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Well hang on. Are we talking about the UK here? Do you consider us to be a rich society?TheBigBean said:
That wouldn't lead to a rich society.shortfall said:
Just give it all away then, it's not difficult.TheBigBean said:I agree with ugo on this. I can't see the point of being wealthy in a poor society.
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We do that, but I still think we would be better off if we all paid more tax to have a better safety net, better services, better education, better police, better prisons and rehabilitation services, better jobs centres etc... rather than squirrelling more money away to build a higher fence to keep the burglars away...coopster_the_1st said:
Pay more into your pension then and take responsibility for your own old age. That way you control it and everyone benefits in the long term. You also get some tax back to pay more money inugo.santalucia said:
NO, quite a bit more.surrey_commuter said:Based upon your threshold I am guessing you earn £39,000.
I want to pay more tax, I don't want to donate to charities, I trust governments... even this government... I might not always agree with all they do, but I trust them. They have built hospitals in record times, built up testing capacity from 10K to 200K in a couple of months and sourced medical equipment in very difficult times. Not sure what charities do, there is a lot less scrutiny on their activities.
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I always thought it was more self depreciating than snobby or jealous.TheBigBean said:
Is this jealousy or a bit of snobbery? (I know it is supposed to be funny)rick_chasey said:Which reminds me:
https://youtu.be/eKFjWR7X5dU
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It's a society with deep contrasts. I can drive 10 minutes to north Coventry and I am in another world... not the Warwickshire you have in mind when you think of the Heart of England. Deprivation, poor schooling... no opportunities for teenagers...shortfall said:
Well hang on. Are we talking about the UK here? Do you consider us to be a rich society?TheBigBean said:
That wouldn't lead to a rich society.shortfall said:
Just give it all away then, it's not difficult.TheBigBean said:I agree with ugo on this. I can't see the point of being wealthy in a poor society.
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You are building up your own safety net so that you will be less of a drain on the services, which at old age are likely going to be scarce care services. These services can then be redistributed to those who most need them.ugo.santalucia said:
We do that, but I still think we would be better off if we all paid more tax to have a better safety net, better services, better education, better police, better prisons and rehabilitation services, better jobs centres etc... rather than squirrelling more money away to build a higher fence to keep the burglars away...coopster_the_1st said:
Pay more into your pension then and take responsibility for your own old age. That way you control it and everyone benefits in the long term. You also get some tax back to pay more money inugo.santalucia said:
NO, quite a bit more.surrey_commuter said:Based upon your threshold I am guessing you earn £39,000.
I want to pay more tax, I don't want to donate to charities, I trust governments... even this government... I might not always agree with all they do, but I trust them. They have built hospitals in record times, built up testing capacity from 10K to 200K in a couple of months and sourced medical equipment in very difficult times. Not sure what charities do, there is a lot less scrutiny on their activities.
All your original unpopular suggestion is doing is further reducing the reward of working hard and risk taking. We should be encouraging hard work and earning more. In the carrot and stick approach, you are using the stick while I am using the carrot0 -
The thread appears to have developed into a love in for people who want socialism.2
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I'm 20 minutes from Bradford where Ive worked most of my adult life so I know about depravation. I think the arguments about the route to a more equal society are well rehearsed and the country rejected the sort of vision you seem to be in favour of at the last general election. In the mean time before another socialist government is elected if you are embarrassed by the amount of money you're earning then there are plenty of routes open to you to give it away to your favoured causes. Having said that I am pretty certain that Rishi Sunak will be dreaming up inventive ways to gouge us all as we speak so we will all get to enjoy the benefits of handing over more of our hard earned sooner than you think.ugo.santalucia said:
It's a society with deep contrasts. I can drive 10 minutes to north Coventry and I am in another world... not the Warwickshire you have in mind when you think of the Heart of England. Deprivation, poor schooling... no opportunities for teenagers...shortfall said:
Well hang on. Are we talking about the UK here? Do you consider us to be a rich society?TheBigBean said:
That wouldn't lead to a rich society.shortfall said:
Just give it all away then, it's not difficult.TheBigBean said:I agree with ugo on this. I can't see the point of being wealthy in a poor society.
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People who earn good money are typically too smart to actually work hard... we'll suffer no hardship by handing some over to help the less fortunate.coopster_the_1st said:
All your original unpopular suggestion is doing is further reducing the reward of working hard and risk taking.
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It's possible to balance a reward for working hard with giving every child a reasonable chance in life.coopster_the_1st said:
You are building up your own safety net so that you will be less of a drain on the services, which at old age are likely going to be scarce care services. These services can then be redistributed to those who most need them.ugo.santalucia said:
We do that, but I still think we would be better off if we all paid more tax to have a better safety net, better services, better education, better police, better prisons and rehabilitation services, better jobs centres etc... rather than squirrelling more money away to build a higher fence to keep the burglars away...coopster_the_1st said:
Pay more into your pension then and take responsibility for your own old age. That way you control it and everyone benefits in the long term. You also get some tax back to pay more money inugo.santalucia said:
NO, quite a bit more.surrey_commuter said:Based upon your threshold I am guessing you earn £39,000.
I want to pay more tax, I don't want to donate to charities, I trust governments... even this government... I might not always agree with all they do, but I trust them. They have built hospitals in record times, built up testing capacity from 10K to 200K in a couple of months and sourced medical equipment in very difficult times. Not sure what charities do, there is a lot less scrutiny on their activities.
All your original unpopular suggestion is doing is further reducing the reward of working hard and risk taking. We should be encouraging hard work and earning more. In the carrot and stick approach, you are using the stick while I am using the carrot0 -
Ffs!!!!!! Well I suppose you're in the right thread.ugo.santalucia said:
People who earn good money are typically too smart to actually work hard... we'll suffer no hardship by handing some over to help the less fortunate.coopster_the_1st said:
All your original unpopular suggestion is doing is further reducing the reward of working hard and risk taking.1 -
Look, in my formative years I spent a summer working in a restaurant kitchen. We easily clocked 70 hour weeks and I got what now you would call minimum wage. That was hard earned money and at the time if I could have avoided paying tax on it, I would have gladly done so.shortfall said:
Ffs!!!!!! Well I suppose you're in the right thread.ugo.santalucia said:
People who earn good money are typically too smart to actually work hard... we'll suffer no hardship by handing some over to help the less fortunate.coopster_the_1st said:
All your original unpopular suggestion is doing is further reducing the reward of working hard and risk taking.
Things have changed... now I work 36.5 hour weeks, with a lot of flexibility, I can work from home a lot, I can take 30 days of annual leave and of course there are other forms of full paid leave. If I get sick, I get full pay for up to 6 months, then the employer needs to find a way to accommodate my needs if they still exist...
I am aware some in my position would call this "working hard", but it isn't really... it's working smart... I won't break my back and I won't even get high blood pressure because of it.
Here's another for the thread "working hard is a myth"
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This is just trolling. I'm out.0
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We already do, thanks. Well some of us anyway.ugo.santalucia said:
People who earn good money are typically too smart to actually work hard... we'll suffer no hardship by handing some over to help the less fortunate.coopster_the_1st said:
All your original unpopular suggestion is doing is further reducing the reward of working hard and risk taking."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
It's an unpopular opinion... working hard is indeed a myth... those who have tried working hard for real, know what I mean...shortfall said:This is just trolling. I'm out.
Try working as a chef in a busy restaurant and then you'll change your mind about what "working hard" actually means
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If these teenagers are just 10 minutes away from you, why do they have no opportunities? Are they incapable of travelling 10, 20, 30, 40 minutes to find opportunities, as your post seems to suggest there may be opportunities where you are?ugo.santalucia said:
It's a society with deep contrasts. I can drive 10 minutes to north Coventry and I am in another world... not the Warwickshire you have in mind when you think of the Heart of England. Deprivation, poor schooling... no opportunities for teenagers...shortfall said:
Well hang on. Are we talking about the UK here? Do you consider us to be a rich society?TheBigBean said:
That wouldn't lead to a rich society.shortfall said:
Just give it all away then, it's not difficult.TheBigBean said:I agree with ugo on this. I can't see the point of being wealthy in a poor society.
It's akin to the constantly looking backwards and then wondering why you never move forwards attitude of some.0 -
Mate you haven't got a clue about what I've done and where I've worked and if you did you wouldn't be trolling me like this. I used to have respect for your opinions on here even if I didn't always agree with you but I'm afraid your latest contributions are changing my mind.ugo.santalucia said:
It's an unpopular opinion... working hard is indeed a myth... those who have tried working hard for real, know what I mean...shortfall said:This is just trolling. I'm out.
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You seem to think that tough, physical work is the only kind of hard work.ugo.santalucia said:
It's an unpopular opinion... working hard is indeed a myth... those who have tried working hard for real, know what I mean...shortfall said:This is just trolling. I'm out.
Try working as a chef in a busy restaurant and then you'll change your mind about what "working hard" actually means0 -
Postcode.Dorset_Boy said:
If these teenagers are just 10 minutes away from you, why do they have no opportunities? Are they incapable of travelling 10, 20, 30, 40 minutes to find opportunities, as your post seems to suggest there may be opportunities where you are?
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They don't get access to the good and outstanding schools, they don't get the A levels, they don't go to uni.
At the same time, their role models are not doing particularly well either. The ones with smarter parents will probably get a job in construction, the others will be doomed to a life of benefits and/or crime
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So your argument is working hard is a myth, because chiefs work hard?ugo.santalucia said:
It's an unpopular opinion... working hard is indeed a myth... those who have tried working hard for real, know what I mean...shortfall said:This is just trolling. I'm out.
Try working as a chef in a busy restaurant and then you'll change your mind about what "working hard" actually means
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I know that it certainly used to be the case in Glasgow that someone from one scheme couldn't go through another scheme without being attacked. No idea if it's the case in Coventry. Also, in the West of Scotland, once you get that knife scar on your face, you're not going to get many opportunities.Dorset_Boy said:
If these teenagers are just 10 minutes away from you, why do they have no opportunities? Are they incapable of travelling 10, 20, 30, 40 minutes to find opportunities, as your post seems to suggest there may be opportunities where you are?ugo.santalucia said:
It's a society with deep contrasts. I can drive 10 minutes to north Coventry and I am in another world... not the Warwickshire you have in mind when you think of the Heart of England. Deprivation, poor schooling... no opportunities for teenagers...shortfall said:
Well hang on. Are we talking about the UK here? Do you consider us to be a rich society?TheBigBean said:
That wouldn't lead to a rich society.shortfall said:
Just give it all away then, it's not difficult.TheBigBean said:I agree with ugo on this. I can't see the point of being wealthy in a poor society.
It's akin to the constantly looking backwards and then wondering why you never move forwards attitude of some.
I've always thought that there are smart people who'll be a success no matter what background they're from whereas a lot of people could go either way depending on circumstances. There were people at my school who probably would have ended up in jail if brought up in a different area.0 -
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You will never make the poor richer by making the wealthier poorer.ugo.santalucia said:
People who earn good money are typically too smart to actually work hard... we'll suffer no hardship by handing some over to help the less fortunate.coopster_the_1st said:
All your original unpopular suggestion is doing is further reducing the reward of working hard and risk taking.
Never has there been such a truer statement regarding your view of taxation.0 -
My argument is that "working hard" is a cliche', often used as a line of defence, because you lack confidence in what you produce.Jeremy.89 said:
So your argument is working hard is a myth, because chiefs work hard?
I have tried working hard, decided that it's not humane and never done it again.
There are still some jobs around where working hard is expected, but more often than not this is an abuse of the law by the employer.
If you stick to the law, working hard should be a thing of the past.
Here's a thought, maybe if we paid more tax, NHS staff wouldn't have to be branded as "heroes" and could actually work shorter hours and more safely... how about that?
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There are different ways of working hard all the way through life.ugo.santalucia said:
It's an unpopular opinion... working hard is indeed a myth... those who have tried working hard for real, know what I mean...shortfall said:This is just trolling. I'm out.
Try working as a chef in a busy restaurant and then you'll change your mind about what "working hard" actually means
The 14yo who stays home and does his homework rather than going to the park to play football with his mates is working harder. Why should he not benefit from these sacrifices?
The safety being too high discourages all types of hard work. A good example is the 16 hour cap for people on benefits.0 -
If the NHS was run anything close to efficiently, there would be enough money in the pot already to achieve that.ugo.santalucia said:
My argument is that "working hard" is a cliche', often used as a line of defence, because you lack confidence in what you produce.Jeremy.89 said:
So your argument is working hard is a myth, because chiefs work hard?
I have tried working hard, decided that it's not humane and never done it again.
There are still some jobs around where working hard is expected, but more often than not this is an abuse of the law by the employer.
If you stick to the law, working hard should be a thing of the past.
Here's a thought, maybe if we paid more tax, NHS staff wouldn't have to be branded as "heroes" and could actually work shorter hours and more safely... how about that?0 -
Atlas Society, hmmm?0
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Go ahead, pay more tax yourself and lead by example then.ugo.santalucia said:
My argument is that "working hard" is a cliche', often used as a line of defence, because you lack confidence in what you produce.Jeremy.89 said:
So your argument is working hard is a myth, because chiefs work hard?
I have tried working hard, decided that it's not humane and never done it again.
There are still some jobs around where working hard is expected, but more often than not this is an abuse of the law by the employer.
If you stick to the law, working hard should be a thing of the past.
Here's a thought, maybe if we paid more tax, NHS staff wouldn't have to be branded as "heroes" and could actually work shorter hours and more safely... how about that?"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]1
