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I guess it was only me then who was up in arms at the “clean” version of My Name Is.
I guess those upset about the use of a different Pogues version will also be disappointed that songs from 36 Chambers never get played anymore, not least the very funky second single.0 -
Never liked the Pogues.
Appears to be an unpopular opinion.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Should replace it with "cheap lousy fvcker" and see if it gets played.0
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I mean, call a few of the pro “fagot” lyric lot a c@nt and they get all p!ssy so I don’t get the logic.
Where were you when massive hip hop hits were being butchered by overzealous censors 15 years ago?0 -
Not very long ago the 'C' word was an abosulte no, no, especially anywhere near women, to the point you would certainly expect to get morte than a slap if you used it in the presence of a woman. For many of us, it is still the absolute no, no.rick_chasey said:I mean, call a few of the pro “fagot” lyric lot a c@nt and they get all p!ssy so I don’t get the logic.
Where were you when massive hip hop hits were being butchered by overzealous censors 15 years ago?
Fagots are just tasty meatballs.
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rick_chasey said:
I mean, call a few of the pro “fagot” lyric lot a c@nt and they get all p!ssy so I don’t get the logic.
Where were you when massive hip hop hits were being butchered by overzealous censors 15 years ago?
Not listening to hip hop, that's where I was.
The tracks you mention earlier, 36 Chambers etc, never heard of so not bothered which versions get played.
Would rather cut my ears off than listen to hip hop tbh.3 -
Snowflake?Dorset_Boy said:
Not very long ago the 'C' word was an abosulte no, no, especially anywhere near women, to the point you would certainly expect to get morte than a slap if you used it in the presence of a woman. For many of us, it is still the absolute no, no.rick_chasey said:I mean, call a few of the pro “fagot” lyric lot a c@nt and they get all p!ssy so I don’t get the logic.
Where were you when massive hip hop hits were being butchered by overzealous censors 15 years ago?0 -
Currently playing FGTH Welcome to the Pleasuredome, via Spotify. My goodness (censor friendly version there) it's been a long long time. Bought this album back end of 1984, had just moved to that Lahndahn, living in a flat in Harrow with then girlfriend became mrs, working for one of then big 6 consultancies... Memory triggers all through. Gonna open me a beer and Relax.0
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Yeah ,of course. Nothing to do with showing any respect.Jezyboy said:
Snowflake?Dorset_Boy said:
Not very long ago the 'C' word was an abosulte no, no, especially anywhere near women, to the point you would certainly expect to get morte than a slap if you used it in the presence of a woman. For many of us, it is still the absolute no, no.rick_chasey said:I mean, call a few of the pro “fagot” lyric lot a c@nt and they get all p!ssy so I don’t get the logic.
Where were you when massive hip hop hits were being butchered by overzealous censors 15 years ago?2 -
orraloon said:
Currently playing FGTH Welcome to the Pleasuredome, via Spotify. My goodness (censor friendly version there) it's been a long long time. Bought this album back end of 1984, had just moved to that Lahndahn, living in a flat in Harrow with then girlfriend became mrs, working for one of then big 6 consultancies... Memory triggers all through. Gonna open me a beer and Relax.
I was at uni then, and had the best hifi in the house, so it got a bit pummelled with that, as well as U2 and Simple Minds. Oh, and Stravinsky's Rite of Spring.1 -
I'm of the opinion that people who believe they can buy bicycle performance simply buy spending huge amounts of money on the very latest and hot component's, wheels, frames, lubes, tires, and the like should buy a really, really expensive violin(a Strad) and see how easily they can play it.3
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So it’s about showing respect to women but not to gay men?Dorset_Boy said:
Yeah ,of course. Nothing to do with showing any respect.Jezyboy said:
Snowflake?Dorset_Boy said:
Not very long ago the 'C' word was an abosulte no, no, especially anywhere near women, to the point you would certainly expect to get morte than a slap if you used it in the presence of a woman. For many of us, it is still the absolute no, no.rick_chasey said:I mean, call a few of the pro “fagot” lyric lot a c@nt and they get all p!ssy so I don’t get the logic.
Where were you when massive hip hop hits were being butchered by overzealous censors 15 years ago?
Gotcha.
I just don’t get why people treat the pouges record differently to other records with swear words in.
I’m pretty relaxed about songs about all sorts of awful things - I just don’t expect them to be played uncensored before 9pm. No one else would either.
NY State of Mind is one of the finest and clever records ever written and was a genuine watershed moment in how vast swathes of pop music is written, but I’m not gonna kick off about it not being played at 4pm.0 -
I imagine the faux outrage is because of the change in that it was played before but now isn't.0
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Yeah. Early ‘90s censors never removed the N word from songs, so much so Wu Tang had it in a single title - things change.0
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Even Bianchi’s Bianchi didn’t cost anywhere near the price of a Strad, so that a fairly ridiculous comparison.dennisn said:I'm of the opinion that people who believe they can buy bicycle performance simply buy spending huge amounts of money on the very latest and hot component's, wheels, frames, lubes, tires, and the like should buy a really, really expensive violin(a Strad) and see how easily they can play it.
You seem to resent what other people do with their time and money. I’m not really sure how it effects you.
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Apparently the idea that catching Covid carries some degree of individual responsibility (with a few exceptions of course) was dismissed as bollox in the other thread and therefore qualifies as an unpopular opinion...
I stand by it...left the forum March 20230 -
A stupid opinion is not the same as an unpopular opinion...ugo.santalucia said:Apparently the idea that catching Covid carries some degree of individual responsibility (with a few exceptions of course) was dismissed as bollox in the other thread and therefore qualifies as an unpopular opinion...
I stand by it...0 -
It's not about the price of either. It's about buying either and thinking that by buying something expensive you will, of course, play better and, of course, ride faster and win more. This actually is an unpopular opinion because I've seen 100's of people purchase these things to pretty much zero effect.webboo said:
Even Bianchi’s Bianchi didn’t cost anywhere near the price of a Strad, so that a fairly ridiculous comparison.dennisn said:I'm of the opinion that people who believe they can buy bicycle performance simply buy spending huge amounts of money on the very latest and hot component's, wheels, frames, lubes, tires, and the like should buy a really, really expensive violin(a Strad) and see how easily they can play it.
You seem to resent what other people do with their time and money. I’m not really sure how it effects you.0 -
How can it not be about the price when you then go on to talk about people thinking that buying something expensive they will ride faster?dennisn said:
It's not about the price of either. It's about buying either and thinking that by buying something expensive you will, of course, play better and, of course, ride faster and win more. This actually is an unpopular opinion because I've seen 100's of people purchase these things to pretty much zero effect.webboo said:
Even Bianchi’s Bianchi didn’t cost anywhere near the price of a Strad, so that a fairly ridiculous comparison.dennisn said:I'm of the opinion that people who believe they can buy bicycle performance simply buy spending huge amounts of money on the very latest and hot component's, wheels, frames, lubes, tires, and the like should buy a really, really expensive violin(a Strad) and see how easily they can play it.
You seem to resent what other people do with their time and money. I’m not really sure how it effects you.
It's also incorrect as I'm pretty sure even you would go faster for the same effort on lightweight, aero "superbike" costing £10k than on a supermarket special weighing 15kg with the aerodynamics of a house brick. Whether the improvement justifies the £9900 price difference is the real key.
Likewise, someone with a rudimentary ability to play a musical instrument will get a better sound from a good quality instrument than a poorer quality version. However, just as a top pro riding the supermarket special will beat an all the gear no idea amateur riding the £10k bike a skilled musician will get a better sound out of a cheap instrument than the amateur playing a Stradivarius or Steinway.
Expensive doesn't always equal better of course but better almost always equals more expensive. Ultimately though the biggest difference will always be the ability of the person using the "tool".0 -
In general if you buy your dream violin or bike it will make you feel better and you will play it better and ride faster. Whether buying an expensive violin will lead to you winning races I don’t know.
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Exactly. It's all about talent.Pross said:
How can it not be about the price when you then go on to talk about people thinking that buying something expensive they will ride faster?dennisn said:
It's not about the price of either. It's about buying either and thinking that by buying something expensive you will, of course, play better and, of course, ride faster and win more. This actually is an unpopular opinion because I've seen 100's of people purchase these things to pretty much zero effect.webboo said:
Even Bianchi’s Bianchi didn’t cost anywhere near the price of a Strad, so that a fairly ridiculous comparison.dennisn said:I'm of the opinion that people who believe they can buy bicycle performance simply buy spending huge amounts of money on the very latest and hot component's, wheels, frames, lubes, tires, and the like should buy a really, really expensive violin(a Strad) and see how easily they can play it.
You seem to resent what other people do with their time and money. I’m not really sure how it effects you.
It's also incorrect as I'm pretty sure even you would go faster for the same effort on lightweight, aero "superbike" costing £10k than on a supermarket special weighing 15kg with the aerodynamics of a house brick. Whether the improvement justifies the £9900 price difference is the real key.
Likewise, someone with a rudimentary ability to play a musical instrument will get a better sound from a good quality instrument than a poorer quality version. However, just as a top pro riding the supermarket special will beat an all the gear no idea amateur riding the £10k bike a skilled musician will get a better sound out of a cheap instrument than the amateur playing a Stradivarius or Steinway.
Expensive doesn't always equal better of course but better almost always equals more expensive. Ultimately though the biggest difference will always be the ability of the person using the "tool".0 -
No, that's not what I said. It's mainly about talent but there's no doubt that equipment makes a difference all other things being equal. For example, I ride faster on my one bike than the other for the same effort.dennisn said:
Exactly. It's all about talent.Pross said:
How can it not be about the price when you then go on to talk about people thinking that buying something expensive they will ride faster?dennisn said:
It's not about the price of either. It's about buying either and thinking that by buying something expensive you will, of course, play better and, of course, ride faster and win more. This actually is an unpopular opinion because I've seen 100's of people purchase these things to pretty much zero effect.webboo said:
Even Bianchi’s Bianchi didn’t cost anywhere near the price of a Strad, so that a fairly ridiculous comparison.dennisn said:I'm of the opinion that people who believe they can buy bicycle performance simply buy spending huge amounts of money on the very latest and hot component's, wheels, frames, lubes, tires, and the like should buy a really, really expensive violin(a Strad) and see how easily they can play it.
You seem to resent what other people do with their time and money. I’m not really sure how it effects you.
It's also incorrect as I'm pretty sure even you would go faster for the same effort on lightweight, aero "superbike" costing £10k than on a supermarket special weighing 15kg with the aerodynamics of a house brick. Whether the improvement justifies the £9900 price difference is the real key.
Likewise, someone with a rudimentary ability to play a musical instrument will get a better sound from a good quality instrument than a poorer quality version. However, just as a top pro riding the supermarket special will beat an all the gear no idea amateur riding the £10k bike a skilled musician will get a better sound out of a cheap instrument than the amateur playing a Stradivarius or Steinway.
Expensive doesn't always equal better of course but better almost always equals more expensive. Ultimately though the biggest difference will always be the ability of the person using the "tool".0 -
Sort of agree with you. Buying an expensive bike or fiddle will make you feel better(feed your ego), for a while. UNTIL you realize when someone asks you to play a tune on your Strad that you haven't got the talent. Same thing with bikes. I've seen bunches and bunches show up at club races and triathlon's with the very best stuff available and at best almost all of them were mostly "pack fill" or off the back. The difference is that you must prove you can play the fiddle to be heard by others. If you can't play no one wants to hear it. With cycling you don't have to prove anything to try racing. Your ego will know soon enough that you're not good enough after the first few turns. So, in reality buying a bike for your ego doesn't work either unless you can convince yourself that going from 14th place to 13th in a Cat. 5 crit. is a great thing. Then again there is that small number that know the secret. Keep trying.webboo said:In general if you buy your dream violin or bike it will make you feel better and you will play it better and ride faster. Whether buying an expensive violin will lead to you winning races I don’t know.
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I don't think is anyone who isn't am elite athlete is under any illusion that an expensive bike will make them meaningfully faster.
If people want to ride expensive bikes because it puts a smile on their face then why not?
Who cares if rich, pack fodder go to races and don't win?
What *should* they spend their money on in your eyes? Fancy calculators, pens and dental instruments? Multiple homes? Rolex watches?0 -
Too popular.ugo.santalucia said:Apparently the idea that catching Covid carries some degree of individual responsibility (with a few exceptions of course) was dismissed as bollox in the other thread and therefore qualifies as an unpopular opinion...
I stand by it...0 -
I agree that buying it because you can is as good a reason as any.shirley_basso said:I don't think is anyone who isn't am elite athlete is under any illusion that an expensive bike will make them meaningfully faster.
If people want to ride expensive bikes because it puts a smile on their face then why not?
Who cares if rich, pack fodder go to races and don't win?
What *should* they spend their money on in your eyes? Fancy calculators, pens and dental instruments? Multiple homes? Rolex watches?
I do observe a lot of people who have bought into the whole marketing guff really forcing it upon others though as must have.
Triathletes have a large contingent with no cycling knowledge and the prevailing mindset is that you must have a TT bike which I think is really bad (expensive) advice for novice cyclists. I have challenged this thought process a lot and it really doesn’t go down well.
So yes, buy what you like but acknowledge it’s for yourself. Don’t tell everybody else it’s transformed you into an elite to justify your own expenditure.1 -
People buy into marketing but also top of the range stuff just is nicer. It's also the placebo affect and buyer's remorse / confirmation bias.
As for triathlon and kit - I don't think the stereotype is as bad as the reality but I imagine with the bike it probably makes more difference as don't have UCI regs.0 -
That's the difference between you and I. I believe that there are plenty of people under the "...illusion that an expensive bike will make them meaningfully faster.". They are who all the advertising caters to.shirley_basso said:I don't think is anyone who isn't am elite athlete is under any illusion that an expensive bike will make them meaningfully faster.
If people want to ride expensive bikes because it puts a smile on their face then why not?
Who cares if rich, pack fodder go to races and don't win?
What *should* they spend their money on in your eyes? Fancy calculators, pens and dental instruments? Multiple homes? Rolex watches?
I could care less what people buy. I'm just voicing my opinion in the Unpopular Opinion section. To me, that's why people buy these things. The hope.
"...pack fodder go to races and don't win." Happens all the time. That's the way it's always been.
If riding an expensive bike slowly or playing a high end fiddle poorly puts a smile on your face, so be it. Not a problem with me.
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When I used to do triathlons. In one season suddenly there were trispoke and disc wheels, wet suits that had thicker rubber on front which kept you higher in the water and therefore faster. Suddenly people I used to beat by 5 to 10 minutes were beating me and all for a £500 package you could get from one of the shops, wetsuit and wheels.
I did the races I had entered for year, then went back to being a rock climber. So you can buy performance, ok it won’t get you a rainbow jumper but you will be better than before at least on paper.1 -
Next year will be mental for road cycling as everyone has become a machine from all the time on their turbos.
Everyone except me....0
