework element.

    (CAS is “community, activity, service” so students are expected to do things like volunteering and D of E etc)
    OK, I see. If you wanted to do a subject because it was useful (i.e. Maths), could you do badly in that but make it up by being good at the other subjects..?

    morstar said:

    Whilst grades matter for uni entry and your early job applications, does anybody think they actually matter beyond your mid 20’s?

    By then, they are just a measure of your early pathway.

    Agree. Almost say the same about your uni grade by your 30s
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 14,678
    pblakeney said:

    pblakeney said:

    johngti said:

    I'm not being funny, but what's the lowest grade you can get? Is that a B?

    At A-level? Grade E is the lowest pass, grade U if you don’t pass. IB does grades 7-1 across 6 subjects so more demanding than A-levels.
    Sorry but if someone tells me that they got a D or an E I am thinking failed.
    Doubt I am alone in that.
    I think it is an achievement. Much harder to get than an A.
    I blew the achievement by resitting my D to get a C.
    Idiot.
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 14,678

    pblakeney said:

    johngti said:

    I'm not being funny, but what's the lowest grade you can get? Is that a B?

    At A-level? Grade E is the lowest pass, grade U if you don’t pass. IB does grades 7-1 across 6 subjects so more demanding than A-levels.
    Sorry but if someone tells me that they got a D or an E I am thinking failed.
    Doubt I am alone in that.
    Understandable, it's only been a pass for the last 58 years.

    I only discovered when I failed my A-level maths in 1981 that an 'O' was a grade.
    Dude, that's a 0, not an O. No wonder you failed maths.
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 14,678

    pblakeney said:

    johngti said:

    I'm not being funny, but what's the lowest grade you can get? Is that a B?

    At A-level? Grade E is the lowest pass, grade U if you don’t pass. IB does grades 7-1 across 6 subjects so more demanding than A-levels.
    Sorry but if someone tells me that they got a D or an E I am thinking failed.
    Doubt I am alone in that.
    I think it is an achievement. Much harder to get than an A.
    I have a D at A-Level.
    Congratulations. I missed out on a D by three whole grades.
    The trick is to pick a subject you're not very good at. That's obviously hard for all-round geniuses, but I had a number to choose from.

    I should've taken a language then.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 72,866
    Languages weren’t compulsory? Yikes
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 14,678

    Languages weren’t compulsory? Yikes

    This is Britain. We communicate in a foreign language by speaking English at a different volume.

    Weren't even compulsory at GCSE when I took them.

    I'm bloody good at anything technical though, having specialised early.

    It pays the bills.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 72,866
    Shocker.

    Teaching you to suck eggs but learning languages is as much about learning another culture/perspective on the world.

    (Granted might not get much of an insight at GCSE level)
  • johngti
    johngti Posts: 2,508
    @ddraver ” OK, I see. If you wanted to do a subject because it was useful (i.e. Maths), could you do badly in that but make it up by being good at the other subjects..?”

    Not really no. You have to get a minimum point score of 28 (I think!) but 12 of those have to come from your highers with a minimum of 3 in any one of them in order to be awarded the diploma. Realistically, to get into a decent uni, you need to be getting 30 points or more and get the diploma.
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 14,678

    Shocker.

    Teaching you to suck eggs but learning languages is as much about learning another culture/perspective on the world.

    (Granted might not get much of an insight at GCSE level)

    GCSE languages were more about ordering bread and sausages at rural locations in Germany, as I recall.

    I agree and I miss out. I'm an observant traveller and not a talker in person anyway. But I've ended up travelling more extensively where I can communicate, that's for sure.
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 20,708

    Languages weren’t compulsory? Yikes

    Most people only did 3 A-Levels, so inisting one is a language would be a bit much.
  • johngti
    johngti Posts: 2,508

    Languages weren’t compulsory? Yikes

    Most people only did 3 A-Levels, so inisting one is a language would be a bit much.
    Studying a language is compulsory in the IB diploma programme
  • johngti
    johngti Posts: 2,508
    Oh and they have to do maths, English and a science of some description too.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 40,794

    Shocker.

    Teaching you to suck eggs but learning languages is as much about learning another culture/perspective on the world.

    (Granted might not get much of an insight at GCSE level)

    I did French to GCSE and 2 years of German but realistically I was never going to learn more than the basics with two 1 hour lessons a week in a room where less than half the people had any interest. I really wish I'd learned them in more depth now.

    It's the downside of speaking a first language that is so widely spoken, you can easily find people who understand you on travels so no real incentive to learn anything else. The Scandinavian countries and Netherlands seem to learn English almost as much as their first language as they'll struggle to communicate outside their own country otherwise.

    Welsh is compulsory in schools here I think to some extent from reception to GCSE although that has come in since I finished school but most of those teaching it (at primary level at least) aren't native speakers and again there just isn't enough time for anyone to become fluent without a lot of time self-learning.
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,399
    OK, so in my case they'd be doing maths anyway...
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 72,866
    edited August 2021
    Pross said:

    Shocker.

    Teaching you to suck eggs but learning languages is as much about learning another culture/perspective on the world.

    (Granted might not get much of an insight at GCSE level)

    I did French to GCSE and 2 years of German but realistically I was never going to learn more than the basics with two 1 hour lessons a week in a room where less than half the people had any interest. I really wish I'd learned them in more depth now.

    It's the downside of speaking a first language that is so widely spoken, you can easily find people who understand you on travels so no real incentive to learn anything else. The Scandinavian countries and Netherlands seem to learn English almost as much as their first language as they'll struggle to communicate outside their own country otherwise.

    Welsh is compulsory in schools here I think to some extent from reception to GCSE although that has come in since I finished school but most of those teaching it (at primary level at least) aren't native speakers and again there just isn't enough time for anyone to become fluent without a lot of time self-learning.
    Sure - my point is if you think languages are just about communicating you’re wrong as you’re missing a big big portion.

    To the extent to which you’ll never be truly fluent unless you understand the culture.

    Hence why most uni language courses involve a year abroad
  • womack
    womack Posts: 566
    Pross said:

    Shocker.

    Teaching you to suck eggs but learning languages is as much about learning another culture/perspective on the world.

    (Granted might not get much of an insight at GCSE level)

    I did French to GCSE and 2 years of German but realistically I was never going to learn more than the basics with two 1 hour lessons a week in a room where less than half the people had any interest. I really wish I'd learned them in more depth now.

    It's the downside of speaking a first language that is so widely spoken, you can easily find people who understand you on travels so no real incentive to learn anything else. The Scandinavian countries and Netherlands seem to learn English almost as much as their first language as they'll struggle to communicate outside their own country otherwise.

    Welsh is compulsory in schools here I think to some extent from reception to GCSE although that has come in since I finished school but most of those teaching it (at primary level at least) aren't native speakers and again there just isn't enough time for anyone to become fluent without a lot of time self-learning.


    If it wasn't for the Blue Books you wouldn't have needed to be taught at school, it would have still been your native tongue.

    Took the Welsh speaking % from 80 to 20 in a little over two generations.


  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 20,708

    Pross said:

    Shocker.

    Teaching you to suck eggs but learning languages is as much about learning another culture/perspective on the world.

    (Granted might not get much of an insight at GCSE level)

    I did French to GCSE and 2 years of German but realistically I was never going to learn more than the basics with two 1 hour lessons a week in a room where less than half the people had any interest. I really wish I'd learned them in more depth now.

    It's the downside of speaking a first language that is so widely spoken, you can easily find people who understand you on travels so no real incentive to learn anything else. The Scandinavian countries and Netherlands seem to learn English almost as much as their first language as they'll struggle to communicate outside their own country otherwise.

    Welsh is compulsory in schools here I think to some extent from reception to GCSE although that has come in since I finished school but most of those teaching it (at primary level at least) aren't native speakers and again there just isn't enough time for anyone to become fluent without a lot of time self-learning.
    Sure - my point is if you think languages are just about communicating you’re wrong as you’re missing a big big portion.

    To the extent to which you’ll never be truly fluent unless you understand the culture.

    Hence why most uni language courses involve a year abroad
    Sounds like you are encouraging gap years.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 72,866
    I don’t know anyone who went on a gap year to speak the local language.