Isolated? Bored? These are some of the races you should re-watch...

rick_chasey
rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
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Figured since there is no more procycling for the foreseeable future, why not take an opportunity to catch up on some of the all-time classic races from the past.

For added fun, you can even watch them real-time at the time the 2020 equivalent was scheduled.

Let's start with Milan-San Remo which was this weekend. Imma put down the 2013 edition, though perhaps in current conditions the bleak nature of the weather may be off putting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoIDcR0UiN8

He's all 2hrs 45 minutes of it. Turn it on at 13:30 on Saturday and enjoy.
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  • redvision
    redvision Posts: 2,958
    Great thread Rick. I have looked forward to the classics for months and to have then wiped out is gutting. At least reruns can fill the void a little.

    Tiz cycling is also great for cycling videos.
    https://tiz-cycling.io/home/
  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,722
    I have already been thinking along the same lines and started to compile editions of key cobbled races and for later, the Giro.
    So far I have stuck to the Tube as I find that Tiz can be....................problematical.

    Yesterday, I watched the Phil and Paul productions of the 1997 and 98 editions of Het Volk.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0OMdBQdQ9U


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xq-MVTaRSlY&t=419s
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  • No_Ta_Doctor
    No_Ta_Doctor Posts: 14,646
    NO SPOILERS PLEASE!

    Some of us have barely working memory of breakfast, let alone races from decades ago. We can watch these and pretend it's this season :-D
    Warning No formatter is installed for the format
  • sherer
    sherer Posts: 2,460
    ive only just finished watching La Vuelta from last year.
  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,722
    No_Ta_Doctor said:

    NO SPOILERS PLEASE!

    Some of us have barely working memory of breakfast, let alone races from decades ago. We can watch these and pretend it's this season :-D


    Fill your boots.

    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCnc6t2N9R_6eu5tieEe0-lw/videos

    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvdk8NYS7ItskDJhoTzG0Iw/videos

    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4VuEss6r29YWdXa1Y4A83g/videos

    https://www.youtube.com/user/worldcyclingarchives/videos

    https://www.youtube.com/user/SuccessCycling/videos
    "Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.
  • sherer
    sherer Posts: 2,460
    seems Eurosport have come up with the same thought.

    I might cancel my Sky Sports for a month as it's just going to be repeat after repeat at the moment
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,877
    There is another thread on this which I can't find, but which are the best classics from the 90s and 2000s?
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Anyone got any improvements or alternative suggestions for this week's Milan San-Remo?
    _
  • drhaggis
    drhaggis Posts: 1,150
    How can you improve on MSR???!!!!???
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    No I meant my 2013 suggestion...
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  • jct1993
    jct1993 Posts: 9
    2015 Gent Wevelgem is a corker

    2013 Flanders and Roubaix worth a revisit too

    2013 TDF stage 5 and 2013 stage 13 I think are both excellent and the spoiler threads were incredible that year too
  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,722
    jct1993 said:

    2015 Gent Wevelgem is a corker




    Simply the best way to spend an afternoon in isolation..................without Kirby and with Sporza.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBSmb1Qul8E
    "Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.
  • ocdupalais
    ocdupalais Posts: 4,317
    Ah, happy days... when your only worry was Filthy Luca attacking in the feed zone with 63km to go...
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,691
    Any of you oldies got any 90s to early 20s classics suggestions. Such things were before my time and so I could do with the education.
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • ocdupalais
    ocdupalais Posts: 4,317
    That young Welsh lad Thomas could do good things. He was so strong in the last 20km he dropped that big Quick Step bloke who couldn't hold his wheel! I reckon he needs to leave Team Sky, though, to be a serious Classics contender. He's wasting his time there.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    edited March 2020
    ddraver said:

    Any of you oldies got any 90s to early 20s classics suggestions. Such things were before my time and so I could do with the education.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yZAJDeeMZA

    One to enjoy in April, not march.

    When the gears were big and the blood was thick.
    _
  • andyrr
    andyrr Posts: 1,823
    I've returned to this a few times - not a full stage but great seeing riders going at each other hammer and tongs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cgL4xWgkkc
    2010 Dauphine Alpe d'Huez
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,461
    ocdupalais said:

    That young Welsh lad Thomas could do good things. He was so strong in the last 20km he dropped that big Quick Step bloke who couldn't hold his wheel! I reckon he needs to leave Team Sky, though, to be a serious Classics contender. He's wasting his time there.

    We should watch the old races whole reading through the spoiler threads on here to see how badly we got things wrong. The above sentiments being a classic of its time.
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,252
    andyrr said:

    I've returned to this a few times - not a full stage but great seeing riders going at each other hammer and tongs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cgL4xWgkkc
    2010 Dauphine Alpe d'Huez


    This illustrates my opinion of Contador quite well. I always thought that his attacking was overrated. Very flash and showy, but usually made no impact.

    As a defensive rider though, I've seen none better.
    Twitter: @RichN95
  • ocdupalais
    ocdupalais Posts: 4,317
    https://youtu.be/6LZKE1wezGs

    Proper Channel 4 intro followed by a demonstration of pure power and athleticism (by one man; possibly doped) that Team Sky sought to emulate many years later (using 8 men; possibly clean).
    None of this mincing-about-with-twiddly-attacks-then-looking-back, malarky...
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,252
    ocdupalais said:

    https://youtu.be/6LZKE1wezGs

    Proper Channel 4 intro followed by a demonstration of pure power and athleticism (by one man; possibly doped) that Team Sky sought to emulate many years later (using 8 men; possibly clean).
    None of this mincing-about-with-twiddly-attacks-then-looking-back, malarky...


    At the time, coming off a series of great Tours I found the Indurain years boring. But this shows me that the EPO free for all made it quite exciting as no-one knew how much magic potion the others had taken.
    Twitter: @RichN95
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,691
    There hasnt been a climb that broke me quite like La Plagne...
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • daniel_b
    daniel_b Posts: 11,969
    This is a thread I will be watching with interest.

    I trainerroad regularly, (Even more now) and have a eurosport player sub, which means I watch the current races whilst carrying out the workouts.
    I'm watched to Paris-Nice stage 4 this morning with a 90 minute workout, but that will run out soon!

    I do have RGT installed, and they have just opened up all of the subscription options to the free accounts, so that may be an option for a more involved group ride to ease the boredom.
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  • jam1e
    jam1e Posts: 1,068
    edited March 2020
    Pross said:

    ocdupalais said:

    That young Welsh lad Thomas could do good things. He was so strong in the last 20km he dropped that big Quick Step bloke who couldn't hold his wheel! I reckon he needs to leave Team Sky, though, to be a serious Classics contender. He's wasting his time there.

    We should watch the old races whole reading through the spoiler threads on here to see how badly we got things wrong. The above sentiments being a classic of its time.
    After Froome's giro 2018 "turnaround" I've started to enjoy watching the stage whilst re-reading various race/stage threads from random cycling forums about how he was finished, he was going to get dropped by Ellisonde, the attack was never going to work etc etc.

    In every thread you can pinpoint the exact point where the magnitude of what was happening sinks in and the haterz start hating and it is glorious.

    Did we ever get FF's view on the stage?

  • ocdupalais
    ocdupalais Posts: 4,317
    RichN95. said:

    ocdupalais said:

    https://youtu.be/6LZKE1wezGs

    Proper Channel 4 intro followed by a demonstration of pure power and athleticism (by one man; possibly doped) that Team Sky sought to emulate many years later (using 8 men; possibly clean).
    None of this mincing-about-with-twiddly-attacks-then-looking-back, malarky...


    At the time, coming off a series of great Tours I found the Indurain years boring. But this shows me that the EPO free for all made it quite exciting as no-one knew how much magic potion the others had taken.
    RichN95. said:

    ocdupalais said:

    https://youtu.be/6LZKE1wezGs

    Proper Channel 4 intro followed by a demonstration of pure power and athleticism (by one man; possibly doped) that Team Sky sought to emulate many years later (using 8 men; possibly clean).
    None of this mincing-about-with-twiddly-attacks-then-looking-back, malarky...


    At the time, coming off a series of great Tours I found the Indurain years boring. But this shows me that the EPO free for all made it quite exciting as no-one knew how much magic potion the others had taken.
    Yeah, but he fell in the magic potion pot as a baby.

    I completely understand the denouncement of the likes of Indurain (and to some extent Ullrich - and certainly Wiggins) as boring because their style was to crush panache with power: but ultimately, that’s what every champion does by default because they are repeatedly the best in a given era (apart from anything else, the magic potion queered the pitch because the diddy climbers were doing amazing TTs and the burly TTers were climbing like angels...). Quintana won with panache last week: but the “panache” lasted for the 8 seconds for everyone to realise he was on another level. The rest of the climb was about power. It’s very much up to the race organisers/course designers to shake the champs out of the tree by coming up with challenging routes; but I’m not sure they always realised that...
  • ocdupalais
    ocdupalais Posts: 4,317
    edited March 2020
    And then - as has happened in the last 2 seasons, a new crop of young ‘uns pops up to shake the tree... and now we’re potentially robbed of that spectacle for at least most if not all of the season... the only silver lining might be that one of these mutant races that people are proposing actually happens. A mass start week long multi stage Gran Fondo for World Tour pros only - no teams, for example...?
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    ocdupalais said:

    RichN95. said:

    ocdupalais said:

    https://youtu.be/6LZKE1wezGs

    Proper Channel 4 intro followed by a demonstration of pure power and athleticism (by one man; possibly doped) that Team Sky sought to emulate many years later (using 8 men; possibly clean).
    None of this mincing-about-with-twiddly-attacks-then-looking-back, malarky...


    At the time, coming off a series of great Tours I found the Indurain years boring. But this shows me that the EPO free for all made it quite exciting as no-one knew how much magic potion the others had taken.
    RichN95. said:

    ocdupalais said:

    https://youtu.be/6LZKE1wezGs

    Proper Channel 4 intro followed by a demonstration of pure power and athleticism (by one man; possibly doped) that Team Sky sought to emulate many years later (using 8 men; possibly clean).
    None of this mincing-about-with-twiddly-attacks-then-looking-back, malarky...


    At the time, coming off a series of great Tours I found the Indurain years boring. But this shows me that the EPO free for all made it quite exciting as no-one knew how much magic potion the others had taken.
    Yeah, but he fell in the magic potion pot as a baby.

    I completely understand the denouncement of the likes of Indurain (and to some extent Ullrich - and certainly Wiggins) as boring because their style was to crush panache with power: but ultimately, that’s what every champion does by default because they are repeatedly the best in a given era (apart from anything else, the magic potion queered the pitch because the diddy climbers were doing amazing TTs and the burly TTers were climbing like angels...). Quintana won with panache last week: but the “panache” lasted for the 8 seconds for everyone to realise he was on another level. The rest of the climb was about power. It’s very much up to the race organisers/course designers to shake the champs out of the tree by coming up with challenging routes; but I’m not sure they always realised that...
    I get that, but there is something a lot more exciting about putting your rivals to sword in a road race vs in a time trial....
    _
  • bobmcstuff
    bobmcstuff Posts: 11,435
    https://cyclingtips.com/2020/03/choose-your-own-adventure-milan-san-remo/
  • takethehighroad
    takethehighroad Posts: 6,820
    https://youtube.com/watch?v=j6J-c8qPgtk

    David Duffield showing in the 2007 Paris Roubaix why he is the GOAT commentator
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