Disc, discs, everywhere
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It’s not just the distance, it’s the effort involved, and the profile of the route that’s the key. This bike is like comparing a super stock motorbike and a Grand Prix bike, in terms of adjustability and customisability, compared to just about any other bike I’ve ever owned.imposter2.0 said:
Got to say, that's the first time I've ever, ever heard of anyone altering the position on their regular ride, just because they happen to be riding a different distance.
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You could make a fortune.First.Aspect said:I wish I was knowledgeable enough to correctly size a bike from an avatar without even needing to measure the rider.
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You are not the only one on here with a high-end bike. I know it's not just the distance, but thanks for pointing that out. The adjustability is irrelevant. Just because something 'can' be adjusted, does not mean it 'should' be. The fact that you claim to alter your position depending on how hard you ride is utterly absurd and is just more evidence that - despite all the claims - you don't really know what you're doing...brundonbianchi said:
It’s not just the distance, it’s the effort involved, and the profile of the route that’s the key. This bike is like comparing a super stock motorbike and a Grand Prix bike, in terms of adjustability and customisability, compared to just about any other bike I’ve ever owned.imposter2.0 said:
Got to say, that's the first time I've ever, ever heard of anyone altering the position on their regular ride, just because they happen to be riding a different distance.1 -
There's a lot of childish in this threadorraloon said:Has the heat gotten to y'all? This thread would have been pinned on the 'all kicking off in popcorn watch' had the our childish website mods not 'barred' it.
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They have won most of the races this season on rim brakes and if you knew anything about professional cycling you would know they ride what they are given. The only time Jumbo have ridden disc brakes was when their one rider who is given to that sort of thing rode a few cross races.brundonbianchi said:
I can’t remember whether they’ll all be riding with rim brakes, or there’s a choice. They are using Shimano groupsets though, which is a shame.kingstongraham said:I'm sure Jumbo Visma are riding with rim brakes.
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I’ve never heard so much crap about an expensive, wrong sized bicycle. I have two very expensive Colnagos, one a Concept with deep section wheels, and the other a C60. I have them both set up EXACTLY the same and I ride hills on one and flats on the other, from 30 miles flat out blasts to 200 mile all day rides, to 10k+ feet of climbing days in the Peak District. There is absolutely no need to change a Bike’s setup for each ride. Your ideal setup, is your ideal setup that you will be comfy riding.
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But this mile muncher, he knows everything about bikes and how to ride them. However it appears it his alto ego who post on here who just spouts b*llocks.
Back to discs, it seems that one of the few teams not on them keeps winning everything.0 -
I also have a C60, and have had my eye on a Concept. Genuine question- is the concept a faster bike than the C60 would you say? If so, is there much in it?pilot_pete said:I’ve never heard so much censored about an expensive, wrong sized bicycle. I have two very expensive Colnagos, one a Concept with deep section wheels, and the other a C60. I have them both set up EXACTLY the same and I ride hills on one and flats on the other, from 30 miles flat out blasts to 200 mile all day rides, to 10k+ feet of climbing days in the Peak District. There is absolutely no need to change a Bike’s setup for each ride. Your ideal setup, is your ideal setup that you will be comfy riding.
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Quite apart from the fact that a man who averages 19mph in an almost pan flat sportive that is basically a 100 mile crit isn't capable of 'wringing the life' out of a bike in any circumstances, you truly have jumped the shark if you're suggesting that you fcuk around with the stem and stack height depending on whether you're going down the shops or hanging out the back of your local chainy.
You just can't help yourself, can you? Although I'm acutely aware that I'm feeding your delusion by replying...Fat chopper. Some racing. Some testing. Some crashing.
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I can actually see this catching on among the pro teams as they search for the next marginal gain.
Perhaps we will start to see the sprinters dropping back to the cars with 20km to go so that the mechanics can whip out a couple of spacers in readiness for the finish.1 -
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Watching the Dauphine last night, it seems that everyone is riding tiny bikes with massive stems and long seat posts. The only exception appeared to be alaphillipe.
I'm off to buy a 42" frame and a 210mm stem.Insert bike here:1 -
Well, I suppose it’s horses for courses. My Concept does feel slightly faster, but it’s got very deep section wheels and integrated bar and stem etc, which means it is more aero full stop.siddy1972 said:I also have a C60, and have had my eye on a Concept. Genuine question- is the concept a faster bike than the C60 would you say? If so, is there much in it?
With this setup it is slightly harsher than the C60, but I don’t mind that, it is an out and out speed machine. I did a 160 mile ride to Ludlow and back a week or so ago, over rolling Shropshire terrain, with 8500’ of climbing and didn’t feel unduly fatigued.
The C60 has less deep section wheels and a conventional cockpit setup. Both have Rotor cranks, 52/36 on the Concept but I swapped the 36 for a 34 inner ring on the C60. Both have 11/28 cassettes, but the 34 on the C60 just helps with the Peak District climbs, many of which are well into double figures on the gradients.
So the C60 feels much nicer climbing, especially steeper stuff and you will already be familiar with its sublime handling.
The C60 does just handle a bit nicer on fast descents than the Concept, but that’s probably down to the wheels. I should swap them between bikes to compare this aspect, but have never got round to it!
Both are disc braked. The C60 was designed as post mount, the Concept followed the now dominant standard of flat mount. My C60 runs the previous generation of Dura Ace, whereas my Concept is 9170. The C60 has STR-785 shifters as there was no Dura Ace hydraulic shifter back then, so the lever feel is a bit different between the two bikes. If anything, the STR-785s are chunkier, and actually feel a bit better on steep climbs for me.
Whether a Concept would feel faster than your C60 to you will depend on how each is set up, and how fast you currently ride at - I can average 19mph with a hard effort for 100 miles, but if you can average 20mph+ you will obviously be getting more aero benefit from the aero setup. If I was 20-30 years younger I could be well into the 20mph+ bracket so aero would be significantly advantageous, but of course I probably couldn’t have afforded either frame back then!!!
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mpatts said:
Watching the Dauphine last night, it seems that everyone is riding tiny bikes with massive stems and long seat posts. The only exception appeared to be alaphillipe.
I'm off to buy a 42" frame and a 210mm stem.
My road race bike is a 54 with a 110mm stem cos it needs to be relatively comfortable for longer rides as well as races. Crit bike is a 52 with a 130mm stem cos it feels better sprinting on a smaller frame, and I don't really care about comfort for an hour or so.
Pro-wise, I think Greipel rides an inordinately small frame and correspondingly inordinately long stem - and I know Cummings had a 150mm stem with a drop of 17 degrees - at least for a whileFat chopper. Some racing. Some testing. Some crashing.
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Yes, J V are really suffering with their rim brakes and Shimano groupsets at the moment. Maybe you should apply for a rech job at J V so that you can fine tune their bikes on a daily basis, depending on the type of "ride" for that day's stage.brundonbianchi said:
I can’t remember whether they’ll all be riding with rim brakes, or there’s a choice. They are using Shimano groupsets though, which is a shame.kingstongraham said:I'm sure Jumbo Visma are riding with rim brakes.
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I have a very similar approach to 'horses for courses'cruff said:mpatts said:Watching the Dauphine last night, it seems that everyone is riding tiny bikes with massive stems and long seat posts. The only exception appeared to be alaphillipe.
I'm off to buy a 42" frame and a 210mm stem.
My road race bike is a 54 with a 110mm stem cos it needs to be relatively comfortable for longer rides as well as races. Crit bike is a 52 with a 130mm stem cos it feels better sprinting on a smaller frame, and I don't really care about comfort for an hour or so.
Pro-wise, I think Greipel rides an inordinately small frame and correspondingly inordinately long stem - and I know Cummings had a 150mm stem with a drop of 17 degrees - at least for a while
My road race bike is purple
My crit bike is yellow
My SSCX race bike is a lovely light blue colour
My CX rage rig is 'knight rider' colour scheme, jet black with red flashes
Some of them of them even fit.
For hillier CX courses I obviously change the stack height on the CX bikes*
*By obviously, I mean I obviously don't. I don't even change tyres compared to conditions. I just run muds all year, at a variety of obsessively different pressures. Why? Because I'm not a pro and it makes naff all difference to my finish position.Insert bike here:0 -
Thanks very much for the detailed reply. My C60 is rim brake, with deep section wheels and separate bar and stem. I’m about the same as you 19mph at a push.pilot_pete said:
Well, I suppose it’s horses for courses. My Concept does feel slightly faster, but it’s got very deep section wheels and integrated bar and stem etc, which means it is more aero full stop.siddy1972 said:I also have a C60, and have had my eye on a Concept. Genuine question- is the concept a faster bike than the C60 would you say? If so, is there much in it?
With this setup it is slightly harsher than the C60, but I don’t mind that, it is an out and out speed machine. I did a 160 mile ride to Ludlow and back a week or so ago, over rolling Shropshire terrain, with 8500’ of climbing and didn’t feel unduly fatigued.
The C60 has less deep section wheels and a conventional cockpit setup. Both have Rotor cranks, 52/36 on the Concept but I swapped the 36 for a 34 inner ring on the C60. Both have 11/28 cassettes, but the 34 on the C60 just helps with the Peak District climbs, many of which are well into double figures on the gradients.
So the C60 feels much nicer climbing, especially steeper stuff and you will already be familiar with its sublime handling.
The C60 does just handle a bit nicer on fast descents than the Concept, but that’s probably down to the wheels. I should swap them between bikes to compare this aspect, but have never got round to it!
Both are disc braked. The C60 was designed as post mount, the Concept followed the now dominant standard of flat mount. My C60 runs the previous generation of Dura Ace, whereas my Concept is 9170. The C60 has STR-785 shifters as there was no Dura Ace hydraulic shifter back then, so the lever feel is a bit different between the two bikes. If anything, the STR-785s are chunkier, and actually feel a bit better on steep climbs for me.
Whether a Concept would feel faster than your C60 to you will depend on how each is set up, and how fast you currently ride at - I can average 19mph with a hard effort for 100 miles, but if you can average 20mph+ you will obviously be getting more aero benefit from the aero setup. If I was 20-30 years younger I could be well into the 20mph+ bracket so aero would be significantly advantageous, but of course I probably couldn’t have afforded either frame back then!!!
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I like to go as fast as I can everywhere it seems, just can’t help myself, but if we’re talking a difference of 0.1, it’s not worth the outlay.
And yes, the handling in the C60 is great!0 -
Two ‘officially’. I could get a bottle holder thingy for the saddle that could add another one, or two depending on the exact ‘thingy’. I can get a couple of 750 ml Bidons in my jersey pockets as well. However, barring an experiment to see how many bidons I can fit on the bike / on me, on a ride I’d never need that many, two will do and then find somewhere to refill them if necessary. They do add a surprising amount of weight too.kingstongraham said:How many bottles can you fit on it?
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Small bikes with loads of seat post, slammed, long, really negative angled stems (I’ve seen 140mm with -17degrees) are becoming increasingly common in the Pro ranks. There’s one of the Pro lady riders , on a team that uses Bianchis, with a stem that’s so negatively angled it actually looks broken, on her road bike. I forget who it is / was though.cruff said:mpatts said:Watching the Dauphine last night, it seems that everyone is riding tiny bikes with massive stems and long seat posts. The only exception appeared to be alaphillipe.
I'm off to buy a 42" frame and a 210mm stem.
My road race bike is a 54 with a 110mm stem cos it needs to be relatively comfortable for longer rides as well as races. Crit bike is a 52 with a 130mm stem cos it feels better sprinting on a smaller frame, and I don't really care about comfort for an hour or so.
Pro-wise, I think Greipel rides an inordinately small frame and correspondingly inordinately long stem - and I know Cummings had a 150mm stem with a drop of 17 degrees - at least for a while
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Imagine how well they’d be doing if they weren’t using fishing equipment. It’s total sacrilege / heresy to not use Campag kit on a Bianchi, in my opinion.FreddieVonRost said:
Yes, J V are really suffering with their rim brakes and Shimano groupsets at the moment. Maybe you should apply for a rech job at J V so that you can fine tune their bikes on a daily basis, depending on the type of "ride" for that day's stage.brundonbianchi said:
I can’t remember whether they’ll all be riding with rim brakes, or there’s a choice. They are using Shimano groupsets though, which is a shame.kingstongraham said:I'm sure Jumbo Visma are riding with rim brakes.
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Joking aside, I reckon that’s do-able with the ACR headset set up I’m using, because of the split, shaped spacers. It would be hilarious to watch them try because the bars are effectively not doing anything regarding controlling the bike, whilst they’re adjusting the position, , but where there’s a will, there’s a way, and I’m sure I saw a video of a pro rider going up one of the very steep legendary climbs ( it might have been the Zoncolan) with the front wheel removed, wheelying, and clapping his hands in front and behind him.mrb123 said:I can actually see this catching on among the pro teams as they search for the next marginal gain.
Perhaps we will start to see the sprinters dropping back to the cars with 20km to go so that the mechanics can whip out a couple of spacers in readiness for the finish.
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You could probably fit a load more in that 35kg backpack you claim to carry...brundonbianchi said:
Two ‘officially’. I could get a bottle holder thingy for the saddle that could add another one, or two depending on the exact ‘thingy’. I can get a couple of 750 ml Bidons in my jersey pockets as well. However, barring an experiment to see how many bidons I can fit on the bike / on me, on a ride I’d never need that many, two will do and then find somewhere to refill them if necessary. They do add a surprising amount of weight too.kingstongraham said:How many bottles can you fit on it?
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For the time being I’ll just stick with what works for me, as far as bike frame sizing goes, which is my inside leg measurement (32 inches ) -10 inches ( 22 inches ) which I believe equals 55.88 cm, which is pretty close to 55cm, which ( astonishingly ) is the frame size I have, then set up the cockpit according to my reach and what’s comfortable, which ( oddly ) is exactly what I’ve done. It gives me a set up, that means an Maximum extended seat post, and a stem that (can be ) quite slammed ( if needs be ). Over many years, I’ve always set my bikes up like that. I reckon the Pro’s should.......try.............. oh.0
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Apparently, you haven't done that though. You said earlier that you alter your stem stack height depending on how fast you want to go. So which is it - fixed position or variable..?brundonbianchi said:For the time being I’ll just stick with what works for me, as far as bike frame sizing goes, which is my inside leg measurement (32 inches ) -10 inches ( 22 inches ) which I believe equals 55.88 cm, which is pretty close to 55cm, which ( astonishingly ) is the frame size I have, then set up the cockpit according to my reach and what’s comfortable, which ( oddly ) is exactly what I’ve done.
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Please seek help, you are obviously in dire need of it.brundonbianchi said:
Imagine how well they’d be doing if they weren’t using fishing equipment. It’s total sacrilege / heresy to not use Campag kit on a Bianchi, in my opinion.FreddieVonRost said:
Yes, J V are really suffering with their rim brakes and Shimano groupsets at the moment. Maybe you should apply for a rech job at J V so that you can fine tune their bikes on a daily basis, depending on the type of "ride" for that day's stage.brundonbianchi said:
I can’t remember whether they’ll all be riding with rim brakes, or there’s a choice. They are using Shimano groupsets though, which is a shame.kingstongraham said:I'm sure Jumbo Visma are riding with rim brakes.
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First time he buys a Campag-equipped bike - after years of saying how fantastic Shimano was - he starts calling Shimano 'fishing equipment' and becomes a Campag bore. That tells you all you need to know.FreddieVonRost said:
Please seek help, you are obviously in dire need of it.brundonbianchi said:
Imagine how well they’d be doing if they weren’t using fishing equipment. It’s total sacrilege / heresy to not use Campag kit on a Bianchi, in my opinion.FreddieVonRost said:
Yes, J V are really suffering with their rim brakes and Shimano groupsets at the moment. Maybe you should apply for a rech job at J V so that you can fine tune their bikes on a daily basis, depending on the type of "ride" for that day's stage.brundonbianchi said:
I can’t remember whether they’ll all be riding with rim brakes, or there’s a choice. They are using Shimano groupsets though, which is a shame.kingstongraham said:I'm sure Jumbo Visma are riding with rim brakes.
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I cannot believe someone with a 32” inside leg, riding a 55cm frame would have the seatpost at its fullest extent. I ride a 55cm TT - both my Colnagos are 52s, which is 55TT, and my winter Felt is a 55TT too. None of them are anywhere near maximum extent on the seatpost, and I’m 5’11.5” with a 33” inside leg.
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