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  • mfin
    mfin Posts: 6,729
    shortfall said:



    Thanks for clarifying what a timepiece is.

    A timepiece is something purchased and worn by a ringpiece.
  • gethinceri
    gethinceri Posts: 1,665
    pblakeney said:

    brundonbianchi said:

    I’m 5 ft 11 with a 32 inch inseam, which makes it an absolute pain finding this sort of bike that fits properly...

    You do realise that these are distinctly average dimensions?
    I share these dimensions and my Specialissima fits me perfectly, it’s a size 57, the 55 was too small.

  • brundonbianchi
    brundonbianchi Posts: 689
    First.Aspect said:

    When I first took up cycling I got lots of helpful unsolicited advice, such as point my seat up and tip the shifters down, get tubulars, get a longer stem, that sort of thing.

    I'm so glad I ignored it.

    Very true. My bikes are set up for me. I’ve loaned a couple out to other people, with my settings, and they’ve given them straight back saying they found them so uncomfortable that they couldn’t ride them for more than a few minutes.

  • brundonbianchi
    brundonbianchi Posts: 689
    imposter2.0 said:

    Seat post and stem both at maximum extension suggests otherwise...

    Given it’s my bike, and I find it absolutely spot on with the current settings, I’d say that really is irrelevant.

  • brundonbianchi
    brundonbianchi Posts: 689
    pblakeney said:

    brundonbianchi said:

    I’m 5 ft 11 with a 32 inch inseam, which makes it an absolute pain finding this sort of bike that fits properly...

    You do realise that these are distinctly average dimensions?
    Absolutely, and right in the ‘medium’ ball park, for most bikes. However, these hardcore aero race bikes have a more ‘compact’ geometry than most standard road bikes, hence the usefulness of more incremental size choice from Bianchi. It makes life a lot easier.

  • brundonbianchi
    brundonbianchi Posts: 689
    imposter2.0 said:

    Seat post and stem both at maximum extension suggests otherwise...

    The seatpost is ( but that’s how I like it, and is the same for all my bikes) the stem isn’t. Like I said it’s very easy to adjust the stem, and I do, depending on what sort of ride I’m doing.
  • mrb123
    mrb123 Posts: 4,819
    brundonbianchi said:

    pblakeney said:

    brundonbianchi said:

    I’m 5 ft 11 with a 32 inch inseam, which makes it an absolute pain finding this sort of bike that fits properly...

    You do realise that these are distinctly average dimensions?
    Absolutely, and right in the ‘medium’ ball park, for most bikes. However, these hardcore aero race bikes have a more ‘compact’ geometry than most standard road bikes, hence the usefulness of more incremental size choice from Bianchi. It makes life a lot easier.

    In what way is the Bianchi size choice "more incremental"?

    As far as I can see they have just chosen to use odd numbers rather than evens.
  • brundonbianchi
    brundonbianchi Posts: 689
    gethinceri said:

    pblakeney said:

    brundonbianchi said:

    I’m 5 ft 11 with a 32 inch inseam, which makes it an absolute pain finding this sort of bike that fits properly...

    You do realise that these are distinctly average dimensions?
    I share these dimensions and my Specialissima fits me perfectly, it’s a size 57, the 55 was too small.

    The specialissima is a different frame design, I tried one, and found the 57 was a little to large ( not by much ) but I’m a proper fuss pot when it comes to bikes.

  • brundonbianchi
    brundonbianchi Posts: 689
    edited August 2020
    mrb123 said:

    brundonbianchi said:

    pblakeney said:

    brundonbianchi said:

    I’m 5 ft 11 with a 32 inch inseam, which makes it an absolute pain finding this sort of bike that fits properly...

    You do realise that these are distinctly average dimensions?
    Absolutely, and right in the ‘medium’ ball park, for most bikes. However, these hardcore aero race bikes have a more ‘compact’ geometry than most standard road bikes, hence the usefulness of more incremental size choice from Bianchi. It makes life a lot easier.

    In what way is the Bianchi size choice "more incremental"?

    As far as I can see they have just chosen to use odd numbers rather than evens.
    There’s a 53, 55 and 57 cm choice, at the ‘medium’ size point, a lot of other manufacturers just have a 54 and 56 choice at the ‘medium’ point. Having the two ‘book ends moved by a centimetre, means there’s space for one in the middle. Fortunately that works for me, and given it’s my bike, that’s a good thing. I know Bianchi do it, I’m fairly sure Pinarello do as well. Giant are interesting as well, they have an M and an M/L. I’m right in between the two, and I prefer the M to the M/L. Effectively Bianchi ( and Pinarello) have given a choice of M/S M and M/L ( in Giant terms ).
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,166
    I'm sure Jumbo Visma are riding with rim brakes.
  • imposter2.0
    imposter2.0 Posts: 12,028
    brundonbianchi said:

    mrb123 said:

    brundonbianchi said:

    pblakeney said:

    brundonbianchi said:

    I’m 5 ft 11 with a 32 inch inseam, which makes it an absolute pain finding this sort of bike that fits properly...

    You do realise that these are distinctly average dimensions?
    Absolutely, and right in the ‘medium’ ball park, for most bikes. However, these hardcore aero race bikes have a more ‘compact’ geometry than most standard road bikes, hence the usefulness of more incremental size choice from Bianchi. It makes life a lot easier.

    In what way is the Bianchi size choice "more incremental"?

    As far as I can see they have just chosen to use odd numbers rather than evens.
    There’s a 53, 55 and 57 cm choice, at the ‘medium’ size point, a lot of other manufacturers just have a 54 and 56 choice at the ‘medium’ point. Having the two ‘book ends moved by a centimetre, means there’s space for one in the middle. Fortunately that works for me, and given it’s my bike, that’s a good thing. I know Bianchi do it, I’m fairly sure Pinarello do as well. Giant are interesting as well, they have an M and an M/L. I’m right in between the two, and I prefer the M to the M/L.
    There's a 1cm TT difference and a 1.5cm HT difference between the Oltre 55 and 57. Given the way you have the 55 stem and seatpost at full extension, you would almost certainly have been better off on the 57. I suspect the real answer is that you either dismissed the 57 without properly considering it, or that Sigmasport didn't have it in stock when you had the money to spend...
  • imposter2.0
    imposter2.0 Posts: 12,028
    brundonbianchi said:

    imposter2.0 said:

    Seat post and stem both at maximum extension suggests otherwise...

    The seatpost is ( but that’s how I like it, and is the same for all my bikes) the stem isn’t. Like I said it’s very easy to adjust the stem, and I do, depending on what sort of ride I’m doing.
    You adjust your position 'depending on what kind of ride you're doing'..?? DO you not think that's a bit stupid?
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,207
    edited August 2020
    imposter2.0 said:

    brundonbianchi said:

    imposter2.0 said:

    Seat post and stem both at maximum extension suggests otherwise...

    The seatpost is ( but that’s how I like it, and is the same for all my bikes) the stem isn’t. Like I said it’s very easy to adjust the stem, and I do, depending on what sort of ride I’m doing.
    You adjust your position 'depending on what kind of ride you're doing'..?? DO you not think that's a bit stupid?
    https://www.bianchi.com/bikes/road/racing-road/

    The Bianchi website shows similar numbers of spacers, and the look is accentuated by the black paint and the way the tt joins the ht. So the stem position looks normal to me. The only difference seems to be the amount of saddle to bar drop, which does look painful, but then I am in my 40s.

    I'm no expert on inside leg measurements, but a 32" actual inseam means 34" inside leg troosers, which is on the gangly end of normal I'd say. So this could explain things.

    If you replicated the relative bar and saddle positions on the 57 it would open your upper back a bit (by not much), or necessitate a shorter stem (by not much). But the stem would be pretty much slammed (the stack is 2 cm more on the 57).

    So it is entirely feasible for the 57 to feel a bit big, and the 55 to feel great.

    Bike shops tend to recommend smaller frames if you are on the boundary. Rather than intentionally deceiving customers to make a sale on a £12k bike in the wrong size because you don't have the correct one in stock, for example.

    So rather than suggest that the OP, the bike shop and anyone who disagrees with you of being "stupid", perhaps consider that the 55 just felt better?
  • brundonbianchi
    brundonbianchi Posts: 689
    kingstongraham said:

    I'm sure Jumbo Visma are riding with rim brakes.

    I can’t remember whether they’ll all be riding with rim brakes, or there’s a choice. They are using Shimano groupsets though, which is a shame.

  • imposter2.0
    imposter2.0 Posts: 12,028
    First.Aspect said:

    imposter2.0 said:

    brundonbianchi said:

    imposter2.0 said:

    Seat post and stem both at maximum extension suggests otherwise...

    The seatpost is ( but that’s how I like it, and is the same for all my bikes) the stem isn’t. Like I said it’s very easy to adjust the stem, and I do, depending on what sort of ride I’m doing.
    You adjust your position 'depending on what kind of ride you're doing'..?? DO you not think that's a bit stupid?
    https://www.bianchi.com/bikes/road/racing-road/

    The Bianchi website shows similar numbers of spacers, and the look is accentuated by the black paint and the way the tt joins the ht. So the stem position looks normal to me. The only difference seems to be the amount of saddle to bar drop, which does look painful, but then I am in my 40s.

    I'm no expert on inside leg measurements, but a 32" actual inseam means 34" inside leg troosers, which is on the gangly end of normal I'd say. So this could explain things.

    If you replicated the relative bar and saddle positions on the 57 it would open your upper back a bit (by not much), or necessitate a shorter stem (by not much). But the stem would be pretty much slammed (the stack is 2 cm more on the 57).

    So it is entirely feasible for the 57 to feel a bit big, and the 55 to feel great.

    Bike shops tend to recommend smaller frames if you are on the boundary. Rather than intentionally deceiving customers to make a sale on a £12k bike in the wrong size because you don't have the correct one in stock, for example.

    So rather than suggest that the OP, the bike shop and anyone who disagrees with you of being "stupid", perhaps consider that the 55 just felt better?
    Look, I know you're milemuncher's new 'best friend' n all that, but bikes are nearly always sent out of the factory with full stack stems - so offering that as proof that milemuncher/brundonbtwin is correct is a bit silly.
  • brundonbianchi
    brundonbianchi Posts: 689
    edited August 2020
    imposter2.0 said:

    brundonbianchi said:

    imposter2.0 said:

    Seat post and stem both at maximum extension suggests otherwise...

    The seatpost is ( but that’s how I like it, and is the same for all my bikes) the stem isn’t. Like I said it’s very easy to adjust the stem, and I do, depending on what sort of ride I’m doing.
    You adjust your position 'depending on what kind of ride you're doing'..?? DO you not think that's a bit stupid?
    No, if I want to really wring it’s neck, over 40 or 50 miles I’ll set it up so I can go fully head down backside up, but that’s not comfy enough on a 150 odd mile ‘leisure’ ride, so having the easy adjustability is a real bonus.

  • brundonbianchi
    brundonbianchi Posts: 689
    edited August 2020
    imposter2.0 said:

    brundonbianchi said:

    mrb123 said:

    brundonbianchi said:

    pblakeney said:

    brundonbianchi said:

    I’m 5 ft 11 with a 32 inch inseam, which makes it an absolute pain finding this sort of bike that fits properly...

    You do realise that these are distinctly average dimensions?
    Absolutely, and right in the ‘medium’ ball park, for most bikes. However, these hardcore aero race bikes have a more ‘compact’ geometry than most standard road bikes, hence the usefulness of more incremental size choice from Bianchi. It makes life a lot easier.

    In what way is the Bianchi size choice "more incremental"?

    As far as I can see they have just chosen to use odd numbers rather than evens.
    There’s a 53, 55 and 57 cm choice, at the ‘medium’ size point, a lot of other manufacturers just have a 54 and 56 choice at the ‘medium’ point. Having the two ‘book ends moved by a centimetre, means there’s space for one in the middle. Fortunately that works for me, and given it’s my bike, that’s a good thing. I know Bianchi do it, I’m fairly sure Pinarello do as well. Giant are interesting as well, they have an M and an M/L. I’m right in between the two, and I prefer the M to the M/L.
    There's a 1cm TT difference and a 1.5cm HT difference between the Oltre 55 and 57. Given the way you have the 55 stem and seatpost at full extension, you would almost certainly have been better off on the 57. I suspect the real answer is that you either dismissed the 57 without properly considering it, or that Sigmasport didn't have it in stock when you had the money to spend...
    Nope, I tried the 55 and 57, I found the 55 was far more ‘chuck able’ which I like. Some people would call it more ‘twitchy’ but I prefer ‘twitchy’. The stem isn’t at full extension, there’s another 3mm spacer, which I’ve removed when I’ve taken the photos Ive put up.

  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,207
    I wish I was knowledgeable enough to correctly size a bike from an avatar without even needing to measure the rider.
  • mpatts
    mpatts Posts: 1,010
    As an aside to all of this, I chose my bike mainly because its a nice colour.
    Insert bike here:
  • imposter2.0
    imposter2.0 Posts: 12,028
    brundonbianchi said:

    imposter2.0 said:

    brundonbianchi said:

    imposter2.0 said:

    Seat post and stem both at maximum extension suggests otherwise...

    The seatpost is ( but that’s how I like it, and is the same for all my bikes) the stem isn’t. Like I said it’s very easy to adjust the stem, and I do, depending on what sort of ride I’m doing.
    You adjust your position 'depending on what kind of ride you're doing'..?? DO you not think that's a bit stupid?
    No, if I want to really wring it’s neck, over 40 or 50 miles I’ll set it up so I can go fully head down backside up, but that’s not comfy enough on a 150 odd mile ‘leisure’ ride, so having the easy adjustability is a real bonus.

    Got to say, that's the first time I've ever, ever heard of anyone altering the position on their regular ride, just because they happen to be riding a different distance. I think you're making this up as you go along, which given your appalling and embarrassing history on these forums, is entirely plausible and highly likely.
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,166
    Wouldn't you adjust your hand position?
  • thegreatdivide
    thegreatdivide Posts: 5,807
    This has got be milemuncher.
  • imposter2.0
    imposter2.0 Posts: 12,028
    thegreatdivide said:

    This has got be milemuncher.

    It is.
  • imposter2.0
    imposter2.0 Posts: 12,028
    kingstongraham said:

    Wouldn't you adjust your hand position?

    Hand position can be adjusted by moving them from the tops, to the hoods and to the drops - or anywhere else in between. I don't know anyone who seriously alters their stem height depending on what kind of ride they are doing.
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,207
    imposter2.0 said:

    kingstongraham said:

    Wouldn't you adjust your hand position?

    Hand position can be adjusted by moving them from the tops, to the hoods and to the drops - or anywhere else in between. I don't know anyone who seriously alters their stem height depending on what kind of ride they are doing.
    In fairness, this is actually true.

    Honestly I don't think the frame is too small though because the OP is only an inch taller than me and I'd be toying between the 53 and 55.

    I just don't think that photo shows the actual riding position. I mean, if that's the 55cm frame, how tall would he have to be to reach the pedals?
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,344
    imposter2.0 said:

    kingstongraham said:

    Wouldn't you adjust your hand position?

    Hand position can be adjusted by moving them from the tops, to the hoods and to the drops - or anywhere else in between. I don't know anyone who seriously alters their stem height depending on what kind of ride they are doing.
    You do now, but there's a reason nobody else does it.
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  • gethinceri
    gethinceri Posts: 1,665
    brundonbianchi said:

    gethinceri said:

    pblakeney said:

    brundonbianchi said:

    I’m 5 ft 11 with a 32 inch inseam, which makes it an absolute pain finding this sort of bike that fits properly...

    You do realise that these are distinctly average dimensions?
    I share these dimensions and my Specialissima fits me perfectly, it’s a size 57, the 55 was too small.

    The specialissima is a different frame design,

    I am fully aware of that.
  • brundonbianchi
    brundonbianchi Posts: 689
    edited August 2020
    kingstongraham said:

    Wouldn't you adjust your hand position?

    Yes, but if you can easily adjust something like the stem, it gives you a much greater range of adjustment, than just shuffling about on the bars, it’s kind of the point of the Vision Metron system.
  • brundonbianchi
    brundonbianchi Posts: 689
    mpatts said:

    As an aside to all of this, I chose my bike mainly because its a nice colour.

    Yeah that’s fair.

  • brundonbianchi
    brundonbianchi Posts: 689
    First.Aspect said:



    Honestly I don't think the frame is too small though because the OP is only an inch taller than me and I'd be toying between the 53 and 55.

    I just don't think that photo shows the actual riding position. I mean, if that's the 55cm frame, how tall would he have to be to reach the pedals?

    Spot on. The 53 really was too small, it felt like a child’s bike.

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