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Have you considered moving to Scandinavia?ugo.santalucia said:
We do that, but I still think we would be better off if we all paid more tax to have a better safety net, better services, better education, better police, better prisons and rehabilitation services, better jobs centres etc... rather than squirrelling more money away to build a higher fence to keep the burglars away...coopster_the_1st said:
Pay more into your pension then and take responsibility for your own old age. That way you control it and everyone benefits in the long term. You also get some tax back to pay more money inugo.santalucia said:
NO, quite a bit more.surrey_commuter said:Based upon your threshold I am guessing you earn £39,000.
I want to pay more tax, I don't want to donate to charities, I trust governments... even this government... I might not always agree with all they do, but I trust them. They have built hospitals in record times, built up testing capacity from 10K to 200K in a couple of months and sourced medical equipment in very difficult times. Not sure what charities do, there is a lot less scrutiny on their activities.0 -
Many times...Pross said:
Have you considered moving to Scandinavia?
The opportunity never arose... At my age you don't just pack your bags and move to another country... you need a job there first.
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Who says he shouldn't? Of course he will... he'll get better GCSE and in turn better A levels and maybe a place at Oxford and consequently a higher paid job. The rewards are going to be massive.coopster_the_1st said:
There are different ways of working hard all the way through life.
The 14yo who stays home and does his homework rather than going to the park to play football with his mates is working harder. Why should he not benefit from these sacrifices?
However, I am more concerned about the other boy, who hasn't even got a desk, let alone a laptop to stay in touch with distance learning. Probably lives in a crammed house where doing homework is not even an option...
It's not even a question of doing this rather than that, when you have no choice.
You seem to think that if you don't achieve in school is because you are lazy...
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You're starting to convince me Ugo... How do I vote for youugo.santalucia said:
It's an unpopular opinion... working hard is indeed a myth... those who have tried working hard for real, know what I mean...shortfall said:This is just trolling. I'm out.
Try working as a chef in a busy restaurant and then you'll change your mind about what "working hard" actually means
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Ha ha...ddraver said:
You're starting to convince me Ugo... How do I vote for youugo.santalucia said:
It's an unpopular opinion... working hard is indeed a myth... those who have tried working hard for real, know what I mean...shortfall said:This is just trolling. I'm out.
Try working as a chef in a busy restaurant and then you'll change your mind about what "working hard" actually means
Honestly, I don't understand why these ideas are unpopular. I am the last who should feel this way.... I have no kids and no UK passport, so if the country goes to the dogs for the younger generations, I can either leave or ignore the all matter and continue to cycle.
I can't understand how someone with a family doesn't want to invest in good education for all and services to make a better society for the future generations... I just don't get it.left the forum March 20230 -
No, I highlighted another scenario where hard work pays off.ugo.santalucia said:
Who says he shouldn't? Of course he will... he'll get better GCSE and in turn better A levels and maybe a place at Oxford and consequently a higher paid job. The rewards are going to be massive.coopster_the_1st said:
There are different ways of working hard all the way through life.
The 14yo who stays home and does his homework rather than going to the park to play football with his mates is working harder. Why should he not benefit from these sacrifices?
However, I am more concerned about the other boy, who hasn't even got a desk, let alone a laptop to stay in touch with distance learning. Probably lives in a crammed house where doing homework is not even an option...
It's not even a question of doing this rather than that, when you have no choice.
You seem to think that if you don't achieve in school is because you are lazy...
Overall, there is a high correlation between working hard at school and/or later in life and achieving a better quality of life.
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My wife just got home for lunch from temporarily working in a new medical surgery as they are "swamped". It is a holiday camp as far as she is concerned.
I imagine that is the kind of thing Ugo was on about. People's definitions of hard work vary.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
What if the kid who spent all his time doing homework was spending it on his history of art homework and the kid who slacked off to play with his mates was developing social skills.
My unpopular opinion on this would be that the fetishism around hard work is unhelpful.
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We have the perfect demonstration on here what damage a studying history to degree does. Gives said person an over-inflated sense of superiority while knowing little about anything elseJeremy.89 said:What if the kid who spent all his time doing homework was spending it on his history of art homework and the kid who slacked off to play with his mates was developing social skills.
My unpopular opinion on this would be that the fetishism around hard work is unhelpful. 2 -
No idea what you're on about? Please explain.rick_chasey said:"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
I can think of a lot of well paid lines of work where they barely do anything but convince themselves they "work hard"... ever seen an estate agent? What do they do? They sit in a shop, pretending to do things on a computer (maybe uploading 3 properties on Zoopla in a day? I struggle to see them pressing more than a dozen keys per hour), then they drive out for a couple of appointments to show a property... some do it in high heels, so it can't be that taxing.... then they make a phone call or two... yet, they do work hard!pblakeney said:My wife just got home for lunch from temporarily working in a new medical surgery as they are "swamped". It is a holiday camp as far as she is concerned.
I imagine that is the kind of thing Ugo was on about. People's definitions of hard work vary.
Is a private accountant working hard? My wife could never get hold of hers... never... not once she answered the phone... always call back a couple of days later... too busy? Working too hard or maybe taking full advantage of the work from home scenario...
In my experience, the harder you work, the less you earn and less likely you are to tell people how hard you work.... there are exceptions of course... the Supervet on TV seems to clock pretty long hours and I am sure he earns a pretty penny
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Does only physical work = hard work then, and mental work can never equate to hard work, Ugo?0
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Yeah it can... not many such jobs though... maybe those traders in London you see with 4 screens full of market figures and 7 phone lines... clocking 60-70 hours a week... that looks hard, I can see why they would want to squash the poor and have more cash flow to buy bigger cars and villas.Dorset_Boy said:Does only physical work = hard work then, and mental work can never equate to hard work, Ugo?
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So Ugo's advice to the youngster with no desk is to not bother his ar5e working hard. as it's a mug's game.ugo.santalucia said:
Who says he shouldn't? Of course he will... he'll get better GCSE and in turn better A levels and maybe a place at Oxford and consequently a higher paid job. The rewards are going to be massive.coopster_the_1st said:
There are different ways of working hard all the way through life.
The 14yo who stays home and does his homework rather than going to the park to play football with his mates is working harder. Why should he not benefit from these sacrifices?
However, I am more concerned about the other boy, who hasn't even got a desk, let alone a laptop to stay in touch with distance learning. Probably lives in a crammed house where doing homework is not even an option...
It's not even a question of doing this rather than that, when you have no choice.
You seem to think that if you don't achieve in school is because you are lazy...
Yeah, way to go.
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Another useful contribution... you are on fire!ballysmate said:
So Ugo's advice to the youngster with no desk is to not bother his ar5e working hard. as it's a mug's game.
Yeah, way to go.
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There lies the slippery road to socialism - why work harder because someone else will pay the taxes to make up the shortfall. Except that when enough people take the same approach, it doesn't work.ballysmate said:
So Ugo's advice to the youngster with no desk is to not bother his ar5e working hard. as it's a mug's game.ugo.santalucia said:
Who says he shouldn't? Of course he will... he'll get better GCSE and in turn better A levels and maybe a place at Oxford and consequently a higher paid job. The rewards are going to be massive.coopster_the_1st said:
There are different ways of working hard all the way through life.
The 14yo who stays home and does his homework rather than going to the park to play football with his mates is working harder. Why should he not benefit from these sacrifices?
However, I am more concerned about the other boy, who hasn't even got a desk, let alone a laptop to stay in touch with distance learning. Probably lives in a crammed house where doing homework is not even an option...
It's not even a question of doing this rather than that, when you have no choice.
You seem to think that if you don't achieve in school is because you are lazy...
Yeah, way to go.
You need to encourage hard working wage slaves, not put them off..."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
From my experience of two decades of working for people who earn good money, I would say there is no reliable correlation.ugo.santalucia said:
People who earn good money are typically too smart to actually work hard... we'll suffer no hardship by handing some over to help the less fortunate.coopster_the_1st said:
All your original unpopular suggestion is doing is further reducing the reward of working hard and risk taking.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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Lack of motivation must have been why it was Russians that got to space first!Stevo_666 said:
There lies the slippery road to socialism - why work harder because someone else will pay the taxes to make up the shortfall. Except that when enough people take the same approach, it doesn't work.ballysmate said:
So Ugo's advice to the youngster with no desk is to not bother his ar5e working hard. as it's a mug's game.ugo.santalucia said:
Who says he shouldn't? Of course he will... he'll get better GCSE and in turn better A levels and maybe a place at Oxford and consequently a higher paid job. The rewards are going to be massive.coopster_the_1st said:
There are different ways of working hard all the way through life.
The 14yo who stays home and does his homework rather than going to the park to play football with his mates is working harder. Why should he not benefit from these sacrifices?
However, I am more concerned about the other boy, who hasn't even got a desk, let alone a laptop to stay in touch with distance learning. Probably lives in a crammed house where doing homework is not even an option...
It's not even a question of doing this rather than that, when you have no choice.
You seem to think that if you don't achieve in school is because you are lazy...
Yeah, way to go.
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No... according to the internet wisdom it was because the Russians used pencils and the Americans had to invent gravity-less proof ball pens...Jeremy.89 said:
Lack of motivation must have been why it was Russians that got to space first!Stevo_666 said:
There lies the slippery road to socialism - why work harder because someone else will pay the taxes to make up the shortfall. Except that when enough people take the same approach, it doesn't work.ballysmate said:
So Ugo's advice to the youngster with no desk is to not bother his ar5e working hard. as it's a mug's game.ugo.santalucia said:
Who says he shouldn't? Of course he will... he'll get better GCSE and in turn better A levels and maybe a place at Oxford and consequently a higher paid job. The rewards are going to be massive.coopster_the_1st said:
There are different ways of working hard all the way through life.
The 14yo who stays home and does his homework rather than going to the park to play football with his mates is working harder. Why should he not benefit from these sacrifices?
However, I am more concerned about the other boy, who hasn't even got a desk, let alone a laptop to stay in touch with distance learning. Probably lives in a crammed house where doing homework is not even an option...
It's not even a question of doing this rather than that, when you have no choice.
You seem to think that if you don't achieve in school is because you are lazy...
Yeah, way to go.
You need to encourage hard working wage slaves, not put them off...
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I'm not 100% convinced that the cold war space race between Russia and the US is a good parallel with an individuals job and career related motivation.Jeremy.89 said:
Lack of motivation must have been why it was Russians that got to space first!Stevo_666 said:
There lies the slippery road to socialism - why work harder because someone else will pay the taxes to make up the shortfall. Except that when enough people take the same approach, it doesn't work.ballysmate said:
So Ugo's advice to the youngster with no desk is to not bother his ar5e working hard. as it's a mug's game.ugo.santalucia said:
Who says he shouldn't? Of course he will... he'll get better GCSE and in turn better A levels and maybe a place at Oxford and consequently a higher paid job. The rewards are going to be massive.coopster_the_1st said:
There are different ways of working hard all the way through life.
The 14yo who stays home and does his homework rather than going to the park to play football with his mates is working harder. Why should he not benefit from these sacrifices?
However, I am more concerned about the other boy, who hasn't even got a desk, let alone a laptop to stay in touch with distance learning. Probably lives in a crammed house where doing homework is not even an option...
It's not even a question of doing this rather than that, when you have no choice.
You seem to think that if you don't achieve in school is because you are lazy...
Yeah, way to go.
You need to encourage hard working wage slaves, not put them off..."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Maybe they work smarter not harder?rjsterry said:
From my experience of two decades of working for people who earn good money, I would say there is no reliable correlation.ugo.santalucia said:
People who earn good money are typically too smart to actually work hard... we'll suffer no hardship by handing some over to help the less fortunate.coopster_the_1st said:
All your original unpopular suggestion is doing is further reducing the reward of working hard and risk taking."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Back on topic of the thread:
Ugo and Rick are proving foreigners imported are not of the high quality that those who support the EU's Freedom of Movement have lead us to believe.-2 -
As well as you earning quite a bit more than £40k, you are obviously blessed with much more smarts than me.ugo.santalucia said:
Another useful contribution... you are on fire!ballysmate said:
So Ugo's advice to the youngster with no desk is to not bother his ar5e working hard. as it's a mug's game.
Yeah, way to go.
I am so not worthy.
Either that, or you are coming across a complete tool in the last few pages.
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Do I win a prize for getting a flag?0
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These flags seem to be more contagious than Covid-19ballysmate said:Do I win a prize for getting a flag?
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Maybe you were flagged because you went off topic and posted a popular opinion?ballysmate said:Do I win a prize for getting a flag?
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]1 -
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Maybe you were flagged because you went off topic and posted a popular opinion?ballysmate said:Do I win a prize for getting a flag?
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If you get a flag for that, Coopster's house must look like the UN. 0
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Well it wouldn't be like the EU, because that has a decreasing number of flags.kingstongraham said:If you get a flag for that, Coopster's house must look like the UN.
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